and their sea drones are making naval operations and re-supply by ship a risky adventureGordo14 said:
Looks like Ukraine knocked out the two road bridges from Crimea to Ukraine. They knocked out the rail bridge a week or so ago.
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Missile strikes reported at Chonhar bridges and bridge in Henichesk
With all due respect, you cannot win a war thinking about a mythical retaliation calculation.aezmvp said:
We are not there yet. The attack on the Sig is definitely an escalation along with the naval combat warning at the Russian ports, but you'll have to see some more ships actually sunk by USV to make that point. I don't believe that the Russians have a pipeline large enough to supply Crimea so hitting tankers would be a pretty effective strategy but the retaliation from Russia is likely to be pretty bad at the ports. Worth it? Probably.
Exactly. Russia stated their intention to treat all Ukrainian bound ships as if they were weapon transports. Ukraine responded by treating Russian ships similarly.Jetpilot86 said:
Uh, why isn't this considered the Uke retaliation????
Exactly.Jetpilot86 said:
Uh, why isn't this considered the Uke retaliation????
Any time you launch a new vector or attack something different its an escalation. See hitting neutral flagged shipping around Brittain with Uboats. Or chemical warfare. Hitting commercial shipping is absolutely a response, and yes it is proportional, to hitting the grain elevators and ports. But that doesn't mean that it isn't a new escalation that Russia can/will use to justify something else. My guess is more attacks on port facilities in or around the Odessa area or any shipping inside Uke waters.Jetpilot86 said:
Uh, why isn't this considered the Uke retaliation????
What's the functional deference between that and sailing commercial grain ships to Ukraine via the territorial waters of 3 NATO countries (Turkey, Bulgaria, and Romania) as is currently being done?AlaskanAg99 said:
A real leader would tell the Turks were sending in a mine sweeper and commercial grain ships on a humanitarian mussion. An attack on any is a declaration of war w/ NATO.
Throw the gauntlet down.
I care. I hope the orcs cry about the retaliation all the way to Moscow or their grave. Either destination works for me.Quote:
No one cares if a country that's invaded a sovereign nation has their feelings hurt.
It seems russian telegram channels are wild with a supposed fiasco on the front, where a russian commander put his men into Ukrainian uniforms, intending to use them in an attack behind Ukrainian lines.
— Aleksandr X (@AleksandrX13) August 6, 2023
Unfortunately for his men, he forgot to tell anyone else! Russian forces… pic.twitter.com/U9l5S4iccO
SmallBusiness said:
Says Turkey may be transporting the naval drones closer to Russian targets.
lb3 said:It seems russian telegram channels are wild with a supposed fiasco on the front, where a russian commander put his men into Ukrainian uniforms, intending to use them in an attack behind Ukrainian lines.
— Aleksandr X (@AleksandrX13) August 6, 2023
Unfortunately for his men, he forgot to tell anyone else! Russian forces… pic.twitter.com/U9l5S4iccO
