How close does a UAV operator have to be for these small copter types to work?

Waffledynamics said:

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Ukrainian Defense Forces have success South-East to Robotyne and South to Mala Tokmachka

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/21-august-ukrainian-defense-forces-have-success-southeast

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The Ukrainians are getting closer and closer to Tokmak. That bulge on Livemap just keeps expanding.

A few thousand feet depending on how uncluttered the line of sight is.

The issue with a somewhat bigger and more sophisticated but still not hugely complex or expensive drone, you can get it to the general area with GPS and then it can pick a target and fly into it with some automation.

In the next decade or two, military bases will have to be hardened against this sort of thing with point detection and defense capabilities. Detectors with Directional jammers and lasers, stuff like that.

Russia will get to experience the technology as it is developed and experimentally deployed in its very early stages in this war, and Russia doesn't employ hangars or revetments to a high degree like NATO does.

Few thousand feet is typical but with repeaters you can go a long ways. Much more complicated to set up and often more delay.

Those craters indicate that older contact fused shells are being used and they are cheap but much of their explosive effect is transmitted into the soil, instead of any particular target.

For a few thousand feet then these things have to be smuggled into Russia proper along with the operators too? Are these basically suicide missions for the operators or do they have time to exit the area?

You can just leave the repeaters, they don't need any man power. An Omni antenna is good for about a mile and you can setup several of them for the same system

Waffledynamics said:

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Ukrainian Defense Forces have success South-East to Robotyne and South to Mala Tokmachka

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/21-august-ukrainian-defense-forces-have-success-southeast

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Why wouldn't those forces head southEAST towards Berdiansk and Cherhnovka skirting Tokmak to the west..

Rob and his new partner on Speak the Truth were analyzing there is an entire Brigade Headquarters of Guards units in Tokmak with over 100 tanks and armored vehicles.

no way the Ukes are going to be able to just bull through there.

so why not ISOLATE Tokmak and all Russian units to the west by having your main line of advance centered on Mariupol to the east, rather than Melitopol to the west?!

that cuts off even more Russian units without having to fight them head on.

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How close does a UAV operator have to be for these small copter types to work?

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The real answer is... it depends. Under perfect conditions it could be nearly 10 miles with some off the shelf drones. With poor line of sight, obstructions, jamming, or other interference it could be a few hundred to several thousand feet. With repeaters, some if that can be overcome, but again the range will still depend on the repeater and interference.

Russia likely isn't trying to jam these things near their own airbases. For one, they'd be jamming themselves most of the time for no reason. For two, they're so far removed that they probably see (or saw) these kind of attacks as impossible or improbable. Considering that, it's most likely up to the terrain, and the operators could have easily been several miles away.

To do that means leaving your right flank vulnerable to counterattack from those same forces in Tokmak.

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To do that means leaving your right flank vulnerable to counterattack from those same forces in Tokmak.

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Yep. It could also mean you're baiting those same forces to try and flank you over open ground into a trap. Most of the ground outside of Tokmak is wide open farm fields according to Google Earth with little topography or tree lines.

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For two, they're so far removed that they probably see (or saw) these kind of attacks as impossible or improbable. Considering that, it's most likely up to the terrain, and the operators could have easily been several miles away.

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It kind of seems the Ukes thought the same. If you're going to try the improbable, it was a great opportunity wasted for a single mode of attack at your one shot at this base and those planes.

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WOW. Talk about deadly efficient.

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— Kolowrat (@Kolowrat_) August 21, 2023

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Different perspective Drone vid same incident on reddit link below.

Russian tank fires twice at their own tank in front and then cluster munitions used on the surviving dismounted orcs. Starting to see more and more multi drone viewed incidents.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/15x95in/russian_armored_assault_column_of_6_getting/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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Stupid non-embedding tweet

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Peak Russia: A family as they drive by -
Her: "Oy oy oy! My god we need to help him I think."
Him: "He will be fine."
Her: Laughs "That's adrenaline." pic.twitter.com/iyT6PDRw5f

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 20, 2023

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hard not to laugh at that and more fitting if he would have been drug across barbed fence or APMs.

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TU-22 is more or less contemporary with the old F111.

The TU-160 is the B1 more or less equivalent. That is B1a fast version, not so much B1b low altitude lower radar signature version.

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Backfire is more than double the weight of a F-111

That direction of attack is against the some of the most difficult topographical areas in the region. Elevation changes of 500 valleys, hills, several hundred feet of very steep elevations and very few roads. So you're talking about infantry and carried artillery the whole way. It's not very favorable terrain to advance against.

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MouthBQ98 said:

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TU-22 is more or less contemporary with the old F111.

The TU-160 is the B1 more or less equivalent. That is B1a fast version, not so much B1b low altitude lower radar signature version.

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Backfire is more than double the weight of a F-111

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The Russians haven't developed any heavy bombers since the Backfire and that is late 70s - early 80s technology so any they lose has to hurt as there is nothing to replace them. They are reportedly working on a new stealth bomber the Pak-Da but it was supposed to have a flying prototype by next year and I would be shocked if sanctions haven't killed its development. My guess is it gets scrapped and they rely on updating the aging planes in their existing fleet.

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A few thousand feet depending on how uncluttered the line of sight is.

The issue with a somewhat bigger and more sophisticated but still not hugely complex or expensive drone, you can get it to the general area with GPS and then it can pick a target and fly into it with some automation.

In the next decade or two, military bases will have to be hardened against this sort of thing with point detection and defense capabilities. Detectors with Directional jammers and lasers, stuff like that.

Russia will get to experience the technology as it is developed and experimentally deployed in its very early stages in this war, and Russia doesn't employ hangars or revetments to a high degree like NATO does.

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can a drone be programed to run a route outside the range of the operator? Like on suicide run?

True but I was just listing the closest analogue. The USA really has nothing much like it, and never really did. We had fighter bombers and them went straight to heavy strategic or penetration bombers.

The F111 was more of a big fighter bomber while the TU-22 was a strike bomber, really a strike missile platform.

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Stupid non-embedding tweet

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Peak Russia: A family as they drive by -
Her: "Oy oy oy! My god we need to help him I think."
Him: "He will be fine."
Her: Laughs "That's adrenaline." pic.twitter.com/iyT6PDRw5f

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 20, 2023

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hard not to laugh at that and more fitting if he would have been drug across barbed fence or APMs.

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That shows how low the regard is for Russian Military when a citizen just drives right past them without stopping. If I saw an American pilot in the highway after bailing out I am at least stopping to offer a ride back to his base.

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Was that in Russia or in Uke?

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Stupid non-embedding tweet

https://x.com/kremlintrolls/status/1693522986026885226

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Peak Russia: A family as they drive by -
Her: "Oy oy oy! My god we need to help him I think."
Him: "He will be fine."
Her: Laughs "That's adrenaline." pic.twitter.com/iyT6PDRw5f

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 20, 2023

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hard not to laugh at that and more fitting if he would have been drug across barbed fence or APMs.

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That shows how low the regard is for Russian Military when a citizen just drives right past them without stopping. If I saw an American pilot in the highway after bailing out I am at least stopping to offer a ride back to his base.

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There was that verified incident a few weeks ago of the Russian pilot ejecting close to shore and all the Russian beach goers oooing and ahhing over it with some even laughing. NO ONE bothered to actually go get him or even attempt anything. Even the private boats that were in the area and visible in the video. That pilot drowned. Estimates had it around 8 mins in the water before he died. At least one pleasure boat could have made it to him. Ya know, if they actually cared.

Different cultures highlighted once again…

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Stupid non-embedding tweet

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Peak Russia: A family as they drive by -
Her: "Oy oy oy! My god we need to help him I think."
Him: "He will be fine."
Her: Laughs "That's adrenaline." pic.twitter.com/iyT6PDRw5f

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 20, 2023

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hard not to laugh at that and more fitting if he would have been drug across barbed fence or APMs.

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That shows how low the regard is for Russian Military when a citizen just drives right past them without stopping. If I saw an American pilot in the highway after bailing out I am at least stopping to offer a ride back to his base.

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Was that in Russia or in Uke?

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Belgorod Russia

Crimea feeling the pinch after the Kerch Bridge rail link was struck.

GASOLINE

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Stupid non-embedding tweet

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Peak Russia: A family as they drive by -
Her: "Oy oy oy! My god we need to help him I think."
Him: "He will be fine."
Her: Laughs "That's adrenaline." pic.twitter.com/iyT6PDRw5f

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 20, 2023

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hard not to laugh at that and more fitting if he would have been drug across barbed fence or APMs.

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That shows how low the regard is for Russian Military when a citizen just drives right past them without stopping. If I saw an American pilot in the highway after bailing out I am at least stopping to offer a ride back to his base.

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Was that in Russia or in Uke?

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Belgorod Russia

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Yeah if it was Ukraine the driver would have stepped on the gas and run over the pilot as he was being dragged across the road.

Most commercial ones no, the higher end and military ones yes but those often can work with GPS where you can set and forget

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Stupid non-embedding tweet

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Peak Russia: A family as they drive by -
Her: "Oy oy oy! My god we need to help him I think."
Him: "He will be fine."
Her: Laughs "That's adrenaline." pic.twitter.com/iyT6PDRw5f

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 20, 2023

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hard not to laugh at that and more fitting if he would have been drug across barbed fence or APMs.

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That shows how low the regard is for Russian Military when a citizen just drives right past them without stopping. If I saw an American pilot in the highway after bailing out I am at least stopping to offer a ride back to his base.

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Was that in Russia or in Uke?

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Belgorod Russia

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Yeah if it was Ukraine the driver would have stepped on the gas and run over the pilot as he was being dragged across the road.

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No, they'd have asked him which side he was on. If Ukrainian, he'd have been taken home for a nice warm meal. If Russian, they'd have tied his chute to the car and drug his carcass to the next police station.

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Most commercial ones no, the higher end and military ones yes but those often can work with GPS where you can set and forget

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I fly waypoints on my DJI Mavic. I've lost connectivity with it more than once, but so far it has always come back. Many Uke drones are indigenous designs so who knows what they are capable of.

But depending on the nav system, it could be easy for a saboteur to program a small drone to sit on the ground for an hour before taking off and dropping a phosphorus incendiary grenade at a given gps location 5 miles from the take off point.

"The Greek prime minister, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, stepped up criticism of Russia's unprovoked attack on Ukraine on Monday, saying war crimes that have taken place in the country "must be punished under international law"."

UPDATES

"Ukraine's Defense Intelligence Directorate (GUR) is taking credit for two drone attacks on Russian airbases over the past three days, telling The War Zone that it recruited people to attack the Soltsy-2 and Shaykovka airbases from inside the country."

Today's SITREP.

Location 55.807886, 37.391451 pic.twitter.com/Qzs1ktsptu

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) August 21, 2023

Good lord, look at that landscape. This is South of Bakhmut.

Another ruscist attempt at an attack south of Bakhmut has failed.

🎥 24th "Aidar" Assault Battalion pic.twitter.com/0BqJ9G9dUI

— Defense of Ukraine (@DefenceU) August 21, 2023