***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to japantiger • 9:30a, 3/8/24
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If he got killed it would be because Putin invaded a peaceful sovereign nation in a land grab.
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10:37a, 3/8/24
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More on the Zelensky near miss and other updates from the front.

Today's SITREP.
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In reply to japantiger • 11:18a, 3/8/24
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japantiger said:
Ag with kids said:
Waffledynamics said:
Surprised this wasn't posted yet. Russia attacked Odessa and a missile hit within a couple hundred meters of Zelensky and the Greek PM.



What kind of reaction would have happened if the Russians had ended up hitting and killing Zelensky AND the Greek PM.

Zelensky is one thing...but Greece is a member of NATO and Russia would have just assassinated its leader. Would Greece feel the need to respond? Would NATO?
No. The last successful Greek attack on anything was 326 BC. He put himself in the middle of a war zone. If he got killed it would be because of stupidity.
So, if Trump were POTUS and went over there and got killed by Russia in the same manner, then the US should just say, oh well, he got killed because of stupidity. C'est la vie. And offer no military action in response?
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11:43a, 3/8/24
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12:16p, 3/8/24
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The UK will supply Ukraine with an additional 10,000 drones under a new $159 million military aid package.

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3:14p, 3/8/24
Looks like the Ukraine funding bill has officially stalled in the House
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In reply to samurai_science • 3:34p, 3/8/24
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You lost?
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In reply to TH36 • 6:58p, 3/8/24
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TH36 said:
samurai_science said:
Looks like the Ukraine funding bill has officially stalled in the House


You have any kids of age ready to fight the coming wave of aggression when everyone stands by and let's Putin get away with it?


Don't starting clogging up this thread with BS. Kindly find the door and exit.
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In reply to MaroonStain • 7:00p, 3/8/24
Ah.. excuse me. I didn't realize cheering about the bill being dead was a tactical update.
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In reply to MaroonStain • 7:54p, 3/8/24
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MaroonStain said:
TH36 said:
samurai_science said:
Looks like the Ukraine funding bill has officially stalled in the House


You have any kids of age ready to fight the coming wave of aggression when everyone stands by and let's Putin get away with it?


Don't starting clogging up this thread with BS. Kindly find the door and exit.
Just glad I don't. Border countries in NATO. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland have roughly 75,000 active military personnel, 50 helicopters, 160 MBT, 1000 artillery(mostly in Finland), 4 fighter/attack aircraft, and no navy other than coastal patrol boats and minesweepers. Looks like easy pickings.
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In reply to revvie • 7:55p, 3/8/24
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Ukraine was supposed to be easy pickings too and we see how that turned out. And your numbers are off. Finland alone had 55 F-18's, not four.
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In reply to Teslag • 8:05p, 3/8/24
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Teslag said:
Ukraine was supposed to be easy pickings too and we see how that turned out. And your numbers are off. Finland alone had 55 F-18's, not four.
I stand corrected. Went back and checked my source and see that they do have 55 aircraft. Sorry for the misinformation.
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In reply to revvie • 8:35p, 3/8/24
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revvie said:
MaroonStain said:
TH36 said:
samurai_science said:
Looks like the Ukraine funding bill has officially stalled in the House


You have any kids of age ready to fight the coming wave of aggression when everyone stands by and let's Putin get away with it?


Don't starting clogging up this thread with BS. Kindly find the door and exit.
Just glad I don't. Border countries in NATO. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Finland have roughly 75,000 active military personnel, 50 helicopters, 160 MBT, 1000 artillery(mostly in Finland), 4 fighter/attack aircraft, and no navy other than coastal patrol boats and minesweepers. Looks like easy pickings.


As noted, your numbers are off.

Russia has struggled in Ukraine against a hodgepodge of weapons and crews the have had crash courses on them. Those countries have well trained troops and the backing of the rest of NATO.

The Finns also have 64 F-35's on order.

These are not easy pickings.
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8:56a, 3/9/24
One of the more amusing autocorrects

Pretty sure he meant nuked
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In reply to Sq 17 • 9:10a, 3/9/24
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99% certain it was a typo/autocorrect when I posted, but didn't want to miss out on a previously unknown euphemism with that kind of potential
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10:28a, 3/9/24
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Here we are 2 years into a war with Russia being embarrassed and gullible people continue to discuss nukes.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 10:35a, 3/9/24
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AgLA06 said:
Here we are 2 years into a war with Russia being embarrassed and gullible people continue to discuss nukes.
Red lines.

RED. LINES.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 10:38a, 3/9/24
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China isn't Ukraine. There was never any real consideration of a Ukraine counter-offensive being an existential threat to the rus, but there really isn't a serious discussion of China NOT being such a threat.

Apples/oranges IMO
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In reply to agent-maroon • 10:47a, 3/9/24
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agent-maroon said:
China isn't Ukraine. There was never any real consideration of a Ukraine counter-offensive being an existential threat to the rus, but there really isn't a serious discussion of China NOT being such a threat.

Apples/oranges IMO


Poland and NATO say otherwise. It was never an option for those able to think for themselves.
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3:44p, 3/9/24
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Poland won't rule out NATO force in Ukraine and other notes from the front.

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6:35a, 3/10/24
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Russia using new heavyweight glide bomb.

TERROR
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3:17a, 3/11/24
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Ukraine owns the Black Sea. In addition to sinking Putin's warships, it is now forcing Russian logistics ships to reroute causing significant supply line delays.

SUPPLY
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In reply to 74OA • 4:20a, 3/11/24
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Interesting, I thought Turkey was blocking all Russian ships carrying military assets through the Bosporus Strait. That article indicates that's not always the case.
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In reply to jbeaman88 • 8:28a, 3/11/24
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jbeaman88 said:
Interesting, I thought Turkey was blocking all Russian ships carrying military assets through the Bosporus Strait. That article indicates that's not always the case.
I think they distinguish between "warships" and "ships carrying war materiel". Mostly because they don't want to get involved in boarding every ship and inspecting cargo. They won't allow war ships to pass through, but anything carrying weaponry is likely allowed to pass, especially if the Russians claim it is carrying baby formula for the children of Pskov.
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2:41p, 3/11/24
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Wait for it ... where did that ~100 ft supply boat come from?

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In reply to benchmark • 3:09p, 3/11/24
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Wait for it ... where did that ~100 ft supply boat come from?

I have never seen a turret toss at sea before. Impressive.
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4:30p, 3/11/24
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Russian rail boosted by Europe demand after Red Sea attacks.

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Demand to move goods from Asia to Europe by rail via Russia has soared since the start of the Red Sea crisis, according to logistics companies and rail operators, boosting the finances of the country's state-owned rail monopoly.

Germany's DHL said requests to transport goods on the Russian rail corridor had jumped about 40 per cent since container ships started diverting via a longer route in December. RailGate Europe said demand was up 25 to 35 per cent, while Netherlands-based Rail Bridge Cargo said cargo rail traffic via Russia this year was 31 per cent higher compared with the same time last year.

Logistics companies have looked anew at routes through Russia following the decision of most large container shipping lines to divert Asia to Europe sailings that would normally go through the Suez Canal to travel via the Cape of Good Hope. They acted after a campaign of attacks on commercial ships was launched by Yemen's Iran-backed Houthis in support of Gaza's Palestinians.

The diversions have pushed up door-to-door journey times between China and Northern Europe by seven to 10 days, to between 50 and 55 days. DHL said door-to-door journey times by rail through Russia between Chengdu in China and Duisburg in Germany were currently between 25 and 30 days.

"The requests have picked up since the beginning of the situation in the Red Sea by around 40 per cent," DHL said of customer inquiries about rail. "The overwhelming amount is going through Russia."
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In reply to txags92 • 6:52p, 3/11/24
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txags92 said:
jbeaman88 said:
Interesting, I thought Turkey was blocking all Russian ships carrying military assets through the Bosporus Strait. That article indicates that's not always the case.
I think they distinguish between "warships" and "ships carrying war materiel". Mostly because they don't want to get involved in boarding every ship and inspecting cargo. They won't allow war ships to pass through, but anything carrying weaponry is likely allowed to pass, especially if the Russians claim it is carrying baby formula for the children of Pskov.
Yeah..."warships" have a specific meaning in maritime law.

As an aside, maritime law is WACKY...I had to do some research for a paper last year that involved digging into it and it is...quite interesting to say the least.
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In reply to Ag with kids • 6:55p, 3/11/24
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As an aside, maritime law is WACKY..
Agree. Took a course in international law when I was in law school and maritime law was a section of that course.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 7:35p, 3/11/24
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aggiehawg said:
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As an aside, maritime law is WACKY..
Agree. Took a course in international law when I was in law school and maritime law was a section of that course.
When I was at the US Border Patrol Academy, the instructors repeatedly said that Immigration Law was the 2nd hardest law to learn, with Maritime Law being number 1 (this was in 1988, so tax law could have moved up the list)
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7:05a, 3/12/24
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Another IL-76 goes down

Russia IL-76 goes down in Russia

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MOSCOW, March 12 (Reuters) - Russia said one of its Ilyushin Il-76 military cargo planes crashed shortly after takeoff on Tuesday with 15 people on board due to a fire in one of its engines.
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 7:44a, 3/12/24
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P.U.T.U said:
Another IL-76 goes down

Russia IL-76 goes down in Russia

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MOSCOW, March 12 (Reuters) - Russia said one of its Ilyushin Il-76 military cargo planes crashed shortly after takeoff on Tuesday with 15 people on board due to a fire in one of its engines.
SU27 down, incursion into Russia in Kursk region, St Petersburg hit with drone/fire, and two more oil facilities on fire. Lots to follow today.
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 7:49a, 3/12/24
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P.U.T.U said:
Another IL-76 goes down

Russia IL-76 goes down in Russia

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MOSCOW, March 12 (Reuters) - Russia said one of its Ilyushin Il-76 military cargo planes crashed shortly after takeoff on Tuesday with 15 people on board due to a fire in one of its engines.
Sabotage or plain old russian incompetence and/or lack of maintenance? Would put my money on the latter, but props if it was a Uke Special Ops takedown.
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