***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Congressional Armed Services Committee: Weapons must be sent to Ukraine without fear of Putin's escalation
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/28-february-congressional-armed-services-committee-weapons

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Pentagon to the Congress Armed Forces Committee: We have not noticed any deviation in the use of our weapons in Ukraine
https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/28-february-pentagon-to-the-congress-armed-forces-committee

Curious if we will see a change in materiel after this. We've talked a lot about offensive needs.
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The missing piece is airpower. It is a key component of combined arms operations and particularly valuable for reaching into a defense in depth to disrupt it and interdict its supporting LOCs.

At the moment, however, air defenses are denying both sides the ability to effectively employ airpower in most of its traditional combat roles.

Within its range limits, HIMARS' responsiveness and accuracy do give Ukraine a facsimile of some aspects of airpower and it is more operationally impactful than are Russia's longer-ranged but intermittent and low-volume cruise missile/suicide drone strikes.

Most occupied territory is now within HIMARS range, so it will be interesting to see if it can substitute for airpower sufficiently to break open Russia's well-prepared defenses for a ground attack in the South.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Mobilized poorly trained reserves can be made to be somewhat effective in defense if adequately equipped and supported but they'll be almost useless in the attack without a lot of training and experience. About the only tactic they can execute is what they are being used for now: bullet catchers to probe defenses before follow on forces with combat experience make a real attack.
which is why I am thinking it may be smarter for the UFA to husband those 300 main battle tanks and use them as strategic reserve behind the front to destroy any Russian penetrations

this is much like the situation facing Germany north of Ukraine in the spring of 43- to launch a full counter attack or use their reinforcements as a defensive shield. they chose poorly

I would worry that 300 Uke tanks, never before used in combined arms ops

could just be shot up by the Russians in defense and then the Ukes just gave up a massive strategic advantage.
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LMCane said:

MouthBQ98 said:

Mobilized poorly trained reserves can be made to be somewhat effective in defense if adequately equipped and supported but they'll be almost useless in the attack without a lot of training and experience. About the only tactic they can execute is what they are being used for now: bullet catchers to probe defenses before follow on forces with combat experience make a real attack.
which is why I am thinking it may be smarter for the UFA to husband those 300 main battle tanks and use them as strategic reserve behind the front to destroy any Russian penetrations

this is much like the situation facing Germany north of Ukraine in the spring of 43- to launch a full counter attack or use their reinforcements as a defensive shield. they chose poorly

I would worry that 300 Uke tanks, never before used in combined arms ops

could just be shot up by the Russians in defense and then the Ukes just gave up a massive strategic advantage.


True. Then again that also buys Russia more time to layer defenses, arm and train troops. The Ukes aren't Germany here, they have to push Russia out.
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Welp,never mind them. I'll delete the false info
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Supposedly Russia is using TOS-1A against Bakhmut.

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FWIW. Just rumors atm. Could be disinfo.

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Rossticus said:




For only two 35mm gun systems to cover/defend that much acreage is remarkable, unless each system is composed of many distributed cannons?

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Here's what I can find. Each system is 2 guns that can have added SAMs. Only 3 rounds are needed to take down a threat.

The weapons system itself consists of two 35 mm (1.38 inch) revolver cannons with a rate of fire of 1,000 rounds per minute, a fire control system made up of a sensor unit and a detached command post. The Skyshield can also use up to two surface-to-air missile 8-cell modules for an expanded air defense capability. The Skyshield is designed for traditional anti-aircraft roles in addition to defense against missiles (see anti-ballistic missile).

The Skyshield is easily deployed by trucks and other transportation systems.
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Thanks. It'd be interesting to know which options these two particular systems include.
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Missile attacks on Ukrainian civilian centers look to be picking back up again.

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Note: Serbia is an observer state of the CSTO.
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It sure would be nice to knock out 3-4 of those cruisers in one mission
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Rossticus said:

Missile attacks on Ukrainian civilian centers look to be picking back up again.




The ship in the foreground is currently deployed to the bottom of the Black Sea
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Waffledynamics said:



Note: Serbia is an observer state of the CSTO.
.......and a de facto client state of Moscow, so particularly interesting if this was a state-approved sale rather than an arms dealer operating sub rosa.
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Would love to see it get some company.
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Today's SITREP.
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74OA said:

The missing piece is airpower. It is a key component of combined arms operations and particularly valuable for reaching into a defense in depth to disrupt it and interdict its supporting LOCs.

At the moment, however, air defenses are denying both sides the ability to effectively employ airpower in most of its traditional combat roles.

Within its range limits, HIMARS' responsiveness and accuracy do give Ukraine a facsimile of some aspects of airpower and it is more operationally impactful than are Russia's longer-ranged but intermittent and low-volume cruise missile/suicide drone strikes.

Most occupied territory is now within HIMARS range, so it will be interesting to see if it can substitute for airpower sufficiently to break open Russia's well-prepared defenses for a ground attack in the South.
Aye. Definitely not alone in thinking lack of air superiority is the number one failing of the Russians to date by a large margin. I think you are right in the role of HIMARS to some extent but I see it more as a strategic asset, going after supply dumps, command and control centers, troop barracks and repair shops, etc. Quick tactical long range assets still seems to fall to arty and maybe drones a bit. Which is not a real substitute for the Ukes I don't think.

Also question the numbers of HIMARS available. We don't make THAT many of them and the Russians are proving a very old theory of war. No matter how good your best weapon is, it usually is not enough to stop a determined enemy by itself. The Ukes have done great work with HIMARS to date but damn me if it doesn't look like whack a mole.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/11ekagu/30mm_russian_ap_round_that_failed_to_penetrate/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Ukrainian soldier takes a 30mm AP round to the vest and survives.
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Not a Bot said:




Absolutely been my train of thought. Most of us realize that sudden breakthroughs into lightly prepared back lines can be beyond disastrous. I am sure the Ukes have been trying to prepare back up defenses like mad but they more than anyone know how porous and strong they will be ultimately.

I have read on so many occasions how the number one commodity on a battlefield being lost, is time. And how much has been sacrificed to buy that time over the years. Entire fighting units have been thrown away in order to slow the enemy for better defenses to be prepared/ fall back in order. I have long thought that the single worst job this world has ever seen has been to be in command of a desperate and doomed rear guard action. It actually takes an enormous amount of discipline to fight in these actions as everyone can imagine. With poorly trained troops, it actually may be better to try to fight to the end rather than get rolled up in a general rout. Time will tell on this one of course.
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Some perspective.

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Russia's skill at destroying Ukrainian anti-tank mines is impressive

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