Houstonag said:
That is not my understanding. Tesla and Space X have received government subsidies. How it shows up in your price I do not know but again I have read they do get a subsidy.
Hope the lines don't look like thisTeslag said:
Brownsville to Fort Worth can be done with one single charge stop at Buccees.
MaxPower said:
EV's should have to be successful without subsidies just like oil and gas, am I right?
Look at the scale.Teslag said:nortex97 said:I realize a lot of EV owners/drivers don't care, but I don't want to picture/consider the human and environmental, in addition to economic damage my vehicle decision would make, were I such an individual.BigRobSA said:nortex97 said:Likewise, I'd prefer not to feel guilty about the poor slaves (often children) working to make my vehicle.Houstonag said:
EVs are not for me. The overall economics, ride, power, luxury, ac performance and true impact to the country is something I cannot support. EVs are a fraud due the subsidy and true impact.
Why would you feel guilty?
They have a job. You can't put US ethos on third world nations. In a lot of places it's that, sex trade, or starvation.
I don't think slavery is something to dismiss as 'well, that's just too bad.'
So you'll ditch your smartphone and cordless tools? And laptop? You're a better man than I am.
But again, you're welcome not to care, as you have typed out so many times. Just as you didn't care about any doubts about the efficacy of the covid vaccines for so long. I'm not going to debate you again on it all. Something something about "arguing with an…they will wear you down and then beat you with experience."Quote:
By 2030, EVs will need 2,700 GWh worth of lithium-ion batteries a year. For perspective, that's equivalent to 225 billion iPhone 11 batteriesand 13X more battery power than we use today.
Now, lithium batteries are made of a number of materials and chemical compounds. And their composition varies based on technology. I'm not a chemist, but I can tell you one thing: no lithium-ion battery can be made, well, without lithium.
It's the lightest metal on earth and the key component of today's rechargeable batteries. And obviously, as demand for batteries grows, so will demand for lithium. In fact, UBS analysts estimated that the lithium market will grow 8X by 2030.
Problem is, where will we get all this lithium?
akm91 said:Hope the lines don't look like thisTeslag said:
Brownsville to Fort Worth can be done with one single charge stop at Buccees.
Teslag said:akm91 said:Hope the lines don't look like thisTeslag said:
Brownsville to Fort Worth can be done with one single charge stop at Buccees.
They don't. I've never had to wait to charger. Ever. The Tesla navigation also shows stall availability in real time. With 15 to 20 minute charges you simply aren't there very long.
Teslag said:
Ah, so slavery is okay with you as long as it's a little bit of slavery.
Teslag said:
A quick check of my Tesla app shows me that as of right now, in the DFW area of over 5 million people every single Tesla supercharger location has available stalls.
Hint; you'll spend a lot of time waiting around/going out of your way on a cross-country trip in a BEV. And when the brownouts/grid is in distress…it will just be getting worse. Also, you'll need a bunch of apps, and may need to make sure they find plugs that work for your BEV.akm91 said:Hope the lines don't look like thisTeslag said:
Brownsville to Fort Worth can be done with one single charge stop at Buccees.
nortex97 said:
LOL, more biased anecdotes do not a compelling argument make.
I'll trust the journalists, and my judgment is pretty solid, as I've never, ever voted for a Democrat.
aggiehawg said:
Now, tell me why I am wrong.
jagvocate said:aggiehawg said:
Now, tell me why I am wrong.
We'll be out of oil for citizens in 20 years
In all seriousness, what's the furthest that you have personally driven on a single charge?Teslag said:
Brownsville to Fort Worth can be done with one single charge stop at Buccees.
I'll take a taxpayer friendly government.Rockdoc said:jagvocate said:aggiehawg said:
Now, tell me why I am wrong.
We'll be out of oil for citizens in 20 years
We have a hundred years of oil supply. Just need an oil friendly government.
and how many EV's are there in Dallas competing for those stalls? Get back to us when 10% of the vehicles on the road are electric.Teslag said:
A quick check of my Tesla app shows me that as of right now, in the DFW area of over 5 million people every single Tesla supercharger location has available stalls.
HollywoodBQ said:In all seriousness, what's the furthest that you have personally driven on a single charge?Teslag said:
Brownsville to Fort Worth can be done with one single charge stop at Buccees.
And under what conditions with respect to traffic and weather?
Because out here in SoCal, Vegas is 275 miles away and requires a charging stop in a Tesla.
DadHammer said:
If electric cars were not subsidized for the rich by the poor and middle class there would be very few on the road.
I'm not giving any more of my money to China and stock option Biden appointed losers.
You think Elon is paying property tax on the new Giga Factory in Austin? It's not just federal subsidies that are a problem.Teslag said:DadHammer said:
If electric cars were not subsidized for the rich by the poor and middle class there would be very few on the road.
I'm not giving any more of my money to China and stock option Biden appointed losers.
Teslas haven't received federal tax credits for several years.Their cars are selling on their own in record numbers.
Not all subsidies are federal.Teslag said:DadHammer said:
If electric cars were not subsidized for the rich by the poor and middle class there would be very few on the road.
I'm not giving any more of my money to China and stock option Biden appointed losers.
Teslas haven't received federal tax credits for several years.Their cars are selling on their own in record numbers.
jellycheese said:You think Elon is paying property tax on the new Giga Factory in Austin? It's not just federal subsidies that are a problem.Teslag said:DadHammer said:
If electric cars were not subsidized for the rich by the poor and middle class there would be very few on the road.
I'm not giving any more of my money to China and stock option Biden appointed losers.
Teslas haven't received federal tax credits for several years.Their cars are selling on their own in record numbers.
But batteries are going to last 12 years and 200K miles now, right?Quote:
Siwinski had only had her Focus Electric for six months before the dashboard lit up with a warning message. The family took it to a shop, and then it stopped working altogether. Avery's grandpa Ray stepped in to try and find a solution.
"Turns out, this is a pretty common problem for this particular car," he said. "The Ford dealership had advised us that we could replace the battery. It would only cost $14,000."
That was already $3,000 more than the family paid for the car and the quote was just for the parts. Installation and labor costs would make the price of replacing the batteries even higher. If he didn't want to fix it, Ford Auto Nation in Pinellas County offered $500 to buy the car as-is, Ray claimed.
Through further research, he later found out that batteries weren't even available for the car. "So it didn't matter. They could cost twice as much, and we still couldn't get it," Ray said.
The family's message to people looking to buy EVs is, do your research. Like an engine, the battery pack is one of the most complex and important parts of an electric vehicle, making it hard to replace and expensive, too.
