One of my favorite Hemingway quotes.AgBank said:
Gradually and then suddenly.
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Railway was blown up near Vladyslavivka village in occupied Crimea
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Ukrainian Defense Forces have success at Novodarivka Pryutne and Novodanylivka Robotyne directions
It seems like the past 16 months says differently - but maybe you're correct. We will see.LarryElder said:UKE will have to negotiate they cant push Russia outGordo14 said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
That is awful. This has to end soon.
Russia can end it by leaving whenever they want. 70% of Ukranians want to continue until they recover all their lost territory.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/403133/ukrainians-support-fighting-until-victory.aspx
Russia is the party that forced this war on Ukraine. They are in the wrong. I would love for this war to end tomorrow, but Ukraine is fighting for their existence. Russia is fighting for imperialist fantasies of a dictator. Glad you're finally acknowledging how evil Russia's actions are.
lb3 said:/1
— Randy Mott (@randymot4) June 25, 2023
Russians defeated in major battle in the south: huge offensive attack was caught in a pocket of UKR artillery fire from three sides. Russians have had tremendous problems doing a combined arms assault and now these losses cannot be replaced.
/6 Here you see how Russians are stripping their defenses to mass for these attacks. These poorly done attacks may also simply be political orders to keep advancing (given by some drunk general who has no feel for the actual situation on the front).https://t.co/8PVgwTO5n2
— Randy Mott (@randymot4) June 25, 2023
Wow, so Putin spent $2 billion just on Wagner’s payroll and Prigozhin’s catering contracts. Quite a return on investments. https://t.co/xuXtJuPPOZ
— Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof) June 27, 2023
Wagner mercenaries shot down at least 6 Russian helicopter gunships and a command & control plane during mutiny, might be biggest one-day total since Afghanistan in the 80s, officials say.
— Lucas Tomlinson (@LucasFoxNews) June 27, 2023
I agree with this assessment. I also think Crimea would be a point where Putin might use nukes.Teslag said:
I think pushing them completely out of Crimea and Donbas would be a tall order. However, they can liberate a significant amount of occupied lands and should do so. National defense is the most fundamental duty of any government.
How the hell the Moscow unit didn't have a few tanks is beyond me. I guess memories of 91.PJYoung said:
Less tanks for the front.Wow, so Putin spent $2 billion just on Wagner’s payroll and Prigozhin’s catering contracts. Quite a return on investments. https://t.co/xuXtJuPPOZ
— Yaroslav Trofimov (@yarotrof) June 27, 2023
UK Defence Ministry confirms the recapture of a bit of Ukrainian land that's been under Russian control since 2014. https://t.co/EgSasoQ6TV
— Michael Weiss (@michaeldweiss) June 27, 2023
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/27-june-lukashenka-camps-for-wagner-are-not-being-built-inQuote:
Lukashenka: camps for Wagner are not being built in Belarus, but we will help them with accommodation if necessary - Belta
"Today, our soldiers have made progress in all areas, and this is a happy day. I wish them more such days," Zelensky said after a visit to troops on the eastern and southern front lines. (2/2)
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) June 27, 2023
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/26-june-2-person-killed-9-wounded-as-result-of-shelling-inQuote:
2 person killed, 9 wounded as result of shelling in Oleshky in occupied part of Kherson region
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Fire near Kherson after bombardment with incendiary ammunition
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/27-june-explosions-audible-in-kherson-after-reported-launchQuote:
Explosions audible in Kherson after reported launch of guided bombs
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/27-june-at-zaporizhzhia-and-kherson-directions-russian-armyQuote:
At Zaporizhzhia and Kherson directions Russian army shelled Temyrivka, Novodarivka, Levadne, Olhivske, Malynivka, Zaporizhzhya, Chervone, Huliaipole, Zaliznychne, Huliaipilske, Mala Tokmachka, Orikhiv, Scherbaky, Pyatykhatky, Lobkove of Zaporizhzhia region; Nikopol of Dnipropetrovsk region; Dudchany, Olhivka, Respublikanets, Lvove, Tyahynka, Burhunka, Kachkarivka, Mykolayivka, Zmiyivka, Antonivka, Naddnipryanske, Molodizhne, Inzhenerne, Zelenivka, Kherson, Bilozerka, Berehove, Dniprovske, Romashkove and Charivne of Kherson region and Ochakiv of Mykolaiv region. Russian aviation conducted airstrikes at Levadne and Oleshky, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
aezmvp said:I agree with this assessment. I also think Crimea would be a point where Putin might use nukes.Teslag said:
I think pushing them completely out of Crimea and Donbas would be a tall order. However, they can liberate a significant amount of occupied lands and should do so. National defense is the most fundamental duty of any government.
Calls for peace are getting a little shrill in the other thread.MouthBQ98 said:
They will strain Russian logistics until they fail to resupply an area adequately for too long, then identify it through lack of defensive fires and break through it. It's pretty much a matter of time.
They are terrified Russia might not win the war.Faustus said:Calls for peace are getting a little shrill in the other thread.MouthBQ98 said:
They will strain Russian logistics until they fail to resupply an area adequately for too long, then identify it through lack of defensive fires and break through it. It's pretty much a matter of time.
Hard to believe the Russian military commanders have learned so little about their failures in logistics in the last 16 months.MouthBQ98 said:
They will strain Russian logistics until they fail to resupply an area adequately for too long, then identify it through lack of defensive fires and break through it. It's pretty much a matter of time.
aezmvp said:I agree with this assessment. I also think Crimea would be a point where Putin might use nukes.Teslag said:
I think pushing them completely out of Crimea and Donbas would be a tall order. However, they can liberate a significant amount of occupied lands and should do so. National defense is the most fundamental duty of any government.
aggiehawg said:Hard to believe the Russian military commanders have learned so little about their failures in logistics in the last 16 months.MouthBQ98 said:
They will strain Russian logistics until they fail to resupply an area adequately for too long, then identify it through lack of defensive fires and break through it. It's pretty much a matter of time.
They started out with that long convoy on one highway towards Kiev. Had the Ukrainians had the air power back then, it would been a repeat of the Highway of Death in Kuwait in the first Gulf War and over in the same amount of time.
Amazing.
Brave of him to fly through Russian airspace. I would have done my damnedest to take a southern route out and around Ukraine for fear that Putin may send some mid-flight greetings.Rossticus said:A Embraer Legacy 600 with the Registration “RA-02795” which is reportedly a Business Jet used by Wagner PMC Leader, Yevgeny Prigozhin has landed at Machulishchy Air Force Base to the South of Minsk, Belarus after Taking-Off from an Air Field in the Rostov Region of Southwestern… pic.twitter.com/Ny0oomL6bN
— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) June 27, 2023In addition to Prigozhin’s plane, a business jet BAe-125-800B (reg. number RA-02878) took off from St. Petersburg and at 7:58 landed at Machulishchy military airfield. pic.twitter.com/8NzeJO5ajF
— Belarusian Hajun project (@Hajun_BY) June 27, 2023
A great thing about the Prigy Freedom March is that he showed Putin will back down off his prior statements. This kills Putin's credibility as a hardliner and once again shows that he will back away from his word if the stress is high enough.aezmvp said:
I also think Crimea would be a point where Putin might use nukes.
From the "10 Lessons" link I posted on 1123, I think this commentator is probably right: "It is worth emphasizing that on Saturday the threat to him (Putin) personally and to his regime was real. Both the risk and the humiliation were incomparably greater than anything that could happen in Ukraine. Compared to power in Russia, land in Ukraine is unimportant. After what we have just seen, no one should be arguing that Putin might be backed into a corner in Ukraine and take some terrible decision. He cannot be backed into a corner in Ukraine. He can only be backed into a corner in Russia."aezmvp said:I agree with this assessment. I also think Crimea would be a point where Putin might use nukes.Teslag said:
I think pushing them completely out of Crimea and Donbas would be a tall order. However, they can liberate a significant amount of occupied lands and should do so. National defense is the most fundamental duty of any government.