***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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The battleship was used for another half century after it was proven obsolete. It wasn't rendered useless - it just wasn't a peer level asset anymore.

In the same way I'm saying the straights, channels, and shipping lanes have just become far more dangerous. Add USV swarms to missile advancements and carrier strike groups will park further and further away as the number and reach of threats grow.

That means longer and fewer sorties - I.e. reduced combat effect
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I wonder if the fish have taken a preference to meat with a hint of vodka. There has been a lot to feast on in this conflict.
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Can Russia really sustain losing 2 dozen armored vehicles and artillery units and 2 dozen trucks and transport vehicles every day to gain little to no ground?

They can't build them that fast under sanctions and eventually this will mean their other defense forces on other borders are dangerously depleted.
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On top of that Russia has lost about 20% of its Black Sea fleet. I know the USA has sent a ton of ground based weapon systems and is not in the best place with our stockpiles but losing that much of your naval abilities in the area is a huge loss to Russia. The Ivanovets is considered a "small" missile boat but it is still a $60+ million loss.

Russia has lost 20% of its Black Sea fleet
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The Ukrainian Ministry of Defense claimed to have destroyed the Russian Navy's Project 1241 Molniya missile corvette Ivanovets in the Black Sea in the early hours of Thursday morning. The attack was purported to have been carried out by the special forces unit "Group 13," which employed unmanned sea drones.
Ukraine sinks Ivanovets missile boat
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The Ivanovets - a small warship - received "direct hits to the hull" overnight, after which it sank, military intelligence said.

It has released video footage that purports to show the moment of impact, followed by a big explosion.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Can Russia really sustain losing 2 dozen armored vehicles and artillery units and 2 dozen trucks and transport vehicles every day to gain little to no ground?

They can't build them that fast under sanctions and eventually this will mean their other defense forces on other borders are dangerously depleted.

Well some would say Russia is building 200 T-90's per month. Which is ridiculous on its face, even without the obvious issue of finding competent trained crews to man that many per month.
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Teslag said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Can Russia really sustain losing 2 dozen armored vehicles and artillery units and 2 dozen trucks and transport vehicles every day to gain little to no ground?

They can't build them that fast under sanctions and eventually this will mean their other defense forces on other borders are dangerously depleted.

Well some would say Russia is building 200 T-90's per month. Which is ridiculous on its face, even without the obvious issue of finding competent trained crews to man that many per month.
The best I was able to surmise myself from digging all over, was ~100 MBTs a month from a mix of new production and rehauling of stockpiled units. This was a few months ago though and was just my own looking around at multiple sources of differing biases. So who really knows.
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Eliminatus said:

Teslag said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Can Russia really sustain losing 2 dozen armored vehicles and artillery units and 2 dozen trucks and transport vehicles every day to gain little to no ground?

They can't build them that fast under sanctions and eventually this will mean their other defense forces on other borders are dangerously depleted.

Well some would say Russia is building 200 T-90's per month. Which is ridiculous on its face, even without the obvious issue of finding competent trained crews to man that many per month.
The best I was able to surmise myself from digging all over, was ~100 MBTs a month from a mix of new production and rehauling of stockpiled units. This was a few months ago though and was just my own looking around at multiple sources of differing biases. So who really knows.
How many of those were modern T80/T-90 and how many were T-72/T-62s being marginally upgraded?
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txags92 said:

Eliminatus said:

Teslag said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Can Russia really sustain losing 2 dozen armored vehicles and artillery units and 2 dozen trucks and transport vehicles every day to gain little to no ground?

They can't build them that fast under sanctions and eventually this will mean their other defense forces on other borders are dangerously depleted.

Well some would say Russia is building 200 T-90's per month. Which is ridiculous on its face, even without the obvious issue of finding competent trained crews to man that many per month.
The best I was able to surmise myself from digging all over, was ~100 MBTs a month from a mix of new production and rehauling of stockpiled units. This was a few months ago though and was just my own looking around at multiple sources of differing biases. So who really knows.
How many of those were modern T80/T-90 and how many were T-72/T-62s being marginally upgraded?
I don't believe they're upgrading anything. At this point they're pulling T-55s out of the junk yard to use as self propelled artillery pieces because they don't have any other options. And it appears what front line equipment they have is either sitting in Russia or is lost pretty darn quickly upon entering the theater like the scattered T-90s we've seen. It's everything they've got to cannibalize equipment in storage to get some operational and in action.


There was some before and afters floating around not long ago of satellite images of their tank and heavy equipment storage yards around Russia. The kind of places that they stick things they never intend to use and much is parted out and sold to support mistresses and weekend apartments by middle commanders. Most were a shell of what they were previously. It's why they're starting to bring in armements from the rest of the axis of evil. It's most likely a dip your toe in moment to see if any of it can be relied upon because they know they may soon need to buy heavy equipment in addition to artillery pieces, shells, drones, and cruise missiles.

Some of the long term impacts of this special military operation are going to change how the military equipment market works. Instead of buying export models of Russian tanks, Africa and the middle east may be buying Chinese, North Korean, or Indian equipment because pretty soon Russia won't have much to sell.
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Teslag said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Can Russia really sustain losing 2 dozen armored vehicles and artillery units and 2 dozen trucks and transport vehicles every day to gain little to no ground?

They can't build them that fast under sanctions and eventually this will mean their other defense forces on other borders are dangerously depleted.

Well some would say Russia is building 200 T-90's per month. Which is ridiculous on its face, even without the obvious issue of finding competent trained crews to man that many per month.
I still don't understand the armor-centric strategy. Russia would've been far better off mounting machine guns and rockets to the backs of 100,000 Toyota trucks & racing across the open territories. And now - after armor has been chewed up and javelins have been distributed across the lines: it's even more likely for armor to be successfully targeted.

So go back to the drawing board: forget armor and focus on swarms of Kamikaze drones to clear the battlespace in front of a troop advance.
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ICJ rules Ukraine's case against Russia can proceed and other notes.

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Regarding production of orc armor. I don't think it matter much if they are producing 200 a month because this video describes perfectly who is crewing them.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/s/sEg59UxkB2
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Does anyone know how many Russian troops have been deployed at this point or are in Ukraine?
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It looks like the average start of a war thunder game…
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Another oil refinery hit in Russia last night by drone attack is burning. This is exactly what Ukraine needs to do. Hit as much oil production from Russia as possible. Just think how hitting 5-6 refineries would wreak havoc on our economy at home.
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docb said:

Another oil refinery hit in Russia last night by drone attack is burning. This is exactly what Ukraine needs to do. Hit as much oil production from Russia as possible. Just think how hitting 5-6 refineries would wreak havoc on our economy at home.
Refineries are big places (sq miles). A successful attack doesn't tell us much. It will be interesting how much processing power is pulled off line and for how long.
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Czechs call for sourcing shells for Ukraine from outside of Europe and other updates.

Today's SITREP.
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Russia blames Kiev for deadly strike that killed dozens and other notes.

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Everyone else blames the ***holes who invaded another country
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Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

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74OA said:

Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

AVDIIVKA


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74OA said:

Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

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Probably a good indicator of the amount of infrastructure Ukraine feels they have in place in the area.
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jbeaman88 said:

74OA said:

Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

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Probably a good indicator of the amount of infrastructure Ukraine feels they have in place in the area.
And lets hope with good doctrine and infantry and anti air support.
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wonder when we see F-16's?
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2wealfth Man said:

wonder when we see F-16's?


Probably 2-3 days after the Wash Post and NYT report them to be in theater ready for use.
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2wealfth Man said:

wonder when we see F-16's?
Posted earlier: JETS
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74OA said:

Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

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Interesting timing with China telling the world the 4 spots to hit an Abrams to take one out of commision
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P.U.T.U said:

74OA said:

Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

AVDIIVKA
Interesting timing with China telling the world the 4 spots to hit an Abrams to take one out of commision
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74OA said:

2wealfth Man said:

wonder when we see F-16's?
Posted earlier: JETS
Hard to believe that F-16 first flew over 50 years ago and still in demand.
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Well, most actively flown by us and NATO allies are very different than those that flue half a century ago. Kinda cool it's been that dominant for so long and interesting that technology advances haven't been able to make it obsolete.

Hell, the block 25, F-16C is 40 years old.
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richardag said:

P.U.T.U said:

74OA said:

Ukraine sends Abrams to the front for the first time.

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Interesting timing with China telling the world the 4 spots to hit an Abrams to take one out of commision
How did they acquire this knowledge?


It's from a "study" they did, which is likely little more than propaganda. Basically, they do a "study" and announce they can defeat _______ US weapons system from time to time to pump up the peasants, but a lot of times the "studies" are based on unrealistic assumptions or predictions about capabilities they will have a opposed to those they do have.
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