hopeandrealchange said:
My question for the EV fans is where is the energy going to come from?
If you are going to remove gasoline and diesel from the energy supply what do you propose to replace it?
Seems like I remember a winter storm not long ago that overwhelmed our electrical systems. The infrastructure to support all vehicles being EV is decades away.
nortex97 said:
Do you care about the planet and slavery?Some have asked how much fuel this loader burns per hour. The Cat 994 has a 3516 engine, 16 cylinder, The tankage is approx. 1000 gals and it burns about 150 gallons per hour or 1800 gals. per 12 hour shift.
— John Lee Pettimore (@JohnLeePettim13) March 31, 2022
You started with feelings and ended with horrible analyses lacking any depth.Medaggie said:
I sometime believe people hate EVs is because they are protecting the fossil industry. I irrational hatred is confusing to me. I love meat, would never be a vegetarian, but I would never argue with a vegetarian why they are wrong because there is no right or wrong.
I have a gas car and a Tesla that gets about 260 miles on typical highway real driving. I had a BMW X5 before this and I would say the comparison between both cars when it comes to size, seating, cargo space is similar.
Typical 365 dy/yr we take a 5 dy ski trip to colorado and 1 wk trip to Destin. So 3.5% of the year, a gas car is by far more logical.
I drive from Austin to SA or BCS about 3 times a month and never need to charge for a round trip. I have a 60AMP outlet that cost $1K installed in the garage and plug it in every time I get out of the car. Its no different than turning off my gas car when I park, it just becomes instinctual.
So for 97% of the year, here is the non subjective comparisons.
1. Up front cost - Both cars costs 60K without any rebates - PUSH
2. I drive 30K/yr and save about 4K/yr with the current gas prices, and $2500/yr pre Ukraine - TESLA
3. Maintenance - I have zero maintenance vs yearly BMW would have been $200 for oil change and about 1500 for an upcoming brake bad replacement. - TESLA
4. Convenience - After 45K miles, I have stopped to super charge 3 times for a total of 40 minutes. Twice b/c I forgot to charge overnight. BMW would have needed 150 fill ups at 7 min per stop comes out to 17hrs. This is not even counting taking the car to get oil changed/brake pads - TESLA
5. Tesla Battery has lost 20mi range in 45K miles. From my research, I doubt I would need a battery change (about 7-10K) for atleast 150K+ miles. My BMWs all have had to have major engine repair/timing belts that by 100K typically costs me 5-7K. So I would give this a push so even if at worse case scenerio and I need a battery replacement, cost about the same. - PUSH
So for my family and most people I know who do not do regular long hauls, the Tesla is a much cheaper ride, more convenient .
And from a subjective standpoint, Tesla kills my BMWs in terms of tech, ride quality, fun factor. I don't really care to discuss what is more environmentally friendly, sustainable, etc b/c it just goes in circles.
Refute the subjective points, but the objective ones are hard to argue.
94AGBQ said:
I'll buy an electric car when I can get 500 miles on a full charge and it only takes 10 minutes to charge completely at a station when I'm on the road.
Came close last week. Drove 825 miles from Atlanta, GA to College Station in 12.5 hours. Stopped only a few times -- for mere minutes -- to gas up, grab coffee, and relieve the bladder.GAC06 said:94AGBQ said:
I'll buy an electric car when I can get 500 miles on a full charge and it only takes 10 minutes to charge completely at a station when I'm on the road.
My car could do maybe 375 miles without stopping (all highway). How many times have you travelled 500 miles, stopped for ten minutes, then travelled another 500 miles?
aggiehawg said:
The reason why is The Hubs has a hard time keeping the lake house golf cart charged, all of his tools charged.
We have multiple 200 amps drops on the ranch. But keeping that many things charged even on a trickle cell does not work forever. They die.
Until battery tech makes a HUGE advancement, EVs are futile.
Now, tell me why I am wrong.
'03ag said:This response is full of projection. I'm staunchly against EV subsidies. That doesn't change the fact that this thread is full of people making use case arguments for no reason.DannyDuberstein said:'03ag said:
These threads are are just an excuse to say "my use case is the only one worth considering"
This is a ridiculous take. No one is talking about putting restrictions on EV. We just want options vs the government picking and choosing winners by sending credits to one while burdening or banning another. We're smart enough to realize there are a wide variety of use cases and want to keep all options on the table
it's called "modern monetary theory" where because the leftists are so advanced in intellect now, actual inflation does not exist when printing trillions of dollars.BuddysBud said:Gunny456 said:
And just exactly how much of our tax dollars has been funneled to the auto makers for the sudden push on EV's? Anybody believing that is not happening is uneducated. Just look at the solar and wind power subsidies that we the tax payer pay for b
Slight but relevant derailment:
Our government stopped spending tax dollars a long time ago. Now they just create money out of nothing to pay for pet projects like EVs, normal government services, and interest on the imaginary funds that they keep spending. It's almost as if our political "leaders" believe that uncontrolled spending on worthless projects manically creates more more money.
EVs might be the best vehicles in the future. If we would let the market work we likely would have better EVs or a far superior technology for transportation that is affordable, comfortable, clean, and practical.
Every time the government forces one technology over another we end up getting something worse than we would have had from free market development.
in the 40s thousand range minimumaTmAg said:
How much is the cheapest Tesla nowadays?
AggieDruggist89 said:
Plug in hybrid is the way to go. Bought a Prius Prime for son a month ago. School is 8 miles away. We have solar panels.
We filled up the prius once and it's still at 3/4 tank.
It's not my fault you haven't read the whole thread. There are people discussing the environmental impact of EVs and the merits of various policies. Those are reasonable arguments to make.DannyDuberstein said:'03ag said:This response is full of projection. I'm staunchly against EV subsidies. That doesn't change the fact that this thread is full of people making use case arguments for no reason.DannyDuberstein said:'03ag said:
These threads are are just an excuse to say "my use case is the only one worth considering"
This is a ridiculous take. No one is talking about putting restrictions on EV. We just want options vs the government picking and choosing winners by sending credits to one while burdening or banning another. We're smart enough to realize there are a wide variety of use cases and want to keep all options on the table
You may want to educate yourself about the restrictions being put on gas vehicles, including outright bans on the way. These people are making a use case not to. You are biching just to bich, lol millenials
MapGuy said:
How about this, buy what is most cost effective and agreeable with your wallet.