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GAC06 said:

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Bradleys can fire TOW, and potentially the Strykers too

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DOH, that's probably what the TOWs are for.
Always loved the TOW launcher on the Bradley's , very compact and aesthetically pleasing.

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These weapon systems with the TOW are exactly what we needed to give them .. supposedly with have close to a million rounds or some crazy number of TOW missiles, way more rounds than Russian tanks and equipment in Ukraine .. this should have been the plan from the get go .. take out all their equipment with the TOW missiles

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deddog said:

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GAC06 said:

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Bradleys can fire TOW, and potentially the Strykers too

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DOH, that's probably what the TOWs are for.
Always loved the TOW launcher on the Bradley's , very compact and aesthetically pleasing.

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These weapon systems with the TOW are exactly what we needed to give them .. supposedly with have close to a million rounds or some crazy number of TOW missiles, way more rounds than Russian tanks and equipment in Ukraine .. this should have been the plan from the get go .. take out all their equipment with the TOW missiles

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I think the problem with TOW is that it isn't man portable; not easily anyway. Much bigger missile and launcher than a Javellin or NLAW

Either way, gives the Ukes a strong offensive punch

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Yep, and we're not even breathing hard. Russia doesn't understand that we can do this all day even before adding what our NATO allies are contributing.

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fullback44 said:

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deddog said:

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GAC06 said:

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Bradleys can fire TOW, and potentially the Strykers too

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DOH, that's probably what the TOWs are for.
Always loved the TOW launcher on the Bradley's , very compact and aesthetically pleasing.

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These weapon systems with the TOW are exactly what we needed to give them .. supposedly with have close to a million rounds or some crazy number of TOW missiles, way more rounds than Russian tanks and equipment in Ukraine .. this should have been the plan from the get go .. take out all their equipment with the TOW missiles

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I think the problem with TOW is that it isn't man portable; not easily anyway. Much bigger missile and launcher than a Javellin or NLAW

Either way, gives the Ukes a strong offensive punch

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That's because TOW has greater range and a bigger warhead than those other AT weapons. We've also provided over 1,700 Humvees and they've been used as TOW carriers forever.

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Tanks and artillery have been Ukraine's biggest gripes.

I believe Russia began the war firing close to 50k artillery rounds per day. They're down to around 20k per day now that equipment has been destroyed, barrels shot out, and ammo is running low.

Ukraine is only shooting 4k -7k per day. Less equipment and less ammo. I think this is us trying to get them closer to even. If they double to 14k per day this is 70 days worth.

AgLA06 said:

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deddog said:

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Tanks and artillery have been Ukraine's biggest gripes.

I believe Russia began the war firing close to 50k artillery rounds per day. They're down to around 20k per day now that equipment has been destroyed, barrels shot out, and ammo is running low.

Ukraine is only shooting 4k -7k per day. Less equipment and less ammo. I think this is us trying to get them closer to even. If they double to 14k per day this is 70 days worth.

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Ukraine doesn't need to indulge in Russia's volume of fires because we and our allies have given them much more accurate artillery systems and a considerable number of precision projectiles and missiles.

74OA said:

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AgLA06 said:

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deddog said:

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Tanks and artillery have been Ukraine's biggest gripes.

I believe Russia began the war firing close to 50k artillery rounds per day. They're down to around 20k per day now that equipment has been destroyed, barrels shot out, and ammo is running low.

Ukraine is only shooting 4k -7k per day. Less equipment and less ammo. I think this is us trying to get them closer to even. If they double to 14k per day this is 70 days worth.

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Ukraine doesn't need to indulge in Russia's volume of fires because we and our allies have given them much more accurate artillery systems and a considerable number of precision projectiles and missiles.

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No doubt Russia isn't as accurate in general. Their own soldiers are tired of being shelled by Russian artillery.

However, I don't believe for a second Ukraine would agree with you. Being out gunned 5X sucks regardless if the Russians aren't as accurate. Apparently our military agrees because it's apparently our top priority.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-scrambling-for-artillery-shells-ukraine-can-use-against-russia-2023-1

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74OA said:

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AgLA06 said:

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deddog said:

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Tanks and artillery have been Ukraine's biggest gripes.

I believe Russia began the war firing close to 50k artillery rounds per day. They're down to around 20k per day now that equipment has been destroyed, barrels shot out, and ammo is running low.

Ukraine is only shooting 4k -7k per day. Less equipment and less ammo. I think this is us trying to get them closer to even. If they double to 14k per day this is 70 days worth.

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Ukraine doesn't need to indulge in Russia's volume of fires because we and our allies have given them much more accurate artillery systems and a considerable number of precision projectiles and missiles.

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No doubt Russia isn't as accurate in general. Their own soldiers are tired of being shelled by Russian artillery.

However, I don't believe for a second Ukraine would agree with you. Being out gunned 5X sucks regardless if the Russians aren't as accurate. Apparently our military agrees because it's apparently our top priority.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-scrambling-for-artillery-shells-ukraine-can-use-against-russia-2023-1

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…..wanting more does not equate to wanting to duplicate insane Russian fires volume.

Today's SITREP.

74OA said:

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AgLA06 said:

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74OA said:

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AgLA06 said:

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deddog said:

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Tanks and artillery have been Ukraine's biggest gripes.

I believe Russia began the war firing close to 50k artillery rounds per day. They're down to around 20k per day now that equipment has been destroyed, barrels shot out, and ammo is running low.

Ukraine is only shooting 4k -7k per day. Less equipment and less ammo. I think this is us trying to get them closer to even. If they double to 14k per day this is 70 days worth.

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Ukraine doesn't need to indulge in Russia's volume of fires because we and our allies have given them much more accurate artillery systems and a considerable number of precision projectiles and missiles.

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No doubt Russia isn't as accurate in general. Their own soldiers are tired of being shelled by Russian artillery.

However, I don't believe for a second Ukraine would agree with you. Being out gunned 5X sucks regardless if the Russians aren't as accurate. Apparently our military agrees because it's apparently our top priority.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-scrambling-for-artillery-shells-ukraine-can-use-against-russia-2023-1

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…..wanting more does not equate to wanting to duplicate insane Russian fires volume.

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Absolutely. I didn't say that. Nor is Russia's rates of artillery insane by any stretch. It's actually quite low compared to other wars. Including Russia's historical past of doing just that. Iraq fired 1 million artillery shells a day at the peak of the Iran / Iraq war.

The comparison General Hertling is making here is actually mind blowingly worse than he knows.🤯🤯🤯

2022 Russian Army versus 1980's Iraqi Army Artillery logistics thread🧵

1/ https://t.co/Yg493RGTSL

— Trent Telenko (@TrentTelenko) October 7, 2022

AgLA06 said:

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74OA said:

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AgLA06 said:

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74OA said:

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AgLA06 said:

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deddog said:

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74OA said:

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Here's the long list of US aid to date. ASSISTANCE

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That is an insane amount of new equipment for the Ukranian army to absorb, and this is just US equipment (though i can see a lot of the items are probably sourced from former Warsaw pact countries .e.g. 152mm and 125mm rounds)

1 million artillery rounds -- dayumm...

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Tanks and artillery have been Ukraine's biggest gripes.

I believe Russia began the war firing close to 50k artillery rounds per day. They're down to around 20k per day now that equipment has been destroyed, barrels shot out, and ammo is running low.

Ukraine is only shooting 4k -7k per day. Less equipment and less ammo. I think this is us trying to get them closer to even. If they double to 14k per day this is 70 days worth.

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Ukraine doesn't need to indulge in Russia's volume of fires because we and our allies have given them much more accurate artillery systems and a considerable number of precision projectiles and missiles.

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No doubt Russia isn't as accurate in general. Their own soldiers are tired of being shelled by Russian artillery.

However, I don't believe for a second Ukraine would agree with you. Being out gunned 5X sucks regardless if the Russians aren't as accurate. Apparently our military agrees because it's apparently our top priority.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-scrambling-for-artillery-shells-ukraine-can-use-against-russia-2023-1

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…..wanting more does not equate to wanting to duplicate insane Russian fires volume.

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Absolutely. I didn't say that. Nor is Russia's rates of artillery insane by any stretch. It's actually quite low compared to other wars. Including Russia's historical past of doing just that. Iraq fired 1 million artillery shells a day at the peak of the Iran / Iraq war.

The comparison General Hertling is making here is actually mind blowingly worse than he knows.🤯🤯🤯

2022 Russian Army versus 1980's Iraqi Army Artillery logistics thread🧵

1/ https://t.co/Yg493RGTSL

— Trent Telenko (@TrentTelenko) October 7, 2022

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Wow. That comment is going to leave a mushroom shaped bruise on the RU military's forehead.

First confirmed loss of S-400 SAM for Russia. This is interesting as the Radiation missiles made big dents early. Then Russia found a way to combat them. Now this. Constant reaction back and forth.

#Ukraine: As new photos have appeared, it is safe to say the Russian army lost a component of the advanced S-400 air defense system- a 5P85SM2-01 TEL with 5V55R missiles.

This is the first ever confirmed combat loss of the S-400.https://t.co/KH474JKfep pic.twitter.com/Ll1Ib1Ncaa

— 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons) January 20, 2023

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It does seem that this war may not be winnable by simply killing Russians.

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I agree, but I think Russia will run out of munitions and equipment before they run out of conscripts.

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Not on artillery and bullets right?

What is the shelf life of 152mm/130mm shells?
20 years? 30?
I can't imagine the Russians storing them in good conditions either. However, those should be easy to manufacture i would think?

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If they are stored in a temperature and humidity controlled bunker the HE projectiles could be reliable for ~50 years or longer and the propellant is probably good for 30 years under those conditions before the powder bags just start to disintegrate and leak grains of propellant. The the point-detonating fuzes could last for 20-30 years but the time fuzes need to be tested by lot regularly after about a decade because they can be very unreliable as they get older.

As you correctly point out, proper ammo storage and maintenance is not a tradition in the Russian or Soviet armies.

https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3274372/replies/63851303

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First confirmed loss of S-400 SAM for Russia. This is interesting as the Radiation missiles made big dents early. Then Russia found a way to combat them. Now this. Constant reaction back and forth.

#Ukraine: As new photos have appeared, it is safe to say the Russian army lost a component of the advanced S-400 air defense system- a 5P85SM2-01 TEL with 5V55R missiles.

This is the first ever confirmed combat loss of the S-400.https://t.co/KH474JKfep pic.twitter.com/Ll1Ib1Ncaa

— 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons) January 20, 2023

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click on the Twitter post and it seems they corrected a mistake to now call it a destroyed S-300

Their jamming is making real-time drone surveillance impossible in some areas. Precision artillery strike targeting is much more difficult. Bayraktars can't fly over Russian positions right now to make strikes. It's a big deal.

I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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Ukraine still has a lot of people to draw from. Both countries have large populations. It's just that Russia has 4x the population.

Ukraine has supposedly been focusing on recovery and actually healing casualties, whereas Russia views their troops as more disposable. That isn't to say Ukraine is perfect nor that the Russians are completely without medics, but the two seem to know the quality of quantity.

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lotoarmy said:

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I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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Ukraine still has a lot of people to draw from. Both countries have large populations. It's just that Russia has 4x the population.

Ukraine has supposedly been focusing on recovery and actually healing casualties, whereas Russia views their troops as more disposable. That isn't to say Ukraine is perfect nor that the Russians are completely without medics, but the two seem to know the quality of quantity.

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Ukraine isn't going to be able to pull 300 to 500k people at the drop of a hat but they will probably add 100k in annually. May or may not be enough. About half of those troops will be trained in NATO countries or by train a trainer troops. The rest will be logi types, less training involved but still very important.

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I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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At the start of the war, Ukraine had roughly 11M males aged 15 to 55. If only half of those are available for service, that's still a huge manpower pool to draw from and there's a lot of females in uniform, too.

Unlikely a HARM took out that TEL. It would hit a radar emitter, not the launcher.

lotoarmy said:

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I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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They had a 2022 population 50% larger than Texas. They can conscript millions and given that their nation's survival is at stake, they won't have near the risk of a revolt from the families of the conscripted.

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lotoarmy said:

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I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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They had a 2022 population 50% larger than Texas. They can conscript millions and given that their nation's survival is at stake, they won't have near the risk of a revolt from the families of the conscripted.

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Yeah based on that graph they have 8 -9 million or somewhere near that fighting age men.. that would include men in the lower 50s who have been fighting

Take this with a grain of salt considering it's from one of the belligerents in the conflict:

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General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine estimates Russian military losses at 120160

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/21-january-general-staff-of-armed-forces-of-ukraine-estimates

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deddog said:

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Bradleys can fire TOW, and potentially the Strykers too

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DOH, that's probably what the TOWs are for.
Always loved the TOW launcher on the Bradley's , very compact and aesthetically pleasing.

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These weapon systems with the TOW are exactly what we needed to give them .. supposedly with have close to a million rounds or some crazy number of TOW missiles, way more rounds than Russian tanks and equipment in Ukraine .. this should have been the plan from the get go .. take out all their equipment with the TOW missiles

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I was reading that the TOW 2 has thermal optics…not sure if these munitions are that version or have that capability. But this does open up a new can of whoopass on the Orcs. I'm thinking tactical (Humvee) hit and runs at night on the periphery, light up armor and supply truck targets, regroup/reload, rinse and repeat.

Of course implementation and my imagination may be way off.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/frances-macron-proposes-big-hike-military-spending-2024-2030-2023-01-20/

France to boost defense spending by a third. Budget will have doubled from 2017-2030

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fullback44 said:

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deddog said:

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GAC06 said:

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Bradleys can fire TOW, and potentially the Strykers too

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DOH, that's probably what the TOWs are for.
Always loved the TOW launcher on the Bradley's , very compact and aesthetically pleasing.

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These weapon systems with the TOW are exactly what we needed to give them .. supposedly with have close to a million rounds or some crazy number of TOW missiles, way more rounds than Russian tanks and equipment in Ukraine .. this should have been the plan from the get go .. take out all their equipment with the TOW missiles

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I was reading that the TOW 2 has thermal optics…not sure if these munitions are that version or have that capability. But this does open up a new can of whoopass on the Orcs. I'm thinking tactical (Humvee) hit and runs at night on the periphery, light up armor and supply truck targets, regroup/reload, rinse and repeat.

Of course implementation and my imagination may be way off.

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Seems like thousands of javelins and it's equilavents were sent in the first few months of the war. How many antiarmor shoulder fired weapons have been sent, how successful have they been, how many have been used?

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lotoarmy said:

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I am 100% in support of the Ukes, but no amount of equipment is going help if they don't have enough people to use it.

How are they going to be able to keep boots on the ground?

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They had a 2022 population 50% larger than Texas. They can conscript millions and given that their nation's survival is at stake, they won't have near the risk of a revolt from the families of the conscripted.

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All this is good to know. I didn't realize they had this much population. May God be with them.

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AGS-R-TUFF said:

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fullback44 said:

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deddog said:

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GAC06 said:

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Bradleys can fire TOW, and potentially the Strykers too

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DOH, that's probably what the TOWs are for.
Always loved the TOW launcher on the Bradley's , very compact and aesthetically pleasing.

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These weapon systems with the TOW are exactly what we needed to give them .. supposedly with have close to a million rounds or some crazy number of TOW missiles, way more rounds than Russian tanks and equipment in Ukraine .. this should have been the plan from the get go .. take out all their equipment with the TOW missiles

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I was reading that the TOW 2 has thermal optics…not sure if these munitions are that version or have that capability. But this does open up a new can of whoopass on the Orcs. I'm thinking tactical (Humvee) hit and runs at night on the periphery, light up armor and supply truck targets, regroup/reload, rinse and repeat.

Of course implementation and my imagination may be way off.

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Seems like thousands of javelins and it's equilavents were sent in the first few months of the war. How many antiarmor shoulder fired weapons have been sent, how successful have they been, how many have been used?

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I think we have many many more available TOW missiles than the Javelins …. Supply issue, it seems many of the TOW are older and need a good target to fire at

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3597492-heres-every-weapon-us-has-supplied-to-ukraine-with-13-billion/

This is just the us. 8500 javelins and 1400 stingers. As of last august.

Add the anti armor stuff from the rest of the world and there should have been at least 15,000 anti armor shoulder fired stuff. Has there been any released analysis of success rate? How many vehicles has Russia deployed in the conflict?

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Russian forces have started to use assault groups instead of reconnaissance at Zaporizhzhia direction

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/21-january-russian-forces-have-started-to-use-assault-groups

Sounds like fighting will pick up in the South.

SPOILING ATTACKS?

The Russian forces gathered in this direction are only enough for some tactical improvement, but not for a large-scale breakthrough.

— NOËL 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) January 21, 2023