***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to TheGroupGuy • 12:34p, 10/16/22
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Iran sending missles. Israel ramping aid. Nuclear exercises underway by NATO and Russia. This is rapidly escalating next I expect Russia to take out Starlink satellites


Uh, with what?

Chinese anti satellite weapons we just declared war on their economy with chip denial https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test


You do realize that is not going to eliminate Starlink capabilities, right?

Also, blowing up stuff in satellite orbit would negatively impact a multitude of nations, including Russia.

The Russian threat is on par with the US Star Wars program of the 1980s. Might be possible, might be real….might not be either.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 12:36p, 10/16/22
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This is probably a dumb question but noticed the Russian pilots always bank right after firing their missiles. Is there a legit reason for that, or just the way they are trained? Seems to me that would be a disadvantage to them in an actual dogfight as the opposing pilot could anticipate that move?
Most pilots are right-handed and physically predisposed to break left. Military pilots are warned about that and cautioned not to become predictable. What the Russians are doing I have no idea.
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In reply to 74OA • 12:41p, 10/16/22
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Most pilots are right-handed and physically predisposed to break left. Military pilots are warned about that and cautioned not to become predictable. What the Russians are doing I have no idea.
Thanks for that explanation. So what is cautionary in American pilots becomes doctrinaire in Russia? Sounds about right.

To quote the late great Fred Thompson, "The Rusklies don't take a dump without a plan, son."
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Would an EMP over Kiev sufficiently cut off communications with Ukraine that a push from the north and counter in the south would work? Putin could waves his arms saying no civilians died from the blast. And restart their hunt to assassinate Zelinksy.
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In reply to 92AG10 • 12:58p, 10/16/22
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Iran sending missles. Israel ramping aid. Nuclear exercises underway by NATO and Russia. This is rapidly escalating next I expect Russia to take out Starlink satellites


Uh, with what?

Chinese anti satellite weapons we just declared war on their economy with chip denial https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test


You do realize that is not going to eliminate Starlink capabilities, right?

Also, blowing up stuff in satellite orbit would negatively impact a multitude of nations, including Russia.

The Russian threat is on par with the US Star Wars program of the 1980s. Might be possible, might be real….might not be either.

Russia has no commmunications. I really don't think Putin cares about space junk in low orbit. Start your own thread to debate if you want remember you didn't think they had anti Sat capability when chiming in communication is a tactical and strategic capability plus part of what Elons referencing is no doubt fighting hackers https://www.wired.com/story/starlink-internet-dish-hack/amp
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In reply to TheGroupGuy • 1:11p, 10/16/22
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92AG10 said:
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Iran sending missles. Israel ramping aid. Nuclear exercises underway by NATO and Russia. This is rapidly escalating next I expect Russia to take out Starlink satellites


Uh, with what?

Chinese anti satellite weapons we just declared war on their economy with chip denial https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test


You do realize that is not going to eliminate Starlink capabilities, right?

Also, blowing up stuff in satellite orbit would negatively impact a multitude of nations, including Russia.

The Russian threat is on par with the US Star Wars program of the 1980s. Might be possible, might be real….might not be either.

Russia has no commmunications. I really don't think Putin cares about space junk in low orbit. Start your own thread to debate if you want remember you didn't think they had anti Sat capability when chiming in communication is a tactical and strategic capability


Actually, that's not even remotely close to what I said. To keep this aligned to the tactical discussion at hand, Russia absolutely and unequivocally has comms and GPS satellite systems in orbit that they rely on and aren't going to risk losing.
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In reply to 92AG10 • 3:10p, 10/16/22
They don't have working communication on battlefield
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:14p, 10/16/22
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Most pilots are right-handed and physically predisposed to break left. Military pilots are warned about that and cautioned not to become predictable. What the Russians are doing I have no idea.
Thanks for that explanation. So what is cautionary in American pilots becomes doctrinaire in Russia? Sounds about right.

To quote the late great Fred Thompson, "The Rusklies don't take a dump without a plan, son."


I wouldn't read too much into the direction they turn. The main takeaway from those videos is that their ground attack aircraft have been rendered largely ineffective by the threat of MANPADS. Lofting rockets is pretty much spray and pray. And I say ground attack instead of close air support because even in the best of times I don't think they had the capability to do what we call close air support.
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In reply to GAC06 • 3:17p, 10/16/22
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Thanks for the clarification.
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In reply to TheGroupGuy • 3:50p, 10/16/22
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They don't have working communication on battlefield


That doesn't mean Russia doesn't have communications capabilities or satellites. The current Russian military problem has more to do with lack of equipment, training and standard operating procedures. For the past few decades, the Russian Armed Forces haven't had to use encrypted or spaced based comms platforms because they have been focused on third-world adversaries. Now isn't the best time to figure out your shortfalls.
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Crop Circles by extra terrestian orcs.

Track blown off most of crew dead or about to be while engine continues to run.

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MiG 29s were late 70s early 80s design, correct? Weren't they replaced about 20 years ago?
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:14p, 10/16/22
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MiG 29s were late 70s early 80s design, correct? Weren't they replaced about 20 years ago?


There are newer models but I wouldn't say they've been "replaced". Still very much in use and modern variants remain in production. Russia just began stationing a bunch of MiG 31s in Belarus as well. 31s are roughly the same vintage.
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In reply to Rossticus • 4:17p, 10/16/22
I'm gonna bet putin told lukashenko he can have some of Ukraine if he joins the war
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In reply to Rossticus • 4:17p, 10/16/22
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MiG 29s were late 70s early 80s design, correct? Weren't they replaced about 20 years ago?


There are newer models but I wouldn't say they've been "replaced". Still very much in use. Russia just began stationing a bunch of MiG 31s in Belarus. 31s are roughly the same vintage.
Oh. Thought the Russians had tended more towards the SUs than continuing MiG designs since the early aughts.

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In reply to Who?mikejones! • 4:21p, 10/16/22
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I'm gonna bet putin told lukashenko he can have some of Ukraine if he joins the war


That's IF Luka were to survive. Odds of internal revolt and rebellion of military would skyrocket if he actively joined the invasion. I would NOT want to be one of the Russian soldiers stationed in Belarus amongst their soldiery if that happened.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:22p, 10/16/22
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MiG 29s were late 70s early 80s design, correct? Weren't they replaced about 20 years ago?


There are newer models but I wouldn't say they've been "replaced". Still very much in use. Russia just began stationing a bunch of MiG 31s in Belarus. 31s are roughly the same vintage.
Oh. Thought the Russians had tended more towards the SUs than continuing MiG designs since the early aughts.

Thanks.


They very well may be utilizing SUs in higher numbers. They just haven't discontinued the MiGs.
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You have to hand it to the UKES, they are doing a great job of integrating a lot of dissimilar weapon systems and making them effective. If these are HAWK AD weapons aren't they old hand me downs from the US?
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You have to hand it to the UKES, they are doing a great job of integrating a lot of dissimilar weapon systems and making them effective. If these are HAWK AD weapons aren't they old hand me downs from the US?


Could be but there were also European produced variants for NATO countries as well. I'd ASSUME that these are the 90's version I-Hawk variant but can't be certain.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-23_Hawk
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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:49p, 10/16/22
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MiG 29s were late 70s early 80s design, correct? Weren't they replaced about 20 years ago?


They are Russia's rough equivalent to our F15 although the avionics and other tech is not close. The engine performance and maneuverability are quite good. If they are pulling them out of storage then odds are they are not coming with anything modernized.

It is also the primary fighter/attack jet Ukraine is using in the war. The Ukrainian MiG-29 has been upgraded to fire NATO weapons, including the HARM anti-SAM missile.

One of the big eye-openers in this war is the lack of performance from the Russian Air Force. They don't seem to be able to fly with significant altitude and accurately target the ground at the same time. The lack of smart munitions and targeting pods has played a big role in how many have been shot down by manpads.
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The images/videos of equipment with the "triangle 2" markings on them rolling through on rail pretty much convinced me Belarus is actually going to get involved this go around.
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