Less than 2% of market share is hardly a dominant player.
Is this true? I've never heard that comparison.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
They're scaring you!Marcus Brutus said:Watermelon Man said:Edits are weird.halfastros81 said:
I don't think OP is wrong . I don't really believe EV's will be the dominant player for personal vehicles for at least 20 yrs if ever. Major technological changes are going to continue to be market driven rather than edict driven. The globalists hiding behind the green movement will try but they will only succeed if the tech advances and makes it a market driven change.
I think the OP is wrong. EVs are a dominant player for personal vehicles today, and their market share is growing. The tech advances will follow investment, which is why government incentives are working to get us there. The reason ICE vehicles don't face the obstacles that EV does is the market forces favor ICE. When the market forces favor the EV, nobody is going to want to maintain their own heat engine.
That's some really dumb *****
EVs are dominant players?
This is certainly anecdotal but my cousin who has the plug in Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid I just ordered lives in an expensive state, Maryland. Takes two hours to charge it, and it raised their utility bill by about $40 a monthScud Runner said:Is this true? I've never heard that comparison.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
Our AH-HAH moment was watching a couple in West Yellowstone sitting in their tesla reading books while waiting to recharge. Great way to spend valuable vacation time! We got in our rented expedition and were on our way while they recharged.baseballaficionado said:
We were at an HEB in Hutto the other day, getting gas. They have the Tesla charging stations close to the toll road. As we pull out, my wife was asking me what they do while they're waiting? I told her to look at the drivers. They are on laptops, sleeping, etc.
Outside of being anti climate, they are a huge burden on the owner. You can keep that ****, even as much as Elon has grown on me.
10 years 100k warranty on the battery, I don't keep vehicles that long so won't be an issuemccjames said:
Now tell me the cost to replace batteries and what is their lifespan?
Nothing but BS.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
MapGuy said:10 years 100k warranty on the battery, I don't keep vehicles that long so won't be an issuemccjames said:
Now tell me the cost to replace batteries and what is their lifespan?
The battery capacity and performance on the vehicle I just ordered is guaranteed for 10 years or 100k, so far as resale or trade in, this may sound uppity, but that isn't factoring into my decision. We are getting $6,500 trade in on the ICE Civic, plus the $7,500 tax credit, makes a vehicle I may not have spent the money on originally seem like a better deal for the reason I listed earlier in the thread. The trade in value and resale will be more than offset by 85 mpg during the lifetime of the vehicle,while we own itMarcus Brutus said:MapGuy said:10 years 100k warranty on the battery, I don't keep vehicles that long so won't be an issuemccjames said:
Now tell me the cost to replace batteries and what is their lifespan?
But if the battery capacity dramatically drops and the expected lifetime is about 10 years, you will trade or resale for a whole lot less than an ICE vehicle.
Let's see. If you drive 100 miles per day at 20 MPG, that's 5 gallons per day. At $3.50 per gallon, that's $17.50 per day or $525 per month. You pay over $500/month for electricity for your home?halfastros81 said:
I checked the comparison between electrical consumption of a Tesla 3 vs a 2000 sq ft home. Assuming you drive 100 miles a day it's 34 kw-hrs versus average consumption for a 2000 sq ft home is 38 kWh. Pretty close.
The charger isn't 100% efficient so it's actually closer than that . Does not seem like a ridiculous claim .
Maybe the 100 miles per day is long, I dunno. Probably is now that I think about it as that would be 36,500 miles per yr. If you consider 2 Tesla 3's tho ?
MapGuy said:The battery capacity and performance on the vehicle I just ordered is guaranteed for 10 years or 100k, so far as resale or trade in, this may sound uppity, but that isn't factoring into my decision. We are getting $6,500 trade in on the ICE Civic, plus the $7,500 tax credit, makes a vehicle I may not have spent the money on originally seem like a better deal for the reason I listed earlier in the thread. The trade in value and resale will be more than offset by 85 mpg during the lifetime of the vehicle,while we own itMarcus Brutus said:MapGuy said:10 years 100k warranty on the battery, I don't keep vehicles that long so won't be an issuemccjames said:
Now tell me the cost to replace batteries and what is their lifespan?
But if the battery capacity dramatically drops and the expected lifetime is about 10 years, you will trade or resale for a whole lot less than an ICE vehicle.
That's $5k I save and can invest and accrue interest on. And I'm not at $4 a gallon but due to the visitation requirements I previously mentioned for foster kids am way over 15k miles a year. Plus my utilities in Missouri are far less than my cousin in Maryland that commutes to Baltimore daily that says his power bill increase was minusculeMarcus Brutus said:MapGuy said:The battery capacity and performance on the vehicle I just ordered is guaranteed for 10 years or 100k, so far as resale or trade in, this may sound uppity, but that isn't factoring into my decision. We are getting $6,500 trade in on the ICE Civic, plus the $7,500 tax credit, makes a vehicle I may not have spent the money on originally seem like a better deal for the reason I listed earlier in the thread. The trade in value and resale will be more than offset by 85 mpg during the lifetime of the vehicle,while we own itMarcus Brutus said:MapGuy said:10 years 100k warranty on the battery, I don't keep vehicles that long so won't be an issuemccjames said:
Now tell me the cost to replace batteries and what is their lifespan?
But if the battery capacity dramatically drops and the expected lifetime is about 10 years, you will trade or resale for a whole lot less than an ICE vehicle.
Probably not. I did some rough arithmetic. At $4/gl, and 15k miles per year, plus the increased electricity cost, you will probably save around $5k over 4 years. You can take a $5k reduction in resale to make it a wash, which doesn't seem unreasonable. If so, that means you saved nothing with increased MPG by driving an EV.
Knew someone would call BS, but if you charge a EV for 30 min at a rate of 75 kW (which is half the rate of a 150 kW supercharger) you have consumed 37.5 kWh. My own house averages between 30 to 40 kWh daily. Do not need sources when you can do your own math.Watermelon Man said:Nothing but BS.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
We need significant electrical infrastructure improvements regardless. Just the quip that the typical 2000sf house consumes less than a Telsa3 shows that your information is outdated. The average Texas 2000sf house uses more that a Telsa3 charger. Maybe you should review your info sources.
And you are ignoring the fact vehicles have the ability recharge the battery while not plugged intk for tu juan said:Knew someone would call BS, but if you charge a EV for 30 min at a rate of 75 kW (which is half the rate of a 150 kW supercharger) you have consumed 37.5 kWh. My own house averages between 30 to 40 kWh daily. Do not need sources when you can do your own math.Watermelon Man said:Nothing but BS.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
We need significant electrical infrastructure improvements regardless. Just the quip that the typical 2000sf house consumes less than a Telsa3 shows that your information is outdated. The average Texas 2000sf house uses more that a Telsa3 charger. Maybe you should review your info sources.
In Candyland? Good luck regen braking to a 80% or full charge. Maybe if you drive down Mt EverestMapGuy said:And you are ignoring the fact vehicles have the ability recharge the battery while not plugged intk for tu juan said:Knew someone would call BS, but if you charge a EV for 30 min at a rate of 75 kW (which is half the rate of a 150 kW supercharger) you have consumed 37.5 kWh. My own house averages between 30 to 40 kWh daily. Do not need sources when you can do your own math.Watermelon Man said:Nothing but BS.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
We need significant electrical infrastructure improvements regardless. Just the quip that the typical 2000sf house consumes less than a Telsa3 shows that your information is outdated. The average Texas 2000sf house uses more that a Telsa3 charger. Maybe you should review your info sources.
I do too, growing up a car guy and tech geek puts this right at a crossroad for me.JSKolache said:
I LOVE THESE THREADS
My favorite part is the child slave labor to get the materialsGAC06 said:
Something like a Tesla outperforms most cars on the road as far as speed and acceleration. They are very quiet. More storage space. You would never need to stop at a gas station again. The car charges at home and is ready every day. You save money on gas, especially now when gas is high. There are theoretical advantages as far as upkeep and maintenance since there are far less moving parts, plus less consumables like oil, oil filter, air filter, fluids.
I think a modern Monroney sticker should be required for all BEV's, listing the total quantity of raw materials used/required to construct the battery, an arial view of the 3 primary strip mines with the location of each, which city in China the materials were refined in, the labor rate paid to workers in said facilities, and the estimated battery replacement cost, inclusive of labor.baron_von_awesome said:My favorite part is the child slave labor to get the materialsGAC06 said:
Something like a Tesla outperforms most cars on the road as far as speed and acceleration. They are very quiet. More storage space. You would never need to stop at a gas station again. The car charges at home and is ready every day. You save money on gas, especially now when gas is high. There are theoretical advantages as far as upkeep and maintenance since there are far less moving parts, plus less consumables like oil, oil filter, air filter, fluids.
When you forget variables you might want to let other people do the math, because you're not good at it. The Tesla Model 3 gets 4 miles per kWh. Are you in the habit of driving 150 miles a day (37.5 x 4= 150)? Is your entire house in the habit of doing that? 150x365=54,750 miles a year. That would require 4.5 people to be driving the national average for a driver (12,000x4.5=54,000). The typical household doesn't even have 4.5 people in it (2.6<4.5).tk for tu juan said:Knew someone would call BS, but if you charge a EV for 30 min at a rate of 75 kW (which is half the rate of a 150 kW supercharger) you have consumed 37.5 kWh. My own house averages between 30 to 40 kWh daily. Do not need sources when you can do your own math.Watermelon Man said:Nothing but BS.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
We need significant electrical infrastructure improvements regardless. Just the quip that the typical 2000sf house consumes less than a Telsa3 shows that your information is outdated. The average Texas 2000sf house uses more that a Telsa3 charger. Maybe you should review your info sources.
I didn't say the EV was getting charged everyday, just that is equivalent to adding a house to the grid when it is charging. Nice rant and insult, but stepping back and realizing what I said could have saved you the time.hph6203 said:When you forget variables you might want to let other people do the math, because you're not good at it. The Tesla Model 3 gets 4 miles per kWh. Are you in the habit of driving 150 miles a day (37.5 x 4= 150)? Is your entire house in the habit of doing that? 150x365=54,750 miles a year. That would require 4.5 people to be driving the national average for a driver (12,000x4.5=54,000). The typical household doesn't even have 4.5 people in it (2.6<4.5).tk for tu juan said:Knew someone would call BS, but if you charge a EV for 30 min at a rate of 75 kW (which is half the rate of a 150 kW supercharger) you have consumed 37.5 kWh. My own house averages between 30 to 40 kWh daily. Do not need sources when you can do your own math.Watermelon Man said:Nothing but BS.tk for tu juan said:
Still need significant electrical infrastructure improvements to meet the future demands. Every EV is the equivalent of adding another house to the electrical grid. Charging a Model3 to 80% on a Tesla Supercharger consumes the same amount of energy that a 2,000sf house typically uses in a day
We need significant electrical infrastructure improvements regardless. Just the quip that the typical 2000sf house consumes less than a Telsa3 shows that your information is outdated. The average Texas 2000sf house uses more that a Telsa3 charger. Maybe you should review your info sources.
If by some crazy happenstance you are driving that much, you should consider going electric, it would save you around $5,000/yr.
54,000 miles/30mpg = 1800 gallons x 4.00/gal = 7200.
54,000/4 miles/kWh = 13,500 kWh x .18 kWh = $2,430.
People are saying you're wrong, because you are. I did all the math for you so you don't get confused.