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I think these couple of posts nailed it. The Ukes are operating with these small, mobile strike teams that have decision making at a much lower tier than the Russians. They roll in hard and fast and Russians don't have the command response necessary to deal with it. Its over before the communication relay between command can be completed.

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To add ... the Orks often can't differentiate the size/strength of their attackers (strike team vs regiment) - adding to the battlefield chaos.

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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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I'll add that I'm also fascinated by Russia's complete failure to adapt/respond to UA tactics. The number of times we've seen that exact same maneuver show up on the map and be successful is honestly quite astonishing. I'm no military strategist, but I would think against any competent military, there would be a limit to the number of times the same tactic can be successful.

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The Ukes are using small units to haul ass and get behind. It's even way more decentralized than anything we would ever do, it's bordering on chaotic. But riding the edge of effective and chaos is working because the Ukes have good communication.

The Russians, on the other hand, don't use the restroom without permission. They have poor/no comms and what comms they do have seem to be open for everyone to listen to. The Russians have never been good at high speed high maneuverability and they are literally getting leapfrogged to death.

Worse yet, the only way to halt this from happening over and over again would be to fall back a good bit, form some steady lines, and regroup/rearm. The russians won't do that.

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It really does sounds like chaos.

The best I can tell from some of the personal accounts I've read, Ukrainian platoon sized elements are basically operating independently. They advance to contact, engage, and either pin the defenders in place while they call in an artillery strike, or pursue when the defenders break off contact. Once they run out of ammo, food, or other supplies, they head back to the rear to get resupplied then return to the front when ready.

The Ukrainians have developed a strategery (thanks dub) in which they have delegated tactical command decisions to such a low level that they can act and react well within the turn around time of Russian comms and can maneuver to positions inside Russia's artillery's precision.

Basically, the Russians don't have time to employ reserves to reinforce units under attack and can't employ their overwhelming but imprecise artillery without saturating their own positions. Without improved comms and precise indirect fire, the Ukes are basically running up the score on the way to a 77-0 style rout of the orcs.

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I think these couple of posts nailed it. The Ukes are operating with these small, mobile strike teams that have decision making at a much lower tier than the Russians. They roll in hard and fast and Russians don't have the command response necessary to deal with it. Its over before the communication relay between command can be completed.

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The Ukes using this distributed command and logistics network, aren't massing troops prior to an assault so there is no center of mass to counter attack. It's like the cows attacking the flys in my previous gif.

The Uke's forward operating bases seem to be any of hundreds of different barns or houses dispersed across the front and logistics seem to be whatever truck they encounter in their way from the front. I'm sure it's more formalized than I'm describing but the first hand accounts from Uke soldiers makes it seem like they're all a bunch of cowboys.

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aggiehawg said:

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Ukraine-Russia Peace:

- Redo elections of annexed regions under UN supervision. Russia leaves if that is will of the people.

- Crimea formally part of Russia, as it has been since 1783 (until Khrushchev’s mistake).

- Water supply to Crimea assured.

- Ukraine remains neutral.

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) October 3, 2022

Uhm, don't think the Ukes will respond well to that.

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Can we bring back the exported Ukrainians, and eject the imported Russians first?

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exactly.

Musk seems to not realize the fact that it depends not only on who counts the votes, but who are the voters.

it would be like the Native Indians being offered the chance to take back South Dakota in 1895 if the population voted for it...

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wangus12 said:

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lb3 said:

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oldmanguy said:

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BlackGoldAg2011 said:

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I'll add that I'm also fascinated by Russia's complete failure to adapt/respond to UA tactics. The number of times we've seen that exact same maneuver show up on the map and be successful is honestly quite astonishing. I'm no military strategist, but I would think against any competent military, there would be a limit to the number of times the same tactic can be successful.

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The Ukes are using small units to haul ass and get behind. It's even way more decentralized than anything we would ever do, it's bordering on chaotic. But riding the edge of effective and chaos is working because the Ukes have good communication.

The Russians, on the other hand, don't use the restroom without permission. They have poor/no comms and what comms they do have seem to be open for everyone to listen to. The Russians have never been good at high speed high maneuverability and they are literally getting leapfrogged to death.

Worse yet, the only way to halt this from happening over and over again would be to fall back a good bit, form some steady lines, and regroup/rearm. The russians won't do that.

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It really does sounds like chaos.

The best I can tell from some of the personal accounts I've read, Ukrainian platoon sized elements are basically operating independently. They advance to contact, engage, and either pin the defenders in place while they call in an artillery strike, or pursue when the defenders break off contact. Once they run out of ammo, food, or other supplies, they head back to the rear to get resupplied then return to the front when ready.

The Ukrainians have developed a strategery (thanks dub) in which they have delegated tactical command decisions to such a low level that they can act and react well within the turn around time of Russian comms and can maneuver to positions inside Russia's artillery's precision.

Basically, the Russians don't have time to employ reserves to reinforce units under attack and can't employ their overwhelming but imprecise artillery without saturating their own positions. Without improved comms and precise indirect fire, the Ukes are basically running up the score on the way to a 77-0 style rout of the orcs.

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I think these couple of posts nailed it. The Ukes are operating with these small, mobile strike teams that have decision making at a much lower tier than the Russians. They roll in hard and fast and Russians don't have the command response necessary to deal with it. Its over before the communication relay between command can be completed.

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The Ukes using this distributed command and logistics network, aren't massing troops prior to an assault so there is no center of mass to counter attack. It's like the cows attacking the flys in my previous gif.

The Uke's forward operating bases seem to be any of hundreds of different barns or houses dispersed across the front and logistics seem to be whatever truck they encounter in their way from the front. I'm sure it's more formalized than I'm describing but the first hand accounts from Uke soldiers makes it seem like they're all a bunch of cowboys.

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It is pretty wild but one of the things we learn in the Corps is that violence of action is a force multiplier of its own. Sometimes a violent plan act on immediately is more effective than the perfect plan later.

This is also an area where the modeling of western armies is paying absolute dividends for the Ukes. We have always stressed the need for small unit leadership. Platoon sized on down. We place huge responsibilities on our young NCOs and lieutenants and it gives them confidence and the ability to act on the moment and not wait for orders. Modern warfare is way too fast and fluid to micromanage from a command center dozens of miles away. You need to empower those NCOs and young officers to make decisions and act on them when needed. As mentioned by others this is largely the opposite of how the Russians operate. After this is all said and done, I think this is an area that will really be highlighted in the analysis of the war.

May be Wild West stuff but it is working. We did similar things in Iraq '03 and large portions of Afghanistan.

Elon Musk is smarter than this and if Starlink is as valuable to the Ukes as we have read it is, the Uke diplomat would not have responded that way publicly.

Something more complex is occurring here with the tweet vote otherwise he is indirectly advocating we give back Alaska.

Maybe he is bot fishing for the lawsuit.

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A lot of new names on this thread have caused a serious derailment. Ya'll go start another thread to debate on Elon's business practices.

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If you don't think it is significant the one person that has provided the sole means for Ukrainian troops to communicate is suddenly pushing for terms beneficial to the enemy, I'm not sure what to tell you. That's a more realistic threat to Ukraine's future than nukes.

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I agree on that but it was getting seriously sidetracked

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I guess it's fairly obvious Russia has actually spent a fraction of it's supposed defense budget on actual defense things and the rest into oligarchs pockets after saying it was for defense

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The retirement plan for KGB agents is caled oligarch. That pretty mmh explains the sad state of 21st century Russia.

Denys' latest video. Nothing we didn't already know.

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Hold on to your butts… and hope this proves to be inaccurate.

https://t.co/0xxVkJ9uQv

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 3, 2022

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Welcome back knucklehead.

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So if this goes how the rest of the war has gone, he's about to give the Uke's a nuclear bomb?

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Any of you expert plane tracker know if we have sniffers up in the air?

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Can we bring back the exported Ukrainians, and eject the imported Russians first?

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GREAT point!!! I cannot believe Elon missed that.

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More on that sub.

Nuclear tipped, nuclear powered autonomous torpedoes. Looks like something out of a comic book.

The sub carries this supposed cobalt nuclear torpedo which is designed to detonate offshore. The shaped blast would theoretically cause a massive tsunami of radioactive water to engulf a coastal city. Fun times.

So, the Nova Kakhovka dam/bridge is 35 miles SW of the Dudchany pincer and 20 miles south of the Davydiv Bris pincer. Huge deal if they can capture the dam.

Russian forces have withdrew from Dudchany and blew the bridge to cover their retreat. pic.twitter.com/Ecw9ZKklRA

— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) October 3, 2022

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The sub carries this supposed cobalt nuclear torpedo which is designed to detonate offshore. The shaped blast would theoretically cause a massive tsunami of radioactive water to engulf a coastal city. Fun times.

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Theoretically, how massive of a tsunami? 20 feet? 30 feet? 100 feet? What is the yield on that. if you know.

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Rossticus said:

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Hold on to your butts… and hope this proves to be inaccurate.

https://t.co/0xxVkJ9uQv

— Faytuks News Δ (@Faytuks) October 3, 2022

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Welcome back knucklehead.

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So if this goes how the rest of the war has gone, he's about to give the Uke's a nuclear bomb?

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Thread over

Graphic says a 1600 ft tsunami. That seems impossibly large. Am I reading that right?

And that radioactive water is draining right back out into the ocean for everyone to enjoy...

My grandfather witnessed a couple of nuclear tests in the South Pacific after the war. He always told me, "you have no idea the magnitude of power in a nuclear bomb."

Um…just gonna leave this here.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine decided to save the unfortunate Russian invader from the inconvenience pic.twitter.com/oEkM3IOS6N

— ТРУХА⚡️English (@TpyxaNews) October 3, 2022

Is that a hummer?

It's a very interesting new tactic whatever it is.

One of the comments: "he died doing what he loved"

An @AP and @frontlinepbs investigation tracked more than three dozen ships to reveal a Russian operation to smuggle stolen Ukrainian grain worth at least $530M to the Middle East. Legal experts say the ongoing theft is a potential war crime. https://t.co/GRnn5ormj2 pic.twitter.com/nrn035HJL5

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 3, 2022

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An @AP and @frontlinepbs investigation tracked more than three dozen ships to reveal a Russian operation to smuggle stolen Ukrainian grain worth at least $530M to the Middle East. Legal experts say the ongoing theft is a potential war crime. https://t.co/GRnn5ormj2 pic.twitter.com/nrn035HJL5

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 3, 2022

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'potential'

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Private PoopyPants said:

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The sub carries this supposed cobalt nuclear torpedo which is designed to detonate offshore. The shaped blast would theoretically cause a massive tsunami of radioactive water to engulf a coastal city. Fun times.

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Theoretically, how massive of a tsunami? 20 feet? 30 feet? 100 feet? What is the yield on that. if you know.

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Theoretically, the tsunami could be over a kilometer high depending on yield and other factors like seafloor geography and distance from the detonation. That being said, the yield is likely far, far lower. The danger in these things is they travel very slowly and don't make much noise so they are difficult to track until they are close to the target and begin their final acceleration pattern before detonation. The cobalt causes increased radioactive fallout in the water. While an underwater detonation largely protects the surface and atmosphere from radiation, the seabed would be contaminated for decades and the radioactive salts would filter through along the coastline along an extended range.

Private PoopyPants said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Private PoopyPants said:

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The sub carries this supposed cobalt nuclear torpedo which is designed to detonate offshore. The shaped blast would theoretically cause a massive tsunami of radioactive water to engulf a coastal city. Fun times.

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Theoretically, how massive of a tsunami? 20 feet? 30 feet? 100 feet? What is the yield on that. if you know.

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Theoretically, the tsunami could be over a kilometer high depending on yield and other factors like seafloor geography and distance from the detonation. That being said, the yield is likely far, far lower. The danger in these things is they travel very slowly and don't make much noise so they are difficult to track until they are close to the target and begin their final acceleration pattern before detonation. The cobalt causes increased radioactive fallout in the water. While an underwater detonation largely protects the surface and atmosphere from radiation, the seabed would be contaminated for decades and the radioactive salts would filter through along the coastline along an extended range.

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I recall the Japanese plant that leaked radioactive water to the sea. Didn't hear anything about it after that.

Private PoopyPants said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Private PoopyPants said:

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The sub carries this supposed cobalt nuclear torpedo which is designed to detonate offshore. The shaped blast would theoretically cause a massive tsunami of radioactive water to engulf a coastal city. Fun times.

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Theoretically, how massive of a tsunami? 20 feet? 30 feet? 100 feet? What is the yield on that. if you know.

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Theoretically, the tsunami could be over a kilometer high depending on yield and other factors like seafloor geography and distance from the detonation. That being said, the yield is likely far, far lower. The danger in these things is they travel very slowly and don't make much noise so they are difficult to track until they are close to the target and begin their final acceleration pattern before detonation. The cobalt causes increased radioactive fallout in the water. While an underwater detonation largely protects the surface and atmosphere from radiation, the seabed would be contaminated for decades and the radioactive salts would filter through along the coastline along an extended range.

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Are the Russians really stupid enough to basically poison the entire Black Sea or the Sea of Azov? They would piss off a lot more people than just the Ukraine, starting with Turkey, Turkey may cut them off completely from using the Bosphorus and Dardanelles Straits …. It would be load gun, ready, aim, SHOOT… foot falls off

Not to also mention if this tsunami did work and went the wrong direction towards all of Turkeys shorelines… Ruskies would essentially screw themselves