***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Ulysses90 said:

There was some commentary early in the war about how the success of the TB2 was surprising evidence that they could operate in a GPS denied environment. I don't know the extent to which that's true.

The TB2 did not start out as a long range drone but ut may have become one thanks to StarLink. The Bayraktars have a similar cruising speed, payload, ceiling, and >20 hours loitering time that puts it in the same class as a Predator (at abouthalftheprice). What it lacked was a satellite C2 link that is difficult to jam. Starlink may have provided that.

It is certainly true that Ukraine doesn't have as many Bayraktars as they need and that the need to return to base to rearm is its own logistical challenge. They are also very vulnerable to SAMs.

Would that there was a cheap decoy with a similar radar profile to a Bayraktar that could be used in large numbers to soak up the reserves of Russian SAMs.
I've thought about this as well. Here's an excerpt on how the SAM identifies targets…

"The missiles look for the infrared light (heat) produced by the target airplane's engines and track the airplane by following that light. The missiles also identify the UV "shadow" of the target and use that identification to distinguish the target from other heat-producing objects."

To your point, if there was some kind of a mock-up which would have an active engine signature with a similar (winglike) shadow or even a way to fly at altitude and jettison a bunch of these decoys (cheap drones etc.) - you could really muck things up for the Russian SAMs.

Force them to expend munitions that cost $1000 to destroy something that cost $10, relatively speaking. But of course, if it worked - expect them to try the same against the Ukes, albeit while facing supply constraints due to sanctions.
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Russia's economy isn't thriving. That's all I'll say
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Interesting comments from Lavrov.

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Most irrational; that dude!
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RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.
I found his comments fallacious and repulsive ... curious what you found interesting?
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benchmark said:

RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.
I found his comments fallacious and repulsive ... curious what you found interesting?


There is no diplomatic negotiating room with the UK, he considers foreign soldiers to be mercs, etc. the comments can be repulsive and interesting at the same time.
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RebelE91 said:

benchmark said:

RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.
I found his comments fallacious and repulsive ... curious what you found interesting?


There is no diplomatic negotiating room with the UK, he considers foreign soldiers to be mercs, etc. the comments can be repulsive and interesting at the same time.
So he is ok with Ukraine just executing anybody they capture from Wagner?
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txags92 said:

RebelE91 said:

benchmark said:

RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.
I found his comments fallacious and repulsive ... curious what you found interesting?


There is no diplomatic negotiating room with the UK, he considers foreign soldiers to be mercs, etc. the comments can be repulsive and interesting at the same time.
So he is ok with Ukraine just executing anybody they capture from Wagner?
and Syrians, Chechnens, Belarussians, etc
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txags92 said:

RebelE91 said:

benchmark said:

RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.
I found his comments fallacious and repulsive ... curious what you found interesting?


There is no diplomatic negotiating room with the UK, he considers foreign soldiers to be mercs, etc. the comments can be repulsive and interesting at the same time.
So he is ok with Ukraine just executing anybody they capture from Wagner?


Actually he is perfectly ok with their enemy killing their own, hell over their entire history russians have no problem killing their own.
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Denys's videos are incredibly informative. They're a must watch for strategic updates.
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RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.


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Australia continues to pitch in. APCs
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Ukrainian military launched missile strikes on the drilling rigs "Petro Godovanets" and "Ukraine", which in 2014 were stolen by the Russian troops, rigs conducted drilling in exclusive maritime economical zone of Ukraine


https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/20-june-ukrainian-military-launched-missile-strikes-on-the
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I just got done re-listening to Dan Carlin Ghosts of the Ostfront podcast; originally released in 2009. Its about Operation Barbarossa and the ensuing war between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

It is scary how similar what happened 80 years ago seems to be repeating itself today in the exact same place. Absolute horror.
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Texicurean said:

I just got done re-listening to Dan Carlin Ghosts of the Ostfront podcast; originally released in 2009. Its about Operation Barbarossa and the ensuing war between Soviet Union and Nazi Germany.

It is scary how similar what happened 80 years ago seems to be repeating itself today in the exact same place. Absolute horror.



Except the tens of millions of people dying?

Love Dan Carlin though. His Mongol series back in the day was fascinating
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EX TEXASEX said:

RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.



"as a country that is sacrificing the interests of its people for the sake of political ambitions"

LOL that is what this POS said of the United Kingdom.
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Russia warned NATO member Lithuania on Monday that unless the transit of goods to Russia's Kaliningrad exclave on the Baltic Sea was swiftly restored then Moscow would take undisclosed measures to defend its national interests.

With east-west relations at a half-century low over Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Vilnius banned the transit of goods sanctioned by the European Union through Lithuanian territory to and from the exclave, citing EU sanction rules.
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Russia's foreign ministry summoned Lithuania's top envoy in Moscow to deliver a protest while the Kremlin said the situation was beyond serious.

"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."

Russia's foreign ministry demanded Vilnius reverse what it cast as an "openly hostile" move immediately.
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Kaliningrad has ports on the Baltic. Why is the railway that important? Unless they want build up troops and weapons there?
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aggiehawg said:

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Russia warned NATO member Lithuania on Monday that unless the transit of goods to Russia's Kaliningrad exclave on the Baltic Sea was swiftly restored then Moscow would take undisclosed measures to defend its national interests.

With east-west relations at a half-century low over Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Vilnius banned the transit of goods sanctioned by the European Union through Lithuanian territory to and from the exclave, citing EU sanction rules.
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Russia's foreign ministry summoned Lithuania's top envoy in Moscow to deliver a protest while the Kremlin said the situation was beyond serious.

"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."

Russia's foreign ministry demanded Vilnius reverse what it cast as an "openly hostile" move immediately.
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Kaliningrad has ports on the Baltic. Why is the railway that important? Unless they want build up troops and weapons there?
*Cough* Berlin airlift. *Cough Cough*
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aezmvp said:

aggiehawg said:

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"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."
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Russia's foreign ministry demanded Vilnius reverse what it cast as an "openly hostile" move immediately.
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Kaliningrad has ports on the Baltic. Why is the railway that important? Unless they want build up troops and weapons there?
*Cough* Berlin airlift. *Cough Cough*
"Its a Violations of everything" says orc spokesperson Pescov.

cough ****ing cough
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JFABNRGR said:

aezmvp said:

aggiehawg said:

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"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."
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Russia's foreign ministry demanded Vilnius reverse what it cast as an "openly hostile" move immediately.
Link

Kaliningrad has ports on the Baltic. Why is the railway that important? Unless they want build up troops and weapons there?
*Cough* Berlin airlift. *Cough Cough*
"Its a Violations of everything" says orc spokesperson Pescov.

cough ****ing cough
The orcs should have considered the side effects of violating every agreement they had with Ukraine about not attacking...
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aezmvp said:

aggiehawg said:

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Russia warned NATO member Lithuania on Monday that unless the transit of goods to Russia's Kaliningrad exclave on the Baltic Sea was swiftly restored then Moscow would take undisclosed measures to defend its national interests.

With east-west relations at a half-century low over Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Vilnius banned the transit of goods sanctioned by the European Union through Lithuanian territory to and from the exclave, citing EU sanction rules.
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Russia's foreign ministry summoned Lithuania's top envoy in Moscow to deliver a protest while the Kremlin said the situation was beyond serious.

"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."

Russia's foreign ministry demanded Vilnius reverse what it cast as an "openly hostile" move immediately.
Link

Kaliningrad has ports on the Baltic. Why is the railway that important? Unless they want build up troops and weapons there?
*Cough* Berlin airlift. *Cough Cough*
East Germany never shut it's airspace during the Berlin Airlift. Lithuania has already closed its airspace so Russia now has to move people and goods from St. Petersburg via ferry or fly a long circuitous route.
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Ukraine striking at sea again. HARPOONS?
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lb3 said:

aezmvp said:

aggiehawg said:

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Russia warned NATO member Lithuania on Monday that unless the transit of goods to Russia's Kaliningrad exclave on the Baltic Sea was swiftly restored then Moscow would take undisclosed measures to defend its national interests.

With east-west relations at a half-century low over Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine, Vilnius banned the transit of goods sanctioned by the European Union through Lithuanian territory to and from the exclave, citing EU sanction rules.
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Russia's foreign ministry summoned Lithuania's top envoy in Moscow to deliver a protest while the Kremlin said the situation was beyond serious.

"The situation is more than serious," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "This decision is really unprecedented. It's a violation of everything."

Russia's foreign ministry demanded Vilnius reverse what it cast as an "openly hostile" move immediately.
Link

Kaliningrad has ports on the Baltic. Why is the railway that important? Unless they want build up troops and weapons there?
*Cough* Berlin airlift. *Cough Cough*
East Germany never shut it's airspace during the Berlin Airlift. Lithuania has already closed its airspace so Russia now has to move people and goods from St. Petersburg via ferry or fly a long circuitous route.


6 one way, half a dozen the other. The West had to fly into Berlin because the Russians blockaded all other transit. Now the Russians have to sail into Kaliningrad or make a really long flight around closed airspace. They still have more access than the West did with Berlin, they're just being crybabies about it.
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Relations between Russia and its former satellites is getting sporty.
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EastSideAg2002 said:

txags92 said:

RebelE91 said:

benchmark said:

RebelE91 said:

Interesting comments from Lavrov.
I found his comments fallacious and repulsive ... curious what you found interesting?


There is no diplomatic negotiating room with the UK, he considers foreign soldiers to be mercs, etc. the comments can be repulsive and interesting at the same time.
So he is ok with Ukraine just executing anybody they capture from Wagner?
and Syrians, Chechnens, Belarussians, etc


Did you guys forget that this is a WAR!? in war, do what you want to do. If you lose, then you are screwed.

It's like you people think there are rules of engagement imposed on everyone!

No! This is war. Civilized warfare exists between mutual combatants who have agreed to those terms. This is not the case here. This is Russia fighting Ukraine.

Do you think anyone will be brought to trial for war crimes? How do you do that against a nuclear armed country? Russia will continue to do what they want. They will operate outside of convention because nobody is going to hold them accountable. We have already done all we can do without actively going to war against them, and it didn't phase them.


One last time, I'll say to you that Russia can do as they please, because there is NO chance we are going to call their bluff.
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Ukraine has permanently banned the opposition party.

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GinMan said:


Ukraine has permanently banned the opposition party.


Certain parties have always been a Russian fifth column, not simply the political opposition.

Any party still acting on Russia's behalf after what it has done should be banned.
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Good read. The problem with a Russian 'settlement' ... Russia has broken almost every international agreement they've made in the last 30 yrs. They have no credibility.

Should Ukraine Settle with Russia?
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By centering Putin's emotional state, it is possible that analysts are letting Moscow drive U.S., Europe, and Ukraine interests. Having your own strongly and clearly articulated position is the best safeguard against this. But while the settlers say plenty about what the U.S., Europe, and Ukraine should not do, they offer scant details about what these actors should want in return. Simply avoiding costs imposed by your opponent could risk subsuming your interests to theirs. Ironically quoting Kissinger, Finnish President Sauli Niinistö observed, "whenever avoidance of war has been the primary objective of a group of powers, the international system has been at the mercy of its most ruthless member."
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They probably had to do this, even though it is undemocratic in a way. The Russians have a well practiced system of penetrating provocateurs and political subversives into neighboring territories they want to assume, then gradually bribing and intimidating their preferred supporters into a very undemocratic local power like the mob would, then increasingly pushing for localized autonomy as they push out or repress anyone who might oppose the Russification of that area. Then they get active anti government guerilla forces and separatists into armed conflict with the government, and have that region declare an independence and their own government, which is really a puppet of Russia.

That is what they've been systematically doing for 30 years trying to get back parts of the Soviet Union.
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