***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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I am still not 100% convinced that this is Russia's war, as opposed to Putin war. He has a lot of support for it of course but if he were to die tomorrow, would his immediate successor have the Cajones to keep at it? I truly don't know.

Russia propaganda will has its citizens believing this is the fight of fights and that it is their duty, their calling to crush the Ukes in order to save Russia. It's just hard to gauge how effective it is on the populace as a whole. I don't think support is as unilateral as it was say in 1940.

Which begs the question we have cycled around since the first days of this. If Putin dies, does the war end? Maybe not over night obviously but eventually?

In response to the sustainment of length of this war. If Putin keeps living it will go on. Absolutely believe that. If something happens to him though…..maybe not?
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Eliminatus said:

I am still not 100% convinced that this is Russia's war, as opposed to Putin war. He has a lot of support for it of course but if he were to die tomorrow, would his immediate successor have the Cajones to keep at it? I truly don't know.

Russia propaganda will has its citizens believing this is the fight of fights and that it is their duty, their calling to crush the Ukes in order to save Russia. It's just hard to gauge how effective it is on the populace as a whole. I don't think support is as unilateral as it was say in 1940.

Which begs the question we have cycled around since the first days of this. If Putin dies, does the war end? Maybe not over night obviously but eventually?

Pregozhin obviously has been fighting the war harder and better than any other Russian as head of Wagner.

Would he end the war or take power by claiming he is the only one who can win it?

Several of the other players behind the scenes seem to be even more hard care Russian nationalists than Putin. but historically, once the first initial leader is assassinated that team is going to lose

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Depends on how he dies. If he dies from natural causes, I believe very little changes, because the people who talked him into the war have largely kept their positions in his inner circle and one of them will likely take over in his absence. Same goes for if he is deposed by one or more of his inner circle and falls out of a window while admiring the view. But if some outside faction composed of military, oligarchs, and other leaders who are privately against the war rises up and takes out Putin and most of his inner circle, I think the war ends in days, as continuing to fight it will interfere with their consolidation of power.
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Ukraine could receive an initial tranche of 237 Leo IA5s in a matter of months, but a Belgian arms dealer is a problem. "The (Belgian) army disbanded its last tank battalion in 2014 and sold its 50 Leopard 1A5s to Versluys's firm OIP for just $800,000." "Versluys has said he's open to selling back the tanks for onward transfer to Ukraine." "But Versluys reportedly is asking $27 million for the 50 tanks, a price Dedonder called "unreasonable."
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Looks like Russia lost one of its vaunted BMPTs in this last offensive.

These Terminator IFVs were deemed absolute top tier units by the Russians. Almost on par with the fabled T-14s. They have been hoarded to a level that is crazy. Prevailing thoughts were it would be more of a blow to Russia PR to lose them on camera than whatever actual fighting worth they may offer. But times are tough for Russia and they were finally sent in. There were reports that the unit had some damaged a couple months ago and pulled them back and then finally recommitted some to this new offensive.

Essentially these are the new hype for Russia but Russia was scared to lose them so they hoarded them relentlessly until now. And now they lost one. BTW they are only about 10 of these operational. The Ukes just broke one of Russias precious toys that even they care about.

Also backing track made me chuckle.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/10xsyxp/destruction_of_a_russian_bmpt_terminator_afv_by/
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Russian propaganda alive and well.

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ATX_AG_08 said:

Russian propaganda alive and well.


I keep applying and they keep turning me down.

Apparently, there's an age limitation even for cannon fodder.

...........and that's discrimination.
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Here's that perspective reset from Zeihan in YouTube format for those interested:
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ATX_AG_08 said:

Russian propaganda alive and well.


Supposedly Russia was tired of the bad PR from the prisoner recruitment, few were signing up anymore anyway, and Russia is now wary of Wagner looking to grasp power. So they cut off their ability to recruit from the prisons.

This is the equivalent of me saying I'm no longer courting Salma Hayek because I had too many supermodels beating down my door when reality her lawyer sent a restraining order.
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This is the shortest video of the Terminator being destroyed. The longer ones show 2-3 arty shots that miss close enough to possibly do damage but likely not serious. I think the machine was abandoned before Ukes started to engage it. Nobody around and no movement before or after the first shot.

Maintenance has been a big problem for them.
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not sure if this has been posted but another great first. Keep it up Russkies!!

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ATX_AG_08 said:

Russian propaganda alive and well.




Lol this isn't propaganda. He's straight up trolling the press.
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All of this armored equipment would be useful right now and won't be available for a few months. At this point Ukraine just needs to minimize loses until they get enough equipment for a counteroffensive.
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It will be interesting to see the Ukrainian defensive maneuvers in this offensive. They were quite mobile last time.
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The Dnieper River is a key offensive and defensive barrier for both sides in the south.

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400 operating tactical and fighter aircraft and 300 helicopters seems a stretch based on what we've seen so far. Wouldn't be surprised at the rest though. I'd be surging loitering munitions to secondary locations and firing some ranging artillery shots.
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What kind of tanks? T-55s?
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aezmvp said:

400 operating tactical and fighter aircraft and 300 helicopters seems a stretch based on what we've seen so far. Wouldn't be surprised at the rest though. I'd be surging loitering munitions to secondary locations and firing some ranging artillery shots.
MANPADS would be having a field day with that many helicopters.
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Again any decent modern anti tank weapon, medium loitering munitions etc will tear out anything older than the 2011 T72 variants. But even then yeah tinder boxes. They would be vulnerable to drone dropped AT munitions too. That's still a he'll of a lot of fire power.
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Politico article with analysis on the upcoming a Russian offensive.

https://www.politico.eu/article/can-vladimir-putin-ukraine-war-volodymyr-zelenskyy-donbas-chemical-weapons-win/
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aezmvp said:

400 operating tactical and fighter aircraft and 300 helicopters seems a stretch based on what we've seen so far. Wouldn't be surprised at the rest though. I'd be surging loitering munitions to secondary locations and firing some ranging artillery shots.
This may end up akin to Germany's Spring Offensive in 1918. Where Germany launched a final massive offensive to swamp the Allies before the Americans could arrive in numbers to sway the war.

Russia knows a slew of new armored units is coming so may be the best time to throw the dice and go all in BEFORE all those shiny new tanks show up. Makes sense in my mind at least. It actually almost worked in WW1 for Germany. And if you are going to go all in.....might as well go all in. Seeing those BMP-Ts committed is an indication that a few gloves are coming off. They have been extremely hesitant to field them to date.

Even if there is no vaunted massive push, this upcoming spring and early summer is going to be pretty pivotal IMO.
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UPDATE
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Well hope the orcs have some minesweepers in that 4000 vehicle assault group. I mean 3993. Jeez stupid is as stupid does.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/10yldex/a_column_of_russian_vehicles_hit_a_minefield_one/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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