***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Rongagin71 said:

I guess you guys know liquified gas is what gets sold when there is no pipeline available...
but apparently Russia has found a willing buyer in China.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/03/22/Xi-leaves-gas-Taiwan/1631679492136/
Russia will rapidly become a resource colony of China.

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So they're moving from Europe's resource colony to China's. A major problem being that they don't have the infrastructure in place to send the same quantity of O&G. That will take a decade to build out. Neither country has that much time with their demographic collapses and Russia transitioning to a wartime economy.
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Going to be hard to build the infrastructure too without Western support.
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Today's SITREP. Sevastopol attacked by sea and air.
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Explaining Russia and China's long, difficult friendship: The enemy of my enemy is my friend (for now).

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https://apnews.com/article/depleted-uranium-ukraine-russia-tanks-a92a4784dfcbd1ff221813154b7f3a8e

WASHINGTON (AP) Russia threatened to escalate attacks in Ukraine after the British government announced it would provide to Ukraine a type of munition that Moscow falsely claims has nuclear components.

The British defense ministry on Monday confirmed it would provide Ukraine with armor-piercing rounds containing depleted uranium....


My comments...how long is cleanup going to take? The very big fear of nuclear enabled ships sinking or the use of DU rounds just seems like a bad idea. Esp when existing weapon systems are very effective at knocking out Soviet armor.
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more Russian propaganda for dullards. Everything is a radioactive particle emitter. It's just that most elements are extremely stable with long half lives and rarely emit particles in time scales relevant to humans. Some isotopes of uranium are similar to that, while others have short half lives and emit radioactive particles more frequently.

The uranium used is composed almost entirely of slow decaying isotopes with the more useful isotopes regarding nuclear reactions removed. It is used as a warhead for its physical properties. Yet, it is easy propaganda to play stupid and frighten rubes by conflating all uranium with nuclear reactions and nuclear weapons, so that's what Russia does.
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Jamie Vasquez

https://thepostmillennial.com/stolen-valor-top-ukraine-volunteer-soldier-revealed-to-be-fraud-heavily-promoted-by-adam-kinzinger-malcolm-nance

[That's not really within the scope of the tactics and strategy thread -- Staff]
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MouthBQ98 said:

more Russian propaganda for dullards. Everything is a radioactive particle emitter. It's just that most elements are extremely stable with long half lives and rarely emit particles in time scales relevant to humans. Some isotopes of uranium are similar to that, while others have short half lives and emit radioactive particles more frequently.

The uranium used is composed almost entirely of slow decaying isotopes with the more useful isotopes regarding nuclear reactions removed. It is used as a warhead for its physical properties. Yet, it is easy propaganda to play stupid and frighten rubes by conflating all uranium with nuclear reactions and nuclear weapons, so that's what Russia does.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Not totally without unwanted side effects, but it looks like the Russkies would be the one's affected the most! Fire away!
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MouthBQ98 said:

more Russian propaganda for dullards. Everything is a radioactive particle emitter. It's just that most elements are extremely stable with long half lives and rarely emit particles in time scales relevant to humans. Some isotopes of uranium are similar to that, while others have short half lives and emit radioactive particles more frequently.

The uranium used is composed almost entirely of slow decaying isotopes with the more useful isotopes regarding nuclear reactions removed. It is used as a warhead for its physical properties. Yet, it is easy propaganda to play stupid and frighten rubes by conflating all uranium with nuclear reactions and nuclear weapons, so that's what Russia does.


Eye roll. I'm all for the continued degregation of Russias military. My comment was if these rounds are used, how long would it take to clean it all up. Even if decays slowly there should be some concern about toxic material leaking into the groundwater or slow uptake in the ag sector.

I'm fully aware DU rounds are not equillivant to nuclear reactors, but I'd imagine a lot more rounds would be used and no nuclear ship has been sunk in this war.
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Lol the USA fired well over 1 million DU rounds in Iraq alone. Getting hit with DU rounds would be incredibly unhealthy (kind of the point), there are concerns over the health of those handling them.

White phosphorus isn't exactly healthy either and Russia has no problems firing those into civilian areas.
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74OA said:

Today's SITREP. Sevastopol attacked by sea and air.
More detail on the seaborne portion of the attack.

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It's not toxic or radioactive like that even. It's safe to be around or handle. It's very low threat from a radioactive standpoint. The bigger issue is actually the chemical properties of uranium as an element rather than nuclear issues. If I recall, it isn't completely chemically benign.
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$2.1B ammo from EU for Ukraine is a done deal.

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Russia uses DU rounds so it's not like they aren't already on the battlefield. This is just Russia raising another stink over Ukraine's ever improving capabilities.
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How accurate do you think he is in his assessment?
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I mean, it's heavy metal kind of toxic, but not like a biological poison. It makes a mess when turned to dust as you don't want to inhale the dust, for example, but the sold material is used more often than one might think. I think the biggest danger will be millions of mines all over the place for decades to come.
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AlaskanAg99 said:

MouthBQ98 said:

more Russian propaganda for dullards. Everything is a radioactive particle emitter. It's just that most elements are extremely stable with long half lives and rarely emit particles in time scales relevant to humans. Some isotopes of uranium are similar to that, while others have short half lives and emit radioactive particles more frequently.

The uranium used is composed almost entirely of slow decaying isotopes with the more useful isotopes regarding nuclear reactions removed. It is used as a warhead for its physical properties. Yet, it is easy propaganda to play stupid and frighten rubes by conflating all uranium with nuclear reactions and nuclear weapons, so that's what Russia does.


Eye roll. I'm all for the continued degregation of Russias military. My comment was if these rounds are used, how long would it take to clean it all up. Even if decays slowly there should be some concern about toxic material leaking into the groundwater or slow uptake in the ag sector.

I'm fully aware DU rounds are not equillivant to nuclear reactors, but I'd imagine a lot more rounds would be used and no nuclear ship has been sunk in this war.
Depleted Uranium is also used in radiation shielding. I wouldn't handle it bare handed because the metal is somewhat toxic(like lead), not because it's highly radioactive.
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Rossticus said:

Russia uses DU rounds so it's not like they aren't already on the battlefield. This is just Russia raising another stink over Ukraine's ever improving capabilities.
Yes, they do........
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Agthatbuilds said:

How accurate do you think he is in his assessment?


I don't trust him any farther than I can throw him. If he's putting out something publicly it's for his own benefit in one way or another.

He's also publicly floated that he plans to wind down Wagner involvement in Ukraine and focus on Africa. Either he's trying to squeeze the Kremlin or now that he's out of convicts he's worried he'll lose too many of his more highly trained assets if he remains involved at the front.

Killing a bunch of rebels and villagers in Africa is far less costly than fighting agains an actual army as the tip of the spear. Better business decision if he's not getting sufficient support and concessions from Putin.
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Agthatbuilds said:

How accurate do you think he is in his assessment?


I think he's correct that Ukraine is training and massing a large offensive. I doubt he has a clue for what. Whatever he does know most likely on purpose just like before Kahrkiv and Kherson.
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Rossticus said:


Soooo......Russia is desperately stripping training complexes of equipment to send to the front, or this particular complex is simply standing down after completing its latest training evolution?
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well this certainly sounds both strange and interesting...

Russian forces have left the town of Nova Kakhovka in the southern Kherson region, the Ukrainian military's General Staff said on Thursday.

"As of 22nd March 2023, all units of the occupying army that had been deployed in the town of Nova Kakhovka in Kherson region, have left the city," the General Staff said in its evening report outlining conditions on the front lines.

The town is located on the east bank of the Dnipro River, where Russian forces redeployed last November after abandoning positions on the west bank in the face of a counter-offensive by Ukrainian troops.

The report said Russian troops had stolen appliances, valuables, clothing and mobile telephones from nearby houses as they departed.
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anyone else find it ironically hilarious that the most effective Russian commander...

looks like a retired librarian?
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74OA said:

Rossticus said:


Soooo......Russia is desperately stripping its training complexes of equipment to send to the front, or this particular complex is simply standing down after completing its latest training evolution?
Or they are moving to the front to initiate a new attack, either from Belarus or somewhere else nearby. Or the Belarussians refused to allow them to initiate a new front from their territory, so they took the equipment and troops back to Russia. I seem to recall that the Russians had taken the best Belarussian equipment to one of the training facilities and replaced it with older less capable stuff. And now the training ground has been emptied? Hmmm.
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Russia has always had infighting within intelligence services such as the GRU, SVR, FSB, etc. and then you start adding groups aren't even in the main intelligence pipeline like Wagner and you have a huge cluster. The USA had similar issues in the 1990s-2003ish until we figured out if everyone is talking we are a lot more effective. But I don't see this being fixed any time soon so a multi-prong spring offensive for Ukraine could be very effective.
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Yet another unintended consequence of Putin's war. Thanks again, Vlad.

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