***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Ukraine has been a year-long intel bonanza for the foreign materiel exploitation dudes. The latest:

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Deleted - info posted on previous page
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If starlink is permitted cart blanche to be used as a drone control platform (interfacing from phone to drone without other infrastructure) directly, this could also be exploited all over the world, and would be a basis for other countries to refuse to approve starlink service. I know it's HIGHLY illegal to operate a drone as a weapon here, but does anyone really want the cartels etc. to have that native capability in short order via satellite operation?

Again, we should probably keep in mind that some of this is just one-sided propaganda. Musk hit back at Kelly, a politician astronaut who has since shut his trap:

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Musk told Kelly he was smart enough to "not swallow media & other propaganda bs." He called Starlink the "communication backbone" of Ukraine, something he has said before. "But we will not enable escalation of conflict that may lead to WW3," Musk tweeted.

In a separate tweet, Musk said Starlink terminals are designed for private use, not military use, "but we have not exercised our right to turn them off."

He said SpaceX was trying to do the right thing, but this was an "extremely difficult moral question." The company has not confirmed how it has limited Ukraine's ability to use SpaceX for military purposes.
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Ukrainian citizens and troops have used Starlink to get online since Musk activated the service in the country and sent over thousands of internet kits after Russia's invasion in February 2022.

Starlink's terms of service say the service is "not designed or intended for use with or in offensive or defensive weaponry or other comparable end-uses." But there have been reports of the Ukrainian military using Starlink on drones.

The Times of London
reported in March 2022 that a Ukrainian drone unit was using Starlink to help destroy Russian tanks and trucks at night. One soldier told a British reporter in April that the satellite service had "changed the war in Ukraine's favor."

Musk has previously tweeted about Starlink being for "peaceful use only" and most recently said the company will not allow it to be used in long-range drone strikes. SpaceX's COO Gwynne Shotwell said Wednesday the company never intended for Starlink to be "weaponized" in the war "but the Ukrainians have leveraged it in ways that were unintentional and not part of any agreement."
Oh btw, a fleet of military starlink comms is being developed/paid for, so if the CIA then chooses to operate this on behalf of/through that channel/fleet ("Starshield"), that might be a different game.
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The information war is nonstop and long precedes the current fight in Ukraine.

DISINFORMATION
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I wish Elon wouldn't be so receptive to Russian talking points but I do love his independent streak telling a senator to go pound sand.

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I believe some of the Uke's earlier unmanned boats failed because Starlink is geo-fenced.

Setting up an ad-hoc network of long range wireless repeaters isn't technically challenging or even very expensive. But the logistics to do so quickly would likely require cobbling together various brands of equipment and integrating all that together under battlefield conditions could be difficult. And reliability would likely suffer.
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2wealfth Man said:

Waffledynamics said:

74OA said:

Here's what strikes me as a thoughtful perspective on the current battlefield situation and the recent handwringing about a "massive" Russian offensive.

REALITY CHECK
Really good article, pretty much all the way through (except for a few typos). It definitely brings one back down to Earth when thinking about Russia's tactics and their offensive.
no kidding, Ukraine should be begging for the Russians to bring 1800 tanks to the front. Quick and efficient destruction of all that armor.
Yep Ukraine currently owns the skies while hollering "red rover red rover I dare you to come over"!
In some places Ukes probably can't counter assault without getting into their own mine placements before crossing the FLOT.

3 more tanks hit mines in same maneuver. The first is in a different video but you can see remnant for a second on the right.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/110quti/rolling_russian_tanks_through_ukrainian_minefields/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://funker530.com/video/russian-t-72-hits-multiple-at-mines/

There is a couple more where Ukes retreated leaving a couple of intact houses around bakhmut. Houses already TRPd watch 10-30 orcs enter house and then call for fire with pinpoint accuracy. Or the one below where they light it up with 30MM from BMP then drop the arty on it.

https://funker530.com/video/ukrainian-bmp-goes-berserk-on-russian-position/

Scratch 4-6 more!
https://funker530.com/video/russian-vehicles-pounded-by-ukrainian-artillery-near-bakhmut/

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/111841g/ukrainian_artillery_shell_near_group_of_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/110i95x/a_russian_infantry_group_stop_briefly_to_rest_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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when under accurate artillery fire-

is the best tactical response to halt all of your vehicles in a bunched up straight line?

asking for "Vlad" in Peoria.
nortex97
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US citizens urged to leave Russia immediately.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-states-tells-citizens-depart-russia-immediately-2023-02-13/

Not a good sign, at all.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/americans-in-russia-could-be-forced-to-fight-in-war-us-warns/ar-AA17qMBC
[url=https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/americans-in-russia-could-be-forced-to-fight-in-war-us-warns/ar-AA17qMBC][/url]I don't believe there is a list of Americans in Russia, but am curious how many might be involved.
Most consumer products companies have continued to operate there, I believe.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-12/for-fear-or-money-consumer-giants-are-staying-in-russia?leadSource=uverify%20wall
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LMCane said:

when under accurate artillery fire-

is the best tactical response to halt all of your vehicles in a bunched up straight line?

asking for "Vlad" in Peoria.
and these are supposed to be some of their best trained troops.

Like one of the other posters repeated a page or two back.

"we are lucky they are so ****ing stupid" Ukrainian soldier somewhere on the front.
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I'm amazed there are any US citizens still in Russia aside from people associated with the embassy.
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Moldovan President now saying Russian coup being planned.
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Same, don't really understand why you'd stay unless there is a necessary obligation
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The Fife said:

I'm amazed there are any US citizens still in Russia aside from people associated with the embassy.
This surprises me as well. I can't imagine what would drive an American to want to stay there given all that has gone on so far and that we are essentially at war with them right now.
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Fitch said:

Moldovan President now saying Russian coup being planned.

Meaning a Russia coup against Putin or a Russian coup in Moldovia?

Apologies if this is a stupid question
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txags92 said:

The Fife said:

I'm amazed there are any US citizens still in Russia aside from people associated with the embassy.
This surprises me as well. I can't imagine what would drive an American to want to stay there given all that has gone on so far and that we are essentially at war with them right now.

Go to Moscow for work / school, fall in love, have baby. Take as old as time. Some folks are in a very hard spot of abandoning family.
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Hopefully the Moldovans are taking out Putin.
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txags92 said:

The Fife said:

I'm amazed there are any US citizens still in Russia aside from people associated with the embassy.
This surprises me as well. I can't imagine what would drive an American to want to stay there given all that has gone on so far and that we are essentially at war with them right now.
Money, lots of resources like O&G. Before all of this happened I was supposed to go to Hungary, Belarus, and Russia for a few weeks. Glad that didn't happen
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Russian plot to topple Moldovan government using "opposition" protestors. Take with a grain of salt for now.

Bunch of articles now being pushed out:

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-politics-government-maia-sandu-152d2353f4c18bb84348f5d1656edb98

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64626785.amp

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/moldovan-president-warns-russian-plot-topple-leadership-2023-02-13/
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agent-maroon said:

Fitch said:

Moldovan President now saying Russian coup being planned.

Meaning a Russia coup against Putin or a Russian coup in Moldavia?

Apologies if this is a stupid question
Russian coup trying to take down the Moldavan government.

Russia coup
JFABNRGR
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Maybe the warning was supposed to go out 2-13-22.
nortex97
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The Fife said:

I'm amazed there are any US citizens still in Russia aside from people associated with the embassy.
I agree, but I also don't understand how a thinking sentient adult can do lot's of things I see on the nightly news/news feed. And some (like Griner) probably have little understanding of politics/risk and need the money.

They've thrown 40K prisoners as conscripts at the war, and lost more than we did in WW1, or Korea, and Vietnam combined already. I can see them pressing foreign nationals into 'service' at some point. Again, it would be great to see this de-escalate rather than the other.

Ukraine and Russia have hugely unhealthy/unsustainable birth rates/demographics (former around half sustain levels). Neither country is long for this earth.
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Thank you!
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P.U.T.U said:

agent-maroon said:

Fitch said:

Moldovan President now saying Russian coup being planned.

Meaning a Russia coup against Putin or a Russian coup in Moldavia?

Apologies if this is a stupid question
Russian coup trying to take down the Moldavan government.

Russia coup


This is just another "US backed color revolution." Moscow doesn't interfere in the domestic politics of its neighbors or work to install puppet governments.
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I noticed in the T72 video, only 2 crewmen exited the tank, and one was the driver. Makes me think there were only 2 men crewing the tank. No TC, just gunner and driver.
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MouthBQ98 said:

I noticed in the T72 video, only 2 crewmen exited the tank, and one was the driver. Makes me think there were only 2 men crewing the tank. No TC, just gunner and driver.


We saw this towards the end of the initial phase. It was when they were running out of trained crews but before the big conscript signings

Desperate times then, desperate times now. Probably another small indication that their first vaunted conscript wave was an abysmal failure and are tapping out of even that resource. On paper I mean, we all know that whole thing was a debacle.
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Eliminatus said:

MouthBQ98 said:

I noticed in the T72 video, only 2 crewmen exited the tank, and one was the driver. Makes me think there were only 2 men crewing the tank. No TC, just gunner and driver.


We saw this towards the end of the initial phase. It was when they were running out of trained crews but before the big conscript signings

Desperate times then, desperate times now. Probably another small indication that their first vaunted conscript wave was an abysmal failure and are tapping out of even that resource. On paper I mean, we all know that whole thing was a debacle.
It makes you wonder what real truth if any makes it to Putin.

If no truth, than repeated failures is understandable.
If some or all truth, than is he/they just as incompetent as the cannon fodder on the front.

Massive strike on rus target. Likely a HIMARS with secondary from a UR-77 or other ammo stockpiled up. Area does not appear to have much artillery craters around it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/111ft6j/unconfirmed_report_of_a_himars_strike_on_ru_armor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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President Andrzej Duda at training of Ukrainian soldiers: Ukrainian soldiers are already training in witoszw on Leopard tanks. This training will last over a month. Apart from Ukrainian soldiers, soldiers-instructors from Canada and Norway also train here


https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/13-february-president-andrzej-duda-at-training-of-ukrainian
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Not mentioned by Stoltenberg is while the US Army has maintained vast stockpiles of many types of munitions, since the end of the Cold War most NATO allies let their stocks seriously dwindle to save money. So, when Ukraine popped up and they began donating, their stockage levels quickly dropped down into the sustainment danger zone.

AMMO
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No, this is not often seen nowadays in modern tactical air warfare, on camera. This is a week old now but posting just fyi.

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That looks like Su-25s making ground attack runs with rockets.

They always pop flares when they break away after launching their rockets/missiles.
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Ukraine claims to have killed some thing like 1500 or more Russian troops in one day last week. This may have been the battle they were talking about.
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Given all the attention get balloons these days over North America, I am surprised that Ukraine has not found a way to weaponize steerable balloons with kamikazi drones against fixed targets using satellite links and GPS. Seems like it costs way more to take them down than they actually cost especially if lots of decoys emplyed.
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This is just another "US backed color revolution." Moscow doesn't interfere in the domestic politics of its neighbors or work to install puppet governments.


Someone's obviously never heard of little green men before.
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