***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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That is a juicy target
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US signs ten-year bilateral security agreement with Ukraine, much of which will be funded by using profits/interest from the $300B in frozen Russian money.

"The fact sheet lays out six objectives, from building and maintaining a "credible defense and deterrence capability" to helping to "sustain its fight over the long term" to accelerating "Ukraine's Euro-Atlantic integration." As the latter point suggests, the White House explicitly linked the bilateral arrangement with Ukraine's likely future accession to NATO, calling today's agreement a "key part of Ukraine's bridge" to the alliance."

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AgLA06 said:

Nothing like your "peace deal" requiring the country you illegally invaded to withdraw troops from areas you can't take or currently control. Or from joining NATO to ensure the peace deal is enforced and not just another scam like like Putin has done in multiple countries since coming into power.

And there's a large number of naive people that still somehow thing you can deal with this lunatic in good faith.
It's a classic Soviet/Russian negotiating tactic.

Initiate some sort of nefarious activity and then demand concessions to stop.

"Pay us to cease destroying your country."

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New satellite images show Russian ships fleeing Black Sea ports.

"The Biden administration's decision to provide ATACMS missiles that can hit ports in Crimea will deepen Ukraine's ability to hold the Russian fleet in check. But observers have marveled at what Ukrainian forces have achieved with homegrown weapons."

GONE
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Ukraine strikes Morosovsk airfield again, 150 miles into Russia.

"The operation was launched from inside Ukraine, Budanov said, adding that least 70, and maybe more Ukrainian Dragon and Splash drones struck the airfield."

SU-34 BASE
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74OA said:

Ukraine strikes Morosovsk airfield again, 150 miles into Russia.

"The operation was launched from inside Ukraine, Budanov said, adding that least 70, and maybe more Ukrainian Dragon and Splash drones struck the airfield."

SU-34 BASE
Hard to tell but the second photo those burn spots on the tarmac are way too similar in arrangement. I would bet there is at least 3-5 aircraft lost in that photo plus the two in the fabric hanger.

each russian base now has a whole clean up crew dedicated to beating the next sat flyover so the base commander can lie to his superiors and or putin about total losses and they are getting pretty good......LMAO.
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Russia not giving up on keeping the Kerch bridge open. Investing in major new defensive barriers.

DEFENSE

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Mandatory evacuation announced at Sokhani, Novi Vyrka, Myrlohy, Hurynivka, Bublikove, Hyrine, Kandybine, Oleksenka villages of Bilopilla community of Sumy region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/14-june-mandatory-evacuation-announced-at-sokhani-novi-vyrka

Reported 13 hours ago.
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https://t.me/DeepStateUA/19702

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In recent days, the enemy has intensified the pressure on Pokrovsk and Kurakhove

On June 13, the Katsapas attacked Georgiyivka with the forces of the 28th OVT. The enemy even managed to reach Maksimilianivka, but lost half of the equipment and retreated. The attack was repulsed by the forces of the 46th OAeMBr . And on June 12, there was another column of 16 OVT already at the position of 68 OEBr , the attack was also repulsed.
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Russians have apparently been trapped in a plant in Northern Vovchansk for a few days.

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In Volchansk, the situation at the Aggregate Plant is still the same, some of our guys remain cut off on its territory, and it's impossible to get through to them.
https://t.me/motopatriot/23947

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Waffledynamics said:

Russians have apparently been trapped in a plant in Northern Vovchansk for a few days.

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In Volchansk, the situation at the Aggregate Plant is still the same, some of our guys remain cut off on its territory, and it's impossible to get through to them.
https://t.me/motopatriot/23947



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Ukraine and Russia propose dueling peace plans that are worlds apart, plus other frontline updates.

Today's SITREP.

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Nice review of the considerable recent good news for Ukraine.

"Overall, Western allies are finally making good on their declaration to support Ukraine for "as long as it takes," handing Kyiv substantial economic assistance, weapons, security deals and command freedom on the battlefield. Ukraine's prospects look better now than they have since early 2023prospects that will likely get a further boost at this week's Ukraine Recovery Conference in Berlin."

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We've heard Putin's "peace" demands. Here's a look at Zelensky's proposals at this weekend's conference.

"The summit stems from a push by Ukraine to build wider support for "a path towards a just and lasting peace in Ukraine". Specifically, it wants to build consensus around some basic principles for a future settlement."

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This and seeing so many videos of T-62's destroyed by drones .... begs the question given current battlefied conditions e.g drones, mines, etc .....: is a T-62 almost as useful as a modern MBT?

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benchmark said:

This and seeing so many videos of T-62's destroyed by drones .... begs the question given current battlefied conditions e.g drones, mines, etc .....: is a T-62 almost as useful as a modern MBT?




Modern Russian MBT or modern Western MBT?

I suppose....if you can absorb a 10+ to 1 loss ratio along with about 100% of your crews.

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This and seeing so many videos of T-62's destroyed by drones .... begs the question given current battlefied conditions e.g drones, mines, etc .....: is a T-62 almost as useful as a modern MBT?




No. Obviously not. Their options are T-62s or no tanks at all. Just more proof that Russia's capacity to wage this war is eroding rapidly.
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They aren't just pulling them out of storage and throwong them straight into battle. They've spent a lot of time retrofitting them with more modern optics and add-on armor.
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AtticusMatlock said:

They aren't just pulling them out of storage and throwong them straight into battle. They've spent a lot of time retrofitting them with more modern optics and add-on armor.


I'm not sure I believe that. I mean they're literally lashing logs on the damn things to try and slow down their destruction.
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I don't believe it either. The T-62 still has an obsolete 115mm gun for which the production line for ammo ceased decades ago. It also has a four man crew with a manual loading gun. The Russians had not trained or employed tank crews with a manual loader since the fall of the Soviet Union.

My bet is that these T-62s being sent to Ukraine have had little more than an engine tune-up. What kind of improved optics are they going to fit on a turret that isn't stabilized to shoot on the move? If these T-62s were significantly upgraded in capabilities, the world would know it because the Russians would be bragging about it.
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Ulysses90 said:

I don't believe it either. The T-62 still has an obsolete 115mm gun for which the production line for ammo ceased decades ago. It also has a four man crew with a manual loading gun. The Russians had not trained or employed tank crews with a manual loader since the fall of the Soviet Union.

My bet is that these T-62s being sent to Ukraine have had little more than an engine tune-up. What kind of improved optics are they going to fit on a turret that isn't stabilized to shoot on the move? If these T-62s were significantly upgraded in capabilities, the world would know it because the Russians would be bragging about it.


If anything they were looking for a working optic that hadn't been sold on the black market to fund some colonel's mistress.
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More antiques pulled out of long-term storage.

AgLA06
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Almost makes me wonder if this last offensive was this conflict's battle of the bulge.
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I hope they don't start mounted Calvary charges! It wouldn't be fair to the horses.
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74OA said:

More antiques pulled out of long-term storage.




That video of the BRDMs reminded me of the Soviet tactics deacribed by a Ukrainian student officer in my FAOAC class at Ft Sill in 1997.

The class was developing a COA for an attack on a prepared defensive position. The enemy fortifications were not accurately located. Igor couldn't understand why the US officers seemed so concerned about the chances of survival of the ground reconnaissance element. He insisted that the Battle Guard was expected to be destroyed but that their destruction would reveal the defense positions. We weren't familiar with the concept of the "Battle Guard". He explained that in the Red Army, the soldiers selected for the Battle Guard element in the attack were decorated for valor before they were sent forward with guns pointed at their back, lest they lose courage. That's just the way they do it over there.
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Gordo14 said:

benchmark said:

This and seeing so many videos of T-62's destroyed by drones .... begs the question given current battlefied conditions e.g drones, mines, etc .....: is a T-62 almost as useful as a modern MBT?




No. Obviously not. Their options are T-62s or no tanks at all. Just more proof that Russia's capacity to wage this war is eroding rapidly.


The real question is are these T62s whats shown on putins spreadsheet or are they T90s?

On Andrews spreadsheet he could just combine a bunch and call them iron coffins.
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The Mongolian troops on the first base I was on in Iraq had old BRDM-2s that they used to putter (and I mean putter) around the base (they manned the guard towers).

It seemed like it was powered by a not particularly well maintained 60s beetle engine; it would backfire all the time and routinely breakdown, stranding the troops out on the perimeter of the base, where they would beat on it with wrenches to get it working well enough to limp back to their encampment area.

While I realize they were likely some of the first models that came off the assembly line in the early 60s, handed down through innumerable Warsaw Pact countries before it ended up in Mongolia, I can't imagine that the Russians using these things is a good sign for them.
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Gordo14 said:

benchmark said:

This and seeing so many videos of T-62's destroyed by drones .... begs the question given current battlefied conditions e.g drones, mines, etc .....: is a T-62 almost as useful as a modern MBT?




No. Obviously not. Their options are T-62s or no tanks at all. Just more proof that Russia's capacity to wage this war is eroding rapidly.
Hopefully, this will make the folks saying that Russia's military is just getting stronger due to the war wake up and smell the coffee...
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pagerman @ work said:

The Mongolian troops on the first base I was on in Iraq had old BRDM-2s that they used to putter (and I mean putter) around the base (they manned the guard towers).

It seemed like it was powered by a not particularly well maintained 60s beetle engine; it would backfire all the time and routinely breakdown, stranding the troops out on the perimeter of the base, where they would beat on it with wrenches to get it working well enough to limp back to their encampment area.

While I realize they were likely some of the first models that came off the assembly line in the early 60s, handed down through innumerable Warsaw Pact countries before it ended up in Mongolia, I can't imagine that the Russians using these things is a good sign for them.
Just for some levity:



Screw you Mongolians!
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Ulysses90 said:

74OA said:

More antiques pulled out of long-term storage.
........ He insisted that the Battle Guard was expected to be destroyed but that their destruction would reveal the defense positions. We weren't familiar with the concept of the "Battle Guard". He explained that in the Red Army, the soldiers selected for the Battle Guard element in the attack were decorated for valor before they were sent forward with guns pointed at their back, lest they lose courage. That's just the way they do it over there.
Maybe that's why we're seeing so many antiques in their armored assualt groups. Not because their armor is depleted - but because these are doomed "Battle Guard" groups designed to probe for weaknesses (e.g. mine fields), identify defenses, and occasionaly make a breakthrough. Russian SOP.
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Notice the troops had left the side armored door open? I guess they figured in having to hope for the opportunity of a fast escape as a hit was inevitable and the armor useless.
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I've seen both in Russia: barely upgraded T-62 with a lot of field modifications by the individual units that they were assigned to, and also some models with considerable modernization to include ER additions, an engineered cope cage, and a relatively modern optic setup.

They still have the 115 which only has time degraded ammunition available. It fires, but with unpredictable velocity, so accuracy will be bad except at the shortest of ranges but they're basically using them as assault guns and mine finders and mobile targets to draw fire away from infantry vehicles. They aren't fighting against opposing armor. They never get the chance.
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