***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to LMCane • 10:17a, 7/13/23
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LMCane said:
Mutinous Wagner mercenary group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin is likely either dead or jailed, and his much-publicized meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin after his botched rebellion was probably faked, according to a former senior US military leader.

Retired Gen. Robert Abrams, an ABC News contributor who previously served as the commander of US Forces Korea, shared his thoughts on Prigozhin's uncertain fate in the aftermath of the Wagner Group's short-lived armed insurrection last month.

"My personal assessment is that I doubt we'll see Prigozhin ever again publicly," Abrams told ABC News. "I think he'll either be put in hiding, or sent to prison, or dealt with some other way, but I doubt we'll ever see him again."
I think none of these on-the-outside retired/former soldiers and spies have any idea what is going on. Someone will be right, he's either dead or he's alive, but they're all just making stuff up at this point.


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"I don't see any evidence that he's been killed," retired US Army Brig. Gen. Kevin Ryan told Insider on Wednesday of Prigozhin, adding that he also does not suspect the financier and founder of the Russian paramilitary group to be currently locked up.

"What's the point of doing that and not saying that you've done that?" said Ryan, who served as the defense attach to Russia for the US.
https://www.businessinsider.com/wagner-boss-yevgeny-prigozhin-likely-isnt-dead-former-us-general-2023-7
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10:35a, 7/13/23
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In reply to PJYoung • 10:40a, 7/13/23
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I can't imagine someone saying, "Ok, here's your weapons," and then opening a crate of antiques older than my grandparents.
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In reply to PJYoung • 10:52a, 7/13/23
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That looked like a Tommy Gun in the middle of the video
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In reply to AgLA06 • 11:02a, 7/13/23
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AgLA06 said:
That looked like a Tommy Gun in the middle of the video


It's based on a Finnish design that itself dates back to the mid-20's
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11:03a, 7/13/23
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Old guns are bad enough....but have a look at those combat sandals.
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In reply to PJYoung • 11:03a, 7/13/23
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if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?
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In reply to AgLA06 • 11:06a, 7/13/23
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That looked like a Tommy Gun in the middle of the video
Was that a bayonet at the end?
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11:07a, 7/13/23
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More info on how Popov popped off and got fired.

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In reply to LarryElder • 11:08a, 7/13/23
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Because this is an artillery, drone, and mine war. Small arms seem to be a small percentage of the casualties compared to those. Russia fires thousands of rounds of artillery a day
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In reply to PJYoung • 11:11a, 7/13/23
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Oh the irony that a country that created and built arguably the best modern mass produced rifle, the AK-47, cannot produce enough for their own army. Or produce much of anything at this point.
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In reply to LarryElder • 11:13a, 7/13/23
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LarryElder said:
PJYoung said:
if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?
The reality is those firearms, while ancient are quite useful in the close quarter, corner turning trench warfare.
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In reply to AgLA06 • 12:22p, 7/13/23
Let's hope that the ammo they're handing out is as old as the guns.
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In reply to LarryElder • 1:32p, 7/13/23
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LarryElder said:
PJYoung said:
if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?


Not necessarily. Not every unit is going to be armed like this, and Russia still has a lot of mines, fortifications, and artillery to go through. They won't be able to thunder run their way through like they did in the east, at least not for awhile. They are still working on asymmetrically attriting and depleting Russia before trying to overwhelm them.
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In reply to LarryElder • 1:45p, 7/13/23
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LarryElder said:
PJYoung said:
if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?
More to the point, this is among the reasons the Russian army can't steamroll the Ukrainians.
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2:23p, 7/13/23
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Those old 7.62x25 of 9mm arms won't be quite as useful as something firing an intermediate cartridge now that body armor is so prevalent. It's better than nothing but less than ideal. Seeing those museum pieces issued is interesting considering how many SKS and AK 47/74 and other older models they should have in storage. They probably have a TON of old mines and RPG, but they've got to be having issues with more modern infantry weapons for AT purposes.
If they keep being ground down logistically, they will become vulnerable at some point to a broader attack that they don't have the mobile reserves to repel.
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2:28p, 7/13/23
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Ukraine has already taken delivery of US cluster shells.

DPICM

......and the French cruise missiles, too.

SCALP

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In reply to PJYoung • 3:24p, 7/13/23
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PJYoung said:
****ers are playing Tarkov IRL at this point
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In reply to 74OA • 3:27p, 7/13/23
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74OA said:
Ukraine has already taken delivery of US cluster shells.

DPICM

......and the French cruise missiles, too.

SCALP



Put them to good use!
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In reply to 74OA • 3:29p, 7/13/23
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74OA said:
LarryElder said:
PJYoung said:
if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?
More to the point, this is among the reasons the Russian army can't steamroll the Ukrainians.


I'd like to have one of each for my imaginary collection.

…not for use in an active conflict!
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4:02p, 7/13/23
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It is interesting how much the proxy wars may have eaten into their small arms inventory. Supplying insurgents and terrorists used that equipment and not the big stuff that just sat in warehouses.

You would think the CCP would be sending them air shipments full of AKs but I guess not.
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In reply to 74OA • 4:13p, 7/13/23
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74OA said:
LarryElder said:
PJYoung said:
if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?
More to the point, this is among the reasons the Russian army can't steamroll the Ukrainians.


Yeah, until you need an ammo resupply.

"Oleg, bring me four more magazines of 7.63x25mm Mauser ammo, fast!"
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In reply to Stressboy • 5:03p, 7/13/23
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Stressboy said:
It is interesting how much the proxy wars may have eaten into their small arms inventory. Supplying insurgents and terrorists used that equipment and not the big stuff that just sat in warehouses.

You would think the CCP would be sending them air shipments full of AKs but I guess not.

I wonder what role abandoned stockpiles in former soviet satellite countries played in the depletion? It seems they left behind huge amounts of small arms when the left Eastern Europe in the immediate post-war period.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 5:26p, 7/13/23
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pagerman @ work said:
Stressboy said:
It is interesting how much the proxy wars may have eaten into their small arms inventory. Supplying insurgents and terrorists used that equipment and not the big stuff that just sat in warehouses.

You would think the CCP would be sending them air shipments full of AKs but I guess not.

I wonder what roll abandoned stockpiles in former soviet satellite countries played in the depletion? It seems they left behind huge amounts of small arms when the left Eastern Europe in the immediate post-war period.


That has to be a huge bit of it but they have been making arms for everyone for 3 decades since the wall fell. Seems like they would have a decent supply chain. They have plenty of raw material and the processing / manufacturing is low tech.

I guess the scale of losses are too much to keep up. Maybe some of those big ammo dump explosions during last years Ukrainian offensive took out a lot of their spares.
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5:29p, 7/13/23
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My guess is most of the modern firearms were probably sold on the black market via the generals and Oligarchs. AK47's that were shown on paper being in a warehouse somewhere in central Russia were probably sold years prior to some African, Mexican or South American dictator or cartel. It's probably a lot harder to black market artillery ammo and such.
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In reply to Ag97 • 5:34p, 7/13/23
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My guess is most of the modern firearms were probably sold on the black market via the generals and Oligarchs. AK47's that were shown on paper being in a warehouse somewhere in central Russia were probably sold years prior to some African, Mexican or South American dictator or cartel. It's probably a lot harder to black market artillery ammo and such.
Saw a documentary about that a year or so ago. (It was older than that but the first time I had seen it.)

After the Soviet Union fell, arms dealers proliferated selling Soviet stuff primarily to cartels. Helicopters even submarines. Was pretty wild from that documentary.
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In reply to Gilligan • 5:43p, 7/13/23
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Gilligan said:
74OA said:
LarryElder said:
PJYoung said:
if the russian army is this porus shouldn't UKE be steamrolling them?
More to the point, this is among the reasons the Russian army can't steamroll the Ukrainians.


I'd like to have one of each for my imaginary collection.

…not for use in an active conflict!


And after it was commandeered in a russian trench that was just rolled by the Ukes using American assets.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 5:56p, 7/13/23
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7:31p, 7/13/23
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Good read. Too many disgruntled Russian generals can be dangerous.

The Telegraph: Russian general's outburst is an earthquake for Vladimir Putin
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Major General Ivan Popov may not have intended his explosive farewell message to Russia's 58th army to reach the public. It was first sent in private to a former general and MP in Putin's party.

But whether he wanted to or not, he has exposed a mire of paranoia, mistrust, and resentment that if unaddressed could paralyse the Russian war machine.

In peacetime, publicly accusing a superior officer of incompetence and betrayal would be a serious breach of discipline.

Accusing the high command of a "stab in the back" in the middle of a major war and just a few weeks after a mutiny nearly toppled the government is on a whole other plane of insubordination.
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In reply to PJYoung • 7:56p, 7/13/23
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PJYoung said:


Still effective at killing Nazis...
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8:00p, 7/13/23
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Mutiny stirs discontent in Russian military leadership.

Today's SITREP.
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