Looks like the engine just caught on fire and fell off. I think you may be right. Just a bunch of vodka infused Russian maintenance mechanics probably did it in.

Everyone in the American and Israeli militaries needs to watch this and study it:

Russian aviation is slowly braking down as western supplies spare parts are no longer available directly and must be laundered through third party agents, and maintenance resources are dedicated to the active military operation. You can bet IL-76 resources are being directed to get their A-50 aircraft strength back up after losing two units. They have more but many were not operational, and share most airframe parts with the IL-76 from which they are derived. Mix that with combat operations intensity on the other transport resources and maintenance falls behind.

Their civil aviation is having many problems as well.

docb said:

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Looks like the engine just caught on fire and fell off. I think you may be right. Just a bunch of vodka infused Russian maintenance mechanics probably did it in.

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I feel like there has to be something more than a problem with just the one engine. Either other systems issues or some level of pilot error or incompetence had to have been at play; they should have been able to shut down engine #4 and follow their checklist from there.

docb said:

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Looks like the engine just caught on fire and fell off. I think you may be right. Just a bunch of vodka infused Russian maintenance mechanics probably did it in.

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where are you seeing this video?

They need to take out railroad bridges. All of them. Preferably while a train engine is on the tracks.

Then ammo and fuel depos.

saw it on reddit. let me see if I can dig it up.
https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/1bcukn4/the_moment_one_of_the_engines_of_il76_falls_off/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Interesting, an engine shouldn't come off of its pylon even if it has a fire. Nor should the pylon separate from the wing. The only thing I can figure is that if it was an engine / engine + pylon, it would be sabotage of some sort with other issues at play as well

Or that the engine fire compromised one of the flight controls immediately behind it, which separated and was seen falling off in the video. That leads to hydraulic problems, system can't / wasn't isolated, causing flight to become uncontrollable.

My opinion is worth the price paid.

On top of everything else, there is also immense ecological damage in Ukraine.

"In the east, in ruined villages, abandoned dogs are hunting in packs, killing foxes and boars and spreading diseases they catch from them."

LOST

The Fife said:

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Interesting, an engine shouldn't come off of its pylon even if it has a fire. Nor should the pylon separate from the wing. The only thing I can figure is that if it was an engine / engine + pylon, it would be sabotage of some sort with other issues at play as well

Or that the engine fire compromised one of the flight controls immediately behind it, which separated and was seen falling off in the video. That leads to hydraulic problems, system can't / wasn't isolated, causing flight to become uncontrollable.

My opinion is worth the price paid.

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Nevermind. Finally got video to work. My guess is sabotage, wing control damage, and pilot error.

Engine issues after takeoff are where the plane is most vulnerable. It's why we practice them every time we go to training.

If Russian training is like the rest of the systems there, they may not.

Jetpilot86 said:

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Engine issues after takeoff are where the plane is most vulnerable. It's why we practice them every time we go to training.

If Russian training is like the rest of the systems there, they may not.

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Unless accompanied by some sort of explosion, losing one of four should not have been catastrophic, right?

Takeoff = greatest power needs, greatest flight weight, heaviest loadings, highest throttle settings. If there's going to be a big failure, takeoff is where it would be the biggest problem.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Takeoff = greatest power needs, greatest flight weight, heaviest loadings, highest throttle settings. If there's going to be a big failure, takeoff is where it would be the biggest problem.

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Yes, but I'm not aware of any four-engine aircraft unable to go around after losing only one engine. I know Russian aircraft often aren't designed with the same safety margins as are ours, but it still begs the question.....

More detail on that grounded ship being used as a Russian base and other updates from the front.

Today's SITREP.

It's not like they have to meet FAA Part 25, but Russia has to have an equivalent requirement regarding engine out situations. That's what leads me to believe there were other issues unrelated to the engine failure at play. Flight control(s) damaged, missing, or falling off, or some sort of hydraulic problems associated with that.

Or maybe confusion or just plain poor airmanship. In any case I don't think a single engine failure out of four would take down an IL-76 on its own. My instinct says there were other things going on including possible sabotage.

Yeah, that is a pretty typical design safety margin. The failure might not have started at the engine.

does anyone believe that Putin gets a daily SITREP as to his losses..

or that he has no idea what is really going on with his military?

The Fife said:

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It's not like they have to meet FAA Part 25, but Russia has to have an equivalent requirement regarding engine out situations. That's what leads me to believe there were other issues unrelated to the engine failure at play. Flight control(s) damaged, missing, or falling off, or some sort of hydraulic problems associated with that.

Or maybe confusion or just plain poor airmanship. In any case I don't think a single engine failure out of four would take down an IL-76 on its own. My instinct says there were other things going on including possible sabotage.

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Agree. A handful of 737's have completely lost engines mid-flight or on takeoff because of improper maintenance procedures and been ok because of great pilots. Mentour Pilot has done a video on at least one. Part off the issue is that the engine takes a lot of things with it because it's connected to fuel, power, etc.

The engine could have suffered a catastrophic failure that did a lot of damage we can't see, like cutting fuel and hydraulic lines or sending debris into the other engine. The engine falling off could have also ripped out all sorts of connections or lines and caused issues with the other engine on the same wing. If either of those were the case, they'd likely be underpowered and suffering severe asymmetric thrust. The engine failing or detaching could also have ripped out hydraulic lines that rendered some of the wing control surfaces inoperable.

I'm sure they would be ok with just an engine failure, but I think it's more likely they had a severely disabled aircraft.



ETA There's an amazing story about Reeve Aleutians Airways flight 8 that had something potentially similar happen. The #4 propeller detached mid-flight and passed under the plane, slicing the bottom of the fuselage. The damage pinned most of the flight controls and the throttle cables, so they were stuck at cruising power and only had minimal control of a depressurized aircraft. The crew had to basically fight the aircraft for hours to get it to Anchorage, then successfully landed after cutting the remaining engines on approach. Absolutely incredible airmanship.

Yeah, it's one thing for it to fail, or even catch fire, another to fall away and compromise the rest of the wing, potentially. Given all the other pressure Russia is under, I would not be surprised at all if maintenance is being routinely ignored.

CIA Director Burns: "It's our assessment that with supplemental assistance, Ukraine can hold its own on the front lines through 2024 and into early 2025, [and] that Ukraine can continue to exact costs against Russia. Not only with the penetration and strikes in Crimea, but also against Russia's Black Sea Fleet, continuing this success which has resulted in 15 Russian ships sunk over the course of the last six months." That could allow Ukraine to "regain the offensive initiative, he said."

FUNDING

Russian volunteers fighting for Ukraine raid into Russia again and other notes.

UPDATES

Russian man goes outside to film the battles going on in his town between the Russian Army and the Russian volunteer soldiers allied with Ukraine which crossed over this morning into Russia.

Seconds later, a Ukrainian suicide drone strikes just meters away from him. pic.twitter.com/4T8p3UkbfA

— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) March 12, 2024

Administration is really scraping the bottom of the barrel to find money for Ukraine aid.

$300M

It "should". Lots of good questions as to why not. Quality of Russian pilots among them.

I'm with her, that's impressive

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I'm with her, that's impressive

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Flames from the explosion spread forward over the Ukrainian position the Russian was firing at. Someone is cleaning out their shorts

More details on the cross border raids from Ukraine into Russia and other front line notes.

Today's SITREP.

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Search and rescue operation after Russian missile strike in Kryvyi Rih is over, final death toll: 3 person killed, about 40 wounded

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/12-march-search-and-rescue-operation-after-russian-missile

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More details on the cross border raids from Ukraine into Russia and other front line notes.

Today's SITREP.

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Russian Legion and RDK have crossed border with Russia in Kursk and Belgorod regions. Are they possibly bringing in additional voting boxes? pic.twitter.com/yrySN6gPtx

— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) March 12, 2024

I hope this is a response to the uptick of shelling of civilians in Bilopilia and a missile attack on a hospital in Sumy. The missile struck near the hospital but blew out windows

Here are losses I could identify today. https://t.co/lZLivxUud6 pic.twitter.com/EJ5vG7Lqqx

— Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) March 13, 2024

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Wtf is Ukraine putting in these drones.. Russian BMP that was harassing Ukrainian positions went fully nuclear.. pic.twitter.com/naMD3lrzYu

— Astraia Intel (@astraiaintel) March 12, 2024

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that video is old

https://www.google.com/amp/story/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/liveblog/2024/3/13/ukraine-hits-russian-oil-refinery-in-wave-of-drone-attacks
That's what Ukraine needs to do to beat a bigger adversary. Keep pounding them where it hurts financially.