Agree totally, but I think we will hear this line of propaganda rev up from the Russian talking heads and last until early spring of next year, when they will find some new line of BS94chem said:That simply isn't going to happen. The isolationist wackos may be yelling the loudest, but there is no way we are pulling out. We are getting an incredible return on our investment in Ukraine. So far, around $15 billion, no American lives lost, and a dictator being crippled. And in case you haven't figured it out yet, Russia, not the US, will determine how long this war lasts. As for Ukraine, they will fight to the last babushka and stray cat.sclaff said:I suspect Russia has rationalized that the West (US) will bail after the next Congress is seated. There sure are a lot of isolationist Republican candidates talking that wayLMCane said:
do any Russians explain how prolonging a war actually helps Russia rearm, sell oil and gas, get rid of sanctions, end the destruction of their military equipment, puts conscripts back into the work force, and ends the deaths of Russians?
or a long war only hurts the West now?
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Robert C. Christian said:Rossticus said:
Cat fight…Dmitry Medvedev fires back at German criticisms of Russia’s weaponisation of food and energy by recalling how Nazi Germany killed 30 million people
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) October 20, 2022
If your justification is "well the nazis did it" that seems like a bad position to defend.
Especially when the nazis weren't even in the top two murderous villains IN THEIR TIME - and the Russians were number one.
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/21-october-big-fire-at-industrial-enterprise-in-schebekinoQuote:
Big fire at industrial enterprise in Schebekino of Belgorod region as result of shelling
https://t.me/zhest_belgorod/17826
russian long war certainly includes destroying power in Ukraine.94chem said:That simply isn't going to happen. The isolationist wackos may be yelling the loudest, but there is no way we are pulling out. We are getting an incredible return on our investment in Ukraine. So far, around $15 billion, no American lives lost, and a dictator being crippled. And in case you haven't figured it out yet, Russia, not the US, will determine how long this war lasts. As for Ukraine, they will fight to the last babushka and stray cat.sclaff said:I suspect Russia has rationalized that the West (US) will bail after the next Congress is seated. There sure are a lot of isolationist Republican candidates talking that wayLMCane said:
do any Russians explain how prolonging a war actually helps Russia rearm, sell oil and gas, get rid of sanctions, end the destruction of their military equipment, puts conscripts back into the work force, and ends the deaths of Russians?
or a long war only hurts the West now?
As for natural gas, heck yeah, we could be solving the European energy crisis, weaning the Far East off coal, and pouring the profits into alternative energy research, but our administration is more interested in crafting mandates than doing the hard work of business, trade, and science.
ADA takes down cruise missile a 100M over plant. Not sure if that was target or not but looks like it was already hit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/y9vqng/synchronized_videos_of_the_earlier_posted/
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
NOT celebrating this, BTW. These people were placed in harm's way by the Russian government and their proxies either deliberately at worst or very carelessly at best. Never want to see non-combatants killed. Have to be better and not resort to behaving like so many others on the Russian side.
Several Russian tv propagandists were killed on yesterdays strike on Antonovsky Bridge.
— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) October 21, 2022
This is - bar none - the grossest clip you'll watch all week. https://t.co/pV5WXe9Ib3
— The Intel Crab 🇺🇦 (@IntelCrab) October 21, 2022
….Don't go to Ukraine or we may hit you with drones.
Update: Iran has urged its citizens in Ukraine to leave the country and avoid traveling there due to “intensifying military clashes and increased unrest,” according to a statement from the Iranian Foreign Ministry.
— Apex (@Apex_WW) October 21, 2022
Russian propagandist Solovyov wonders what value the West has given to the world and "what did these people create"?
— MAKS 22🇺🇦 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 21, 2022
He says this into a microphone from the Chicago brand Shure, on the table he has an iPad from Apple,he has an iPhone 13 pro max, he wears an Apple Watch Ultra... pic.twitter.com/r7Dv4z6lSo
Well it's ... huge. pic.twitter.com/DPdGNF0mwO
— Angry Cossack (@auto_glam) October 21, 2022
They're not bitter at all…
The idea of Ukrainian nationalism is to have Russian as your native language, force yourself to learn some weird duckspeak invented by the Bolsheviks & speak that on TV, keep speaking Russian at home but ban it in the public sphere & purge those who don't wanna learn duckspeak https://t.co/jEApKuzlXd
— Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast) October 21, 2022
Partisan movements are strong in Melitopol.
— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) October 21, 2022
Russian foot patrols disappear at night
Car bombs go off
Putin is now much softer and more open to negotiations than before - Erdogan 🤡
— ТРУХА⚡️English (@TpyxaNews) October 21, 2022
"War Turtle" indeed…
"The Biden Administration and our allies need to do more to supply the tools Ukraine needs to thwart Russian aggression"
— Josh Kraushaar (@JoshKraushaar) October 21, 2022
— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) October 21, 2022
Not soft enough to get the hell out of Ukraine, though?
The Russians want people to believe the situation in Bakhmut is hopeless for Ukraine, or that everything is falling apart and the city is on the verge of falling. This is all propaganda.
— Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) October 21, 2022
Either side is probably throwing out a lot of propaganda on this, but the assessment that Ukraine has continued defense of Bakhmut is obvious up to this point.
BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 21, 2022
Poland’s president Andrzej Duda has been on the phone with his Iranian counterpart, telling him that Poland will take steps to prevent Russia from buying weapons.
🇵🇱🇺🇦
The city of Kherson will become a fortress that the troops will 'defend to the end', deputy head of the russian occupied Kherson region
— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 21, 2022
I didn't think that Ukraine was shelling inside Russia proper? Assumed that it was covert actors on the ground or HIMARS.Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/21-october-big-fire-at-industrial-enterprise-in-schebekinoQuote:
Big fire at industrial enterprise in Schebekino of Belgorod region as result of shelling
https://t.me/zhest_belgorod/17826
Looking like these weren't "just journalists" after all.
Oleg Klokov, reportedly killed last night in attack on pontoon crossing near Antonovskiy Bridge in Kherson, was not an ordinary Russian propagandist, but one of the main, who remained in the shadows, setting up processes. Some point out his close connections with Russian GRU. pic.twitter.com/GvhrRSXQdg
— Maria Avdeeva (@maria_avdv) October 21, 2022
Running water and toilets for starters.Rossticus said:Russian propagandist Solovyov wonders what value the West has given to the world and "what did these people create"?
— MAKS 22🇺🇦 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) October 21, 2022
He says this into a microphone from the Chicago brand Shure, on the table he has an iPad from Apple,he has an iPhone 13 pro max, he wears an Apple Watch Ultra... pic.twitter.com/r7Dv4z6lSo
Cool. Bypass it and head on down to Crimea.
CYBER PAYBACK: Hackers affiliated with the anti-Putin group NRA have gained access to nearly a dozen companies providing national security & defense services for Russia. Jason J Smart reports for the Kyiv Post: https://t.co/AyxYkpSmEd
— Chuck Pfarrer | Indications & Warnings | (@ChuckPfarrer) October 21, 2022
They are, but they're not allowed to use HIMARS or other Western-provided weapons to do so, I believe (unless that's changed). They're close enough to hit some targets in the Belgorod region without them.FriscoKid said:I didn't think that Ukraine was shelling inside Russia proper? Assumed that it was covert actors on the ground or HIMARS.Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/21-october-big-fire-at-industrial-enterprise-in-schebekinoQuote:
Big fire at industrial enterprise in Schebekino of Belgorod region as result of shelling
https://t.me/zhest_belgorod/17826
How the heck will they do that?Rossticus said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 21, 2022
Poland’s president Andrzej Duda has been on the phone with his Iranian counterpart, telling him that Poland will take steps to prevent Russia from buying weapons.
🇵🇱🇺🇦
You just know Poland is sitting there wanting this to be a reality:
Artillery duels continue between Dudchany and Mylove.
— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) October 21, 2022
Ukrainian forces use counter battery fire to great effect in this area. pic.twitter.com/jJw2b5PzIP
Well, that's a pretty cra ppy way to die.Waffledynamics said:
Full thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1583441399764365313.html1/ Mobilised Russian reservists from Kazan (likely ethnic Tatars) are committing suicide in toilets, running away from their mobilisation camp, and being given psychological evaluations to assess their loyalty, according to journalist Farida Kurbangaleeva. Translation follows. ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/HQvwvmqDfp
— ChrisO (@ChrisO_wiki) October 21, 2022
Sucks for the Russian ethnic minorities. They're essentially part of an internal genocide right now.
why commit suicide BEFORE you go off to war?Waffledynamics said:
Full thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1583441399764365313.html1/ Mobilised Russian reservists from Kazan (likely ethnic Tatars) are committing suicide in toilets, running away from their mobilisation camp, and being given psychological evaluations to assess their loyalty, according to journalist Farida Kurbangaleeva. Translation follows. ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/HQvwvmqDfp
— ChrisO (@ChrisO_wiki) October 21, 2022
it has been reported a few time that Russian conscripts are killing themselves before even being shipped to the front, which seems to be both ironic and paradoxical
could be the West and NATO will get some b@lls and actually start taking real actions to bring down the Iranian war machine and their ability to manufacture weapons, therefore stopping the flow to Russia before it can begin.Waffledynamics said:How the heck will they do that?Rossticus said:BREAKING:
— Visegrád 24 (@visegrad24) October 21, 2022
Poland’s president Andrzej Duda has been on the phone with his Iranian counterpart, telling him that Poland will take steps to prevent Russia from buying weapons.
🇵🇱🇺🇦
You just know Poland is sitting there wanting this to be a reality:
You've seen Full Metal Jacket. I suspect that a lot of these guys aren't mentally equipped to handle the stress and just snap. So many of the guys they're conscripting (based on reports and what we've seen) are probably either outright "challenged" or very close to it.
2/2
— Oleksii Reznikov (@oleksiireznikov) October 21, 2022
LOGFAS provides for the transparency and efficiency of the use of foreign military aid. It also increases our standards & procedures compatibility with the Alliance.
I believe that Ukraine has already become a de facto member of NATO.
Fat Boy trying to make some extra scratch.
Russia's leadership is working on agreements with North Korea on providing the wares for its war against Ukraine that Russia is "unable to produce or to acquire through other means" due to export controls and sanctions, according to Price.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) October 21, 2022
It is within 18 KM which I consider max for typical artillery. 6KM to border and 13KM to Vovchansk.FriscoKid said:I didn't think that Ukraine was shelling inside Russia proper? Assumed that it was covert actors on the ground or HIMARS.Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/21-october-big-fire-at-industrial-enterprise-in-schebekinoQuote:
Big fire at industrial enterprise in Schebekino of Belgorod region as result of shelling
https://t.me/zhest_belgorod/17826
Looks like small petro chem plant. there are several in the neighborhood and a rail line within 100M of the fire.
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“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
the more logical reason is that they didn't want to goto war, were shot twice in the head, and then ruled death by suicide. The psych counseling for others was simply a question of choices; war or suicide!LMCane said:why commit suicide BEFORE you go off to war?Waffledynamics said:
Full thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1583441399764365313.html1/ Mobilised Russian reservists from Kazan (likely ethnic Tatars) are committing suicide in toilets, running away from their mobilisation camp, and being given psychological evaluations to assess their loyalty, according to journalist Farida Kurbangaleeva. Translation follows. ⬇️ pic.twitter.com/HQvwvmqDfp
— ChrisO (@ChrisO_wiki) October 21, 2022
it has been reported a few time that Russian conscripts are killing themselves before even being shipped to the front, which seems to be both ironic and paradoxical
“You can resolve to live your life with integrity. Let your credo be this: Let the lie come into the world, let it even triumph. But not through me.”
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
- Alexander Solzhenitsyn
I don't mind celebrating the deaths of lying propagandists serving our enemies and leading to the death and destruction of innocent civilians.Rossticus said:
NOT celebrating this, BTW. These people were placed in harm's way by the Russian government and their proxies either deliberately at worst or very carelessly at best. Never want to see non-combatants killed. Have to be better and not resort to behaving like so many others on the Russian side.Several Russian tv propagandists were killed on yesterdays strike on Antonovsky Bridge.
— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) October 21, 2022
they made a deliberate choice to become the mouthpiece of Putin,
now they get the consequences. just as I would celebrate German propogandists working for Goebbels getting taken out.
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