***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Waffledynamics said:



Edit: It won't show because it's a Shorts format, but it's HIMARS launching.


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Explosion at military warehouses at Topaz plant in Donetsk
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-explosion-at-military-warehouses-at-topaz-plant-in



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Fire after shelling at Kamaz Center in Donetsk
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-fire-after-shelling-at-kamaz-center-in-donetsk



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The Bryansk Governor says Zernovo village on the border of Ukraine was shelled
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-the-bryansk-governor-says-zernovo-village-on-the-border
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Ukrainian military repelled Russian attacks at Bilohorivka, Luhansk region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-ukrainian-military-repelled-russian-attacks-at-bilohorivka

What the heck are they still doing there?

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MouthBQ98 said:

Mobile enough, but it doesn't need to go off-road. It just needs to keep moving frequently enough to not be easily targeted itself, and roads are much more suitable for that.
The chassis is a pretty standard 5-ton design produced by multiple OEMs, which is a solid truck, but then you add an armored cab, a Lockheed launch module, and a pod of rockets... it gets heavy fast.

So, just like every other heavy wheeled military vehicle; in dry conditions you have significant freedom of movement and in wet/soft conditions you're pretty much confined to MSRs.
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Fire at central market in Sloviansk as result of shelling
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-fire-at-central-market-in-sloviansk-as-result-of-shelling



Depending on the shells, is there any defense aside from taking the offense to the launchers? Ukraine basically doesn't seem to have any response to this other than to wait and suffer it out.
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This was posted 8 hours ago on LiveUaMap as I make this post. It sounds like Russia did a lot of shelling on the Mykolaiv/Kherson front. Hopefully they're feeling more pain from this Uke counteroffensive than the Ukes.

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At Pivdenny Buh direction Russian artillery shelled Lupareve, Myrne, Shevchenkove, Chervona Dolyna, Kobzartsi, Partyzanske, Bereznehuvate, Topolyne, Ivanivka, Potiomkyne, Kniazivka, Dobrianka, Trudolyubivka and Osokorivka. Ka-52 helicopters conducted airstrikes near Zarichne and Olhyne, - General Staff of Armed Forces of Ukraine says in the morning report
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-at-pivdenny-buh-direction-russian-artillery-shelled

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Waffledynamics said:

I'm noticing that some of these pictures and videos have the HIMARS firing from roads. Is that the only way to transport them, or are they mobile offroad? I get that the roads are efficient, but I am concerned that this may also make them more easily discoverable and targetable.
It has considerable off-road capability, just not the all-weather, rugged terrain capability of a tracked vehicle. "The high-mobility artillery rocket system carries a single six-pack of rockets on the army's family of medium tactical vehicles (FMTV) 6X6 all-wheel drive 5t truck."
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Waffledynamics said:

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Ukrainian military repelled Russian attacks at Bilohorivka, Luhansk region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-ukrainian-military-repelled-russian-attacks-at-bilohorivka

What the heck are they still doing there?


Probably a rear guard action at the river.
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Could you explain this for a layman? It just seems like they'd easily get encircled.

Are they just keeping the Russians back from an ongoing retreat by the main defense?
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One of the hardest to execute actions is a strategic retreat. It takes a lot of time, effort, and communication to pull all your people and equipment out. And if the enemy knows, they're going to try and hit you while you are weak.

So you have to keep a fighting element in place between the retreat operations and the enemy to buy space and time so you don't get overrun and lose people / equipment. See us pulling out of Afghanistan as what can happen if it isn't planned / executed well.

I'm not an expert though. I'm sure there's some guys here that can give you better insight.
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North flank is protected by a larger river.
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The older M270 is on a tracked chassis that would have better mobility off road but would consume more fuel while going slower on pavef roads. The logistical tail of M142 HIMARS is less than forthe M270s which matters a lot to Ukraine.
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Wait, what does this mean, exactly? The Ukrainian bureaucracy was getting in the way of reinforcements, or is it related to martial law?
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President Zelensky demands explanation from General Staff on prohibition of movements of men between regions without enrollment office approval. Asks not to make such decisions without him
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-president-zelensky-demands-explanation-from-general
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Waffledynamics said:

Wait, what does this mean, exactly? The Ukrainian bureaucracy was getting in the way of reinforcements, or is it related to martial law?
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President Zelensky demands explanation from General Staff on prohibition of movements of men between regions without enrollment office approval. Asks not to make such decisions without him
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-president-zelensky-demands-explanation-from-general
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Waffledynamics said:

Wait, what does this mean, exactly? The Ukrainian bureaucracy was getting in the way of reinforcements, or is it related to martial law?
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President Zelensky demands explanation from General Staff on prohibition of movements of men between regions without enrollment office approval. Asks not to make such decisions without him
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-president-zelensky-demands-explanation-from-general
Perhaps the military wants to restrict the travel of men attempting to evade military service. Or perhaps it is concerned about Russian sympathizers traveling the country gathering intel on Ukrainian military dispositions. <shrug>
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74OA said:

Waffledynamics said:

Wait, what does this mean, exactly? The Ukrainian bureaucracy was getting in the way of reinforcements, or is it related to martial law?
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President Zelensky demands explanation from General Staff on prohibition of movements of men between regions without enrollment office approval. Asks not to make such decisions without him
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-president-zelensky-demands-explanation-from-general
Perhaps the military wants to restrict the travel of men attempting to evade military service. Or perhaps it is concerned about Russian sympathizers traveling the country gathering intel on Ukrainian military dispositions. <shrug>
Old system of full accountability before movement is probably my guess. I am sure it is necessary in some regards but when it gets in the way of tactical deployments in time critical operations.....

As above, I suspect that it is just red tape that is not conducive to flexibility when it is needed most. I imagine the turnover rates of frontline units are enormous and expected reinforcements are not reaching the units in time.

My take at least.
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Eliminatus said:

74OA said:

Waffledynamics said:

Wait, what does this mean, exactly? The Ukrainian bureaucracy was getting in the way of reinforcements, or is it related to martial law?
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President Zelensky demands explanation from General Staff on prohibition of movements of men between regions without enrollment office approval. Asks not to make such decisions without him
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-president-zelensky-demands-explanation-from-general
Perhaps the military wants to restrict the travel of men attempting to evade military service. Or perhaps it is concerned about Russian sympathizers traveling the country gathering intel on Ukrainian military dispositions. <shrug>
Old system of full accountability before movement is probably my guess. I am sure it is necessary in some regards but when it gets in the way of tactical deployments in time critical operations.....

As above, I suspect that it is just red tape that is not conducive to flexibility when it is needed most. I imagine the turnover rates of frontline units are enormous and expected reinforcements are not reaching the units in time.

My take at least.
Perhaps. I doubt the general staff is impeding the movement of military units or reinforcements, but control over civilian movement is generally a routine security requirement in any active theater of war. That's what this feels like to me because Zelensky has reportedly been very hands-off on strictly military matters since this thing started. Knowing what the "enrollment office's" mission is would likely answer the question.
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Today's SITREP.
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Flooding in Lviv as result of heavy rain
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/5-july-flooding-in-lviv-as-result-of-heavy-rain

I wonder if this postpones any action from Belarus if they're thinking about getting in on the action.

https://t.me/dumskaya_net/40334
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Interesting he says he has a large contingent of followers in Russia.
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Ukrainian air defense shot down several Russian missiles over Odesa region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-july-ukrainian-air-defense-shot-down-several-russian-missiles
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Whoa, ISW's Kremlin assessment in their opening paragraphs is bone chilling. Scary stuff because Ukraine's problem seems bigger than Putin ... it's systemic. LINK
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Patrushev's statement suggests that Russian military leadership will continue to push for advances outside Donetsk and Luhansk blasts and that the Kremlin is preparing for a protracted war with the intention of taking much larger portions of Ukraine.
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Girkin and Miroshnik's statements, taken together, indicate that Russian nationalists continue to push for further territorial gains and, at least in Girkin's case, full-scale regime change and the incorporation of most of Ukraine into Russia. Patrushev's statement suggests that Kremlin thinking may not be that far removed from these extremist nationalist ambitions.
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benchmark said:

Whoa, ISW's Kremlin assessment in their opening paragraphs is bone chilling. Scary stuff because Ukraine's problem seems bigger than Putin ... it's systemic. LINK
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Patrushev's statement suggests that Russian military leadership will continue to push for advances outside Donetsk and Luhansk blasts and that the Kremlin is preparing for a protracted war with the intention of taking much larger portions of Ukraine.
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Girkin and Miroshnik's statements, taken together, indicate that Russian nationalists continue to push for further territorial gains and, at least in Girkin's case, full-scale regime change and the incorporation of most of Ukraine into Russia. Patrushev's statement suggests that Kremlin thinking may not be that far removed from these extremist nationalist ambitions.



It's been the goal from minute one. The only surprise to me is how little that goal has changed to present. If at all. They want it all. And they still think they can get it all, even after 130 days of back and forth war.

I still don't see the Ukes capitulating any time soon and Russia is flat out saying they are going to keep going so looks like this war is just going to grind on ...
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Eliminatus said:

It's been the goal from minute one. The only surprise to me is how little that goal has changed to present. If at all. They want it all. And they still think they can get it all, even after 130 days of back and forth war.
Given their heavy losses, it was hoped Russia would lower their initial goal and 'settle' for Luhansk, Donetsk, and a Crimean land bridge. Basically, the war would then devolve into a uneasy stalemate with artillery duels and inconsequential offensives and counteroffensives. That may not be the case and any future 'pause' may be just that.
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The eastern portion of Ukraine does not satisfy the geopolitical imperatives that prompted this war. They have to get all the way to Moldova.
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The Ukrainian Nazis aren't only in the east???
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Twitter folks are saying this is the 7th exec to mysteriously die since the war began.
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The gains of corruption are being re-routed to more ruthless persons.
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Is the Russian culmination near? Russia has gained only about 0.3% of new Ukrainian territory in the last six weeks of war in the Donbas.

The orcs lost the battle for Kiev because they had long supply lines that were cut off and harassed. In Donbas they have had shorter supply lines and took territory by shelling cities and occupying the rubble. The reported ratio of Russian artillery fire to Ukrainian response is in the range of 18:1 to 45:1, but now Russia has resorted to shipping in ammo from Belarus to fill their stockpiles





They supported their heavy fire with deliveries via rail in the east and from Crimea, and they set up their depots near railways. Finally with the arrival of the HIMARS, the last week has seen consistent, numerous reports of ammunition depots being blown up. Ukraine has plenty of civilian assets behind Russian lines that locate the stockpiles for their artillery.



This thread outlines how Russia will now have keep the depots farther back, lengthening their supply lines and depending on a battered truck fleet.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1544495879884886017.html
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Whats the death count for Ukrainians?
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Waffledynamics
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TommyBrady said:

Whats the death count for Ukrainians?
No way to know for sure, but it's probably pretty high for both sides.
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Explosions continue at Azotny in Donetsk
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-july-explosions-continue-at-azotny-in-donetsk



Edit:

Not sure if this is the same fire, but this update just showed up on LiveUaMap at about 10:30 Central US Time:


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Fire at oil depot in Donetsk
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-july-fire-at-oil-depot-in-donetsk

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Following Zelensky's demand earlier:

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General Staff of Ukraine withdraw the document that restricts movements of conscription-eligible men between regions of Ukraine
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/6-july-general-staff-of-ukraine-withdraw-the-document-that
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