***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Russia really trying to prevent a Southern offensive.

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At Avdiivka, Kurakhove, Novopavlivka and Zaporizhzhia directions Russian army shelled Ukrainian positions near Kamyanka, Avdiivka, Krasnohorivka, Novomykhailivka, Kamyanske, Mali Scherbaky, Prechystivka with mortars, howitzers and MLRS. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Novodanylivka and Novoandriivka. Ukrainian military foiled Russian assault attempts near Kamyanka, Novomykhailivka and Vuhledar, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-at-avdiivka-kurakhove-novopavlivka-and-zaporizhzhia

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Russia shelling away in the direction of Bakhmut. One has to wonder if they're ever going to make any progress there. They've been trying for months.

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At Bakhmut direction Russian army shelled Berestove, Kurdyumivka, Vesela Dolina, Soledar, Bakhmut, Vershyna, Travneve and Vuhlehirsk power plant. Russian units attempted to assault Novoluhanske, Semyhirya and Vuhlehirsk power plant. Russian aviation conducted airstrike near Berestove, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-at-bakhmut-direction-russian-army-shelled-berestove
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Russian Su aircraft crashed near Alchevsk overnight, probably was shot down by own air defense
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-russian-su-aircraft-crashed-near-alchevsk-overnight



Smooth, Russia.
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Twin hits in the Kherson region.
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Warehouses with ammunition were hit in missile strike at Raiske village of Kherson Region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-warehouses-with-ammunition-were-hit-in-missile-strike

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Ammunition warehouse was hit in missile strike in Nova Kakhovka of Kherson region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-ammunition-warehouse-was-hit-in-missile-strike-in
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Waffledynamics said:

Have they really been losing their best, though? They've sent in a bunch of conscripts.
You are suggesting that Russia sending conscripts rather than well trained and well equipped troops is a considered decision and they have the option to do otherwise. I don't believe that's true.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2022-06-22/russian-troops-in-ukraine-face-extraordinary-casualty-rates-u-k-intelligence

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The Institute for the Study of War, citing the BBC's Russian service, noted that new Russian recruits receive only three to seven days of training before being sent to "the most active sectors of the front."

The Russians are sending conscripts equipped with antiquated equipment because they have no other option left for conventional forces. Over the course of the war since Feb 24, Russia's front line units and elite units have been suffering a larger percentage of losses.

https://news.yahoo.com/russias-losses-ukraine-many-elite-110931966.html

https://sofrep.com/news/these-are-the-elite-russian-tank-units-taking-most-of-the-casualties-in-ukraine-right-now/

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-air-campaign-struggling-ukraine-war-combat-losses-uk-1718828

It's also very important to take note of the fact that Russian separatists fighting in Luhansk and Donetsk and other areas inside the borders of Ukraine are not being allowed to cross the border into Russia. They are boxed by the Ukrainians to their front and a 'friendly' Russia that is compelling them to fight to the last man.

The RF regular forces were wrecked in the February-April period and you can't replace them quickly. The Russians have increasingly had to rely upon the spring class of conscripts because they have nothing left to send that doesn't weaken their posture on another border. This BBC video about the 331st Regiment VDV, garrisoned 300km north of Moscow, takes a deep dive into how the "best of the best" has been shredded in Ukraine on the northern front before being redeployed to fight in the east around Izyum as a shell of what it was a year ago.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0cj3b7c

Note in that video how they tracked a specific VMV airborne combat vehicle April when it was withdrawn from the northern front to Luhansk in late June. This is a vehicle from an elite unit that has not been replaced and is in horrible condition but still on the front lines.

You may discount it as propaganda but, the intercepted phone call described below indicates that Russia's Western Military District has already been depleted of troops that have been sent to the fight in eastern Ukraine.

https://www.ilovekyiv.org/the-elite-of-the-russian-army-is-almost-completely-destroyed-in-ukraine-the-sbu-intercepted-the-conversation/

Same phone call transcript cited in a different article.

https://news.yahoo.com/armed-forces-ukraine-almost-completely-140900855.html

War is a battle of will. That will is normally exercised be feeding personnel and equipment into the fight and expending them in pursuit of a fractional exchange ratio that causes the enemy to lose his will and quit fighting. The tyrant's trap is that they cannot stop feeding forces into the fight even if the fractional exchange ratio is operating in the enemy's favor because once committed to a foreign campaign the tyrant must win or lose his seat and probably his head. That's the way tyrannical regimes work.

In previous ages, the fighting took place along the battle lines on the front and by some sabotage to supply lines in the enemy's rear. Since WW II, the ability to strike deep in the enemy's rear areas with aircraft and missiles has been used (sometimes successfully) to try and destroy logistical resources and critical infrastructure. It is very telling that the most recent uses of theater ballistic missiles by the Russians are not aimed at military materiel but at the civilian population in Vinnystia and Odesa. These are attempts to break the will of Ukraine by turning the population against the government that is fighting Russia.

When a tipping point happens in a war of attrition it is almost impossible to recognize that a fulcrum has formed on what looks like a flat surface when you are standing on it. The tipping is unnoticeable at first and only becomes obvious some time well after it started and momentum has developed. The early stages of tipping feel exactly like stalemate.

Russia is trying to use the weight of their old military equipment reserves and conscripts drawn from a larger population to turn the momentum in their favor. Ukraine is using a combination of technology and better C2 that is coming from strong supply lines flowing from NATO countries. Putin may not stop until his hoppers are completely empty but I believe he is running his reservoirs dry to try and save himself.
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The Ukrainians need to be more dynamic. It would basically negate the Russian advantage in artillery almost completely because the Russian reaction time is glacially slow. If the Ukrainians kept pushing or moving forces forward and bypassing critical crossroads and such but kept moving on the front, the Russians simply wouldn't have time to target them, and would waste a lot of ammunition bombarding pre-selected targets until their own artillery was located and attacked. I know that requires communication, coordination, fuel, and mobility, but it would cut the Russians to pieces if you could get into their rear areas.
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JFABNRGR said:

74OA said:

Private PoopyPants said:


50,000 casualties may not seem all that much in light of the large size of Russia's army, but the losses are concentrated in front-line units and have attrited a sizeable proportion of the army's best soldiers. We are seeing the impact of that steady loss of field experience and combat skills in the declining performance of Putin's army.


Here are some of their best soldiers in action.

https://funker530.com/video/russian-btr-hit-3-times-by-atgm-as-troops-stand-near/


Must have left their cell phones inside.
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Awesome
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Waffledynamics said:

Have they really been losing their best, though? They've sent in a bunch of conscripts.
My point is Russia's 50K casualties are not evenly spread throughout its very large army, but are concentrated in the comparatively small number of front-line units and so have a disproportionate impact on those unit's combat effectiveness.
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MouthBQ98 said:

The Ukrainians need to be more dynamic. It would basically negate the Russian advantage in artillery almost completely because the Russian reaction time is glacially slow. If the Ukrainians kept pushing or moving forces forward and bypassing critical crossroads and such but kept moving on the front, the Russians simply wouldn't have time to target them, and would waste a lot of ammunition bombarding pre-selected targets until their own artillery was located and attacked. I know that requires communication, coordination, fuel, and mobility, but it would cut the Russians to pieces if you could get into their rear areas.
I think the orc artillery has still been very effective. According to Orynx in the last 30 days they only lose about 1 gun a day, only 298 total lost between towed, self propelled, and MRLS types since war start. The effectiveness of the artillery has allowed orcs to gain AND keep the ground they have taken, albeit slow. Loss of the ammo dumps has certainly put a dent in their capabilities but they are still inflicting heavy losses on UKR. It seems UKR does a much better job destroying armor than counter battery fire. Once supply lines/dumps have been targeted would like to see the HIMARS working in a counter battery role assuming UKR has that capability.

The second video below appears the infantry were targeted by an OP using IR. In the east these are probably now up and down the line in conjunction with drones. UKR no longer has any night advantage if they ever had one. Also of note UKR has lost 9 fixed wing aircraft in the last 10 days.

Loss of another M777.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/w1eg7l/the_loss_of_an_m777_155mm_howitzer_artillery/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Under 4 min target to attack on large UKR unit
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/w1wofs/large_ukrainian_unit_receives_heavy_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

orcs hammer Siversk with artillery
https://funker530.com/video/russians-hammer-siversk-with-artillery-and-tank-fire/
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That is bizarre. Assume there were a fair amount of casualties from that.
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EU approves fifth financial aid package to support Ukraine's military purchases

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-eu-approves-fifth-financial-aid-package-to-support

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Fire after explosion near the gateway of Kakhovska dam
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-fire-after-explosion-near-the-gateway-of-kakhovska



This is upstream of Kherson and could result in some dire consequences downstream if it's blown. Hopefully, for civilians' sakes, it's just the result of an attack on the highway on top.
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943 person were evacuated from occupied parts of Kharkiv region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-943-person-were-evacuated-from-occupied-parts-of
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Interesting. I have not seen a thing about Ukraine losing any aircraft recently except the transport aircraft near Greece.
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JFABNRGR said:

MouthBQ98 said:

The Ukrainians need to be more dynamic. It would basically negate the Russian advantage in artillery almost completely because the Russian reaction time is glacially slow. If the Ukrainians kept pushing or moving forces forward and bypassing critical crossroads and such but kept moving on the front, the Russians simply wouldn't have time to target them, and would waste a lot of ammunition bombarding pre-selected targets until their own artillery was located and attacked. I know that requires communication, coordination, fuel, and mobility, but it would cut the Russians to pieces if you could get into their rear areas.
I think the orc artillery has still been very effective. According to Orynx in the last 30 days they only lose about 1 gun a day, only 298 total lost between towed, self propelled, and MRLS types since war start. The effectiveness of the artillery has allowed orcs to gain AND keep the ground they have taken, albeit slow. Loss of the ammo dumps has certainly put a dent in their capabilities but they are still inflicting heavy losses on UKR. It seems UKR does a much better job destroying armor than counter battery fire. Once supply lines/dumps have been targeted would like to see the HIMARS working in a counter battery role assuming UKR has that capability.

The second video below appears the infantry were targeted by an OP using IR. In the east these are probably now up and down the line in conjunction with drones. UKR no longer has any night advantage if they ever had one. Also of note UKR has lost 9 fixed wing aircraft in the last 10 days.

Loss of another M777.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/w1eg7l/the_loss_of_an_m777_155mm_howitzer_artillery/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Under 4 min target to attack on large UKR unit
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/w1wofs/large_ukrainian_unit_receives_heavy_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

orcs hammer Siversk with artillery
https://funker530.com/video/russians-hammer-siversk-with-artillery-and-tank-fire/
It's hard to watch those knowing you want Ukraine to succeed, but it's an ever important reminder that Ukrainians are dying en masse in this conflict.

My question is: would that second video likely have been a 100% KIA situation for Ukraine, or would they have fortifications that any of them ducked down into and survived? I've been curious about how they would survive some of these breathtaking MLRS and artillery barrages. Would it be typical to build underground trench structures that would withstand some of the fire? I recall that this sort of elaborate entrenching did occur in World War One at times, but I would imagine modern weaponry may make that idea sort of obsolete.
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Waffledynamics said:

JFABNRGR said:

MouthBQ98 said:

The Ukrainians need to be more dynamic. It would basically negate the Russian advantage in artillery almost completely because the Russian reaction time is glacially slow. If the Ukrainians kept pushing or moving forces forward and bypassing critical crossroads and such but kept moving on the front, the Russians simply wouldn't have time to target them, and would waste a lot of ammunition bombarding pre-selected targets until their own artillery was located and attacked. I know that requires communication, coordination, fuel, and mobility, but it would cut the Russians to pieces if you could get into their rear areas.
I think the orc artillery has still been very effective. According to Orynx in the last 30 days they only lose about 1 gun a day, only 298 total lost between towed, self propelled, and MRLS types since war start. The effectiveness of the artillery has allowed orcs to gain AND keep the ground they have taken, albeit slow. Loss of the ammo dumps has certainly put a dent in their capabilities but they are still inflicting heavy losses on UKR. It seems UKR does a much better job destroying armor than counter battery fire. Once supply lines/dumps have been targeted would like to see the HIMARS working in a counter battery role assuming UKR has that capability.

The second video below appears the infantry were targeted by an OP using IR. In the east these are probably now up and down the line in conjunction with drones. UKR no longer has any night advantage if they ever had one. Also of note UKR has lost 9 fixed wing aircraft in the last 10 days.

Loss of another M777.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/w1eg7l/the_loss_of_an_m777_155mm_howitzer_artillery/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Under 4 min target to attack on large UKR unit
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/w1wofs/large_ukrainian_unit_receives_heavy_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

orcs hammer Siversk with artillery
https://funker530.com/video/russians-hammer-siversk-with-artillery-and-tank-fire/
It's hard to watch those knowing you want Ukraine to succeed, but it's an ever important reminder that Ukrainians are dying en masse in this conflict.

My question is: would that second video likely have been a 100% KIA situation for Ukraine, or would they have fortifications that any of them ducked down into and survived? I've been curious about how they would survive some of these breathtaking MLRS and artillery barrages. Would it be typical to build underground trench structures that would withstand some of the fire? I recall that this sort of elaborate entrenching did occur in World War One at times, but I would imagine modern weaponry may make that idea sort of obsolete.
Depends on the ordinance. Being underground can protect you from quite a bit. Most of the stuff the Russians are firing isn't intended for hitting underground protection. That doesn't mean if it's poorly constructed or hit just right that the fortification won't help. Difficult and time consuming to build in an active zone.
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aezmvp said:

Waffledynamics said:

JFABNRGR said:

MouthBQ98 said:

The Ukrainians need to be more dynamic. It would basically negate the Russian advantage in artillery almost completely because the Russian reaction time is glacially slow. If the Ukrainians kept pushing or moving forces forward and bypassing critical crossroads and such but kept moving on the front, the Russians simply wouldn't have time to target them, and would waste a lot of ammunition bombarding pre-selected targets until their own artillery was located and attacked. I know that requires communication, coordination, fuel, and mobility, but it would cut the Russians to pieces if you could get into their rear areas.
I think the orc artillery has still been very effective. According to Orynx in the last 30 days they only lose about 1 gun a day, only 298 total lost between towed, self propelled, and MRLS types since war start. The effectiveness of the artillery has allowed orcs to gain AND keep the ground they have taken, albeit slow. Loss of the ammo dumps has certainly put a dent in their capabilities but they are still inflicting heavy losses on UKR. It seems UKR does a much better job destroying armor than counter battery fire. Once supply lines/dumps have been targeted would like to see the HIMARS working in a counter battery role assuming UKR has that capability.

The second video below appears the infantry were targeted by an OP using IR. In the east these are probably now up and down the line in conjunction with drones. UKR no longer has any night advantage if they ever had one. Also of note UKR has lost 9 fixed wing aircraft in the last 10 days.

Loss of another M777.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/w1eg7l/the_loss_of_an_m777_155mm_howitzer_artillery/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Under 4 min target to attack on large UKR unit
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/w1wofs/large_ukrainian_unit_receives_heavy_russian/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

orcs hammer Siversk with artillery
https://funker530.com/video/russians-hammer-siversk-with-artillery-and-tank-fire/
It's hard to watch those knowing you want Ukraine to succeed, but it's an ever important reminder that Ukrainians are dying en masse in this conflict.

My question is: would that second video likely have been a 100% KIA situation for Ukraine, or would they have fortifications that any of them ducked down into and survived? I've been curious about how they would survive some of these breathtaking MLRS and artillery barrages. Would it be typical to build underground trench structures that would withstand some of the fire? I recall that this sort of elaborate entrenching did occur in World War One at times, but I would imagine modern weaponry may make that idea sort of obsolete.
Depends on the ordinance. Being underground can protect you from quite a bit. Most of the stuff the Russians are firing isn't intended for hitting underground protection. That doesn't mean if it's poorly constructed or hit just right that the fortification won't help. Difficult and time consuming to build in an active zone.
The bolded is what I'm really wondering about. We know the Ukrainians have fallen back on numerous occasions to other defensive lines. One would think these defensive lines would have more robust defenses, perhaps such underground structures, if they're effective.
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I hadn't seen this, but it was reported on LiveUaMap 10 hours ago.

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Russian Defense Minister Shoigu visited "Vostok" grouping of troops, met with commander Rustam Muradov
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-russian-defense-minister-shoigu-visited-vostok-grouping



Interesting. Rustam Muradov is Deputy Commander of the Southern Military District. I can only find this on sketchy sources, but it seems Muradov may have been given command of Russians in Eastern Ukraine.
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It appears to me this infantry unit of at least 15+ with at least one dog was trying to get into the town or structures from which the orc OP/spotter is at, while under the cover of darkness. There were NO trenches or structures along this road they simply got as low as they could get on the ground around them. Those in the back 2/3 of the formation certainly took heavy losses.

It does appear (at least up until video ends) that those in the front would have survived (1 does appear injured from the initial volley), but this would have been known to the spotter as well and we don't know if they shifted fire or attacked with small arms fire. Sadly there is a good chance no one in that patrol survived any longer than the next day.

Underground with overhead cover is for sure the best place to be during artillery strike but even then no guarantees. Underground without overhead cover next best. These did not appear to be air burst and to date I have seen little use of air burst from either side. It is my understanding from Ulysses and articles that triggers on air burst rounds have short shelf lives and unreliable.

It should not be too hard to figure out where this was filmed from. I wouldn't still be there or would have even posted this until after the war but who knows maybe the orcs in that OP just received UKR counter fire.
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The Russians in the second video appear to have had that location pre-sighted and were waiting to ambush any Ukes that approached.

I'm no soldier but I've observed small unit training and the infantry soldiers would disperse to minimize the risks of indirect fire. They would spread to where they could observe hand signs of basically 2 individuals in any direction. In heavy vegetation this could be quite close but over open terrain it wasn't uncommon to see individuals in a fire team spread 20-30 meters apart from each other. Walking in single file lines was used in areas with mines or when trying to hide troop counts from later detection (having a scout counting tracks left in the snow, etc.)

I can only assume that the Ukes in that second video thought they were either out of artillery range or protected by darkness with no night vision of their own.
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I think you're wrong on the no protection. It sure looked like they dove into a ditch.
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I think they initially had ok disbursement in their file. We don't know how much natural illumination there was. It may have been pitch black. The vegetation in the fields doesn't appear to thick since the dog is mostly visible in his chaotic runs. Those rounds appear to me as HE, one or two air burst fragmentation would have decimated them right off.

Our SOP would not to have permitted walking along a linear danger area like that road unless there was no other better choice. Then under artillery fire, a verbal command given by the Platoon Leader as simple as 1'Oclock 800M. As fast as you can, going from prone to sprint to prone to sprint as long as your life lasted until you reached the rally point which may have had additional instruction to continue evading. Fortunately I only had to do this once for real and that was from our own F15s dropping on us in Eglin since somebody at Range Control screwed up big time...that command was leave everything go 1000M 3 O'clock.
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most roads have ditches. my words were as low as the ground around them would allow. This includes a ditch. That said I pray that I am wrong, your right in that they did find protection and most or all of them did survive.
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President Zelensky: 28 officials to be fired from Security Service of Ukraine
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-president-zelensky-28-officials-to-be-fired-from
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Explosions reported in Odesa region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/18-july-explosions-reported-in-odesa-region


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4 people wounded, 2 houses are still on fire, 2 completely destroyed as result of missile strikes in Odesa region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/19-july-4-people-wounded-2-houses-are-still-on-fire-2-completely

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What a virtuous country. Our banks are allowed to accept all customers ... but not our hospitals.

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Waffledynamics said:




Hopefully it's something that will rain hell on the Russian invaders!
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JFABNRGR said:

I think they initially had ok disbursement in their file. We don't know how much natural illumination there was. It may have been pitch black. The vegetation in the fields doesn't appear to thick since the dog is mostly visible in his chaotic runs. Those rounds appear to me as HE, one or two air burst fragmentation would have decimated them right off.

Our SOP would not to have permitted walking along a linear danger area like that road unless there was no other better choice. Then under artillery fire, a verbal command given by the Platoon Leader as simple as 1'Oclock 800M. As fast as you can, going from prone to sprint to prone to sprint as long as your life lasted until you reached the rally point which may have had additional instruction to continue evading. Fortunately I only had to do this once for real and that was from our own F15s dropping on us in Eglin since somebody at Range Control screwed up big time...that command was leave everything go 1000M 3 O'clock.
I hope you or someone in your company bloodied up the range master when you got back.
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benchmark said:

What a virtuous country. Our banks are allowed to accept all customers ... but not our hospitals.




Not surprising for a neutral country
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GAC06 said:

Not surprising for a neutral country
There's nothing more neutral than the Hippocratic oath.
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MouthBQ98 said:

JFABNRGR said:

74OA said:

Private PoopyPants said:


50,000 casualties may not seem all that much in light of the large size of Russia's army, but the losses are concentrated in front-line units and have attrited a sizeable proportion of the army's best soldiers. We are seeing the impact of that steady loss of field experience and combat skills in the declining performance of Putin's army.


Here are some of their best soldiers in action.

https://funker530.com/video/russian-btr-hit-3-times-by-atgm-as-troops-stand-near/


Must have left their cell phones inside.
Now that's some low IQ Russians right there .. who stands around waiting for rounds 2 and 3 to hit them … real dumb
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Waffledynamics said:

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Fire after explosion near the gateway of Kakhovska dam
This is upstream of Kherson and could result in some dire consequences downstream if it's blown. Hopefully, for civilians' sakes, it's just the result of an attack on the highway on top.
Busting the dam is extremely unlikely. It will be interesting if we get to the see the after-strike result. The explosion is on the south bank and very near where the RR and Hwy neck down to a single bridge crossing over a 60 ft wide river canal. There are also a few warehouses and buildings nearby.

ETA Link: Google Maps Street View
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I've treated murderers, prisoners convicted of all sorts of crimes, and over 10K illegal aliens. Every single one of them deserved care.

It's unethical and immoral to let someone suffer on political grounds.
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