Can someone tell me what munitions are being used by the Russians in this video?
Are they from a TOS-1? Hypersonic missiles?

I have to wonder what progress is being made in cities like Severodonetsk. Both sides have to be taking heavy losses. Ukraine has acknowledged this. Russia will not acknowledge this, most likely, but their losses are likely just as severe, if not far worse.

If you're Ukraine, would you trade lives for time? It seems they're desperately trying to hold onto this dead city to slow the Russian advance long enough to get more Western weapons to the line. I cannot imagine the intense bravery required of those men. I could never do it.

In the meantime, I'm eagerly awaiting further news about the offensive from Mykolaiv to Kherson. Speak The Truth shows a wide, massive offensive. It just isn't sweeping across the land like Russia in the East, but as I understand, it isn't as easy to do in the Southwest.

Update: BBC

Hopefully, after they view the carnage firsthand we'll see more action from them.

It's symbolic of course to hold a large city, but also it is a good defensive position that can be used to inflict major losses until threats of envelopment become too great.

#Severodonetsk - #Russian forces have claimed significant progress in the city today. RuAF claims to have captured the N bridge and to be close to capturing the middle one. This could isolate #UAF in the industrial zone from supplies and reinforcements, forcing their withdrawal. pic.twitter.com/nVS1Fi2QBC

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Izyum Axis - It is confirmed that #Ukrainian forces bridged the Donets River in the vicinity of Protopopivka & are operating in the forests W of Izyum. We have not seen evidence to support the Izyum City Council statement that Zavody, Spivakivka & Prydonets'ke were liberated. pic.twitter.com/NnJlSDEXKc

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Kharkiv Axis - #Russian forces have declared the start of a new offensive to attack Kharkiv city. The short term objective is to capture the #Ukrainian defenses in Dementiivka and Rus'ka Lozova. There is reported fighting in Prudyanka, indicating that RU has recaptured Tsupivka. pic.twitter.com/mjNlkSnMSB

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Kherson Axis - #Ukrainian forces have launched a counterattack aimed at pushing #Russian forces back to Kherson. Russian & Ukrainian sources both confirmed that #UAF is attacking Pravdyne, towards Tomyna Balka and along the Mykolaiv - Kherson Highway. Artillery duels continues. pic.twitter.com/p9kCwYWacl

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

This is what it's going to be moving forward until someone breaks out. Lots of give and take. Ukraine could lose a battle in the north and win a battle in the south on the same day. The next day the opposite.

It's probably fitting its Ukraine and Russia as this could dissolve into something similar to the easter front of WW2.

More aid on the way. PACKAGE

"About 400 artillery pieces, not counting rocket artillery, have either reached Ukraine or are promised."

"GEN. MILLEY: So on the -- on your question of the Donbas, but on the numbers, just real quick. I'm not sure where the number -- what you're referring to, but I've talked to General Zaluzhnyi, and we get lists. These are official requests from their Department of Defense. They asked for 10 battalions of artillery; 12 battalions of artillery were delivered. Again, I'd say 97,000 antitank systems. That's more anti-tank systems than tanks in the world. They asked for 200 tanks; they got 237 tanks. They asked for 100 infantry fighting vehicles; they got over 300. We've delivered, roughly speaking, 1,600 or so air defense systems and about 60,000 air defense rounds. This is -- when I say "us", I mean the international community. You're looking at 260 artillery tube systems. Either rocket or tube artillery have been already delivered. There's 383 committed, and like I said, almost half a million rounds of artillery."

REMARKS

There's no smoke on that thing. Watching that second vid I saw it in a frame right behind the helicopter, but there's no smoke AT ALL.

I've been intrigued by this possibility for quite a while. I don't know if it would be a good thing or bad thing, from an escalation standpoint, but if the Ukrainians could pull it off, it would be significant.

🇺🇦 A top Ukrainian general has threatened to use Western weapons to blow up a bridge linking mainland Russian to Russia-occupied Crimea https://t.co/MyIkDLicXG

— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) June 16, 2022

I know it was not the case but at that altitude someone could have chucked a grenade in there. Whatever shot it down did a good job

Do it.

74OA said:

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"GEN. MILLEY: So on the -- on your question of the Donbas, but on the numbers, just real quick. I'm not sure where the number -- what you're referring to, but I've talked to General Zaluzhnyi, and we get lists. These are official requests from their Department of Defense. They asked for 10 battalions of artillery; 12 battalions of artillery were delivered. Again, I'd say 97,000 antitank systems. That's more anti-tank systems than tanks in the world. They asked for 200 tanks; they got 237 tanks. They asked for 100 infantry fighting vehicles; they got over 300. We've delivered, roughly speaking, 1,600 or so air defense systems and about 60,000 air defense rounds. This is -- when I say "us", I mean the international community. You're looking at 260 artillery tube systems. Either rocket or tube artillery have been already delivered. There's 383 committed, and like I said, almost half a million rounds of artillery."

REMARKS

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If they have or are getting all of that, then they should have quite plenty to do some serious damage to Russia, I hope.

Those anti-tank systems are also used against any vehicle or troops.

Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf said when he was in Afghanistan the Taliban figured out the range of the 5.56 so they moved out, we switched to the .308 so the moved out further, 300 win-mag, even further. There are not many rifle options when you start going past that so one day when Stump as at an army base he saw they had a ton of javelin rounds and a few launchers. He traded his kevlar helmet for all of it. Not only does the system have a range much longer than any rifle but it can also air burst. So if you have a bunch of enemy hiding behind a rock or structure you can now hit them from the top.

A lot of USA SOF bring the javelin with them during deployments, Eddie Gallagher said they used them in Mosul when they were fighting Mosul, said it was SOP to use them that way now.

If they blow the bridge it would hinder logistics but Russia still owns the sea and most ports. They may say since it was a Western system that destroyed it then that country has joined Ukraine in the war. Few dominos later and you have WW3 if Russia acts like a child. But Ukraine needs to do whatever they can to combat the pure number of Russian soldiers.

Russia already attacked the US in Syria, by proxy of the Wagner Group, and tried again later once again in Syria and also in Africa. The Wagner group trains at Russia military bases and almost all intelligence believes the Wagner group has a direct line to the Kremlin, mainly Putin.

I just don't trust politicians since war is big money and Russia does whatever it feels like it wants to do.

I'd like to ask a question.

If it isn't to protect a sovereign nation, what would justify a world war?

I tried to post the Youtube video of Don't **** with Ukraine but the F-word popped up so I deleted it.

P.U.T.U said:

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Those anti-tank systems are also used against any vehicle or troops.

Navy SEAL Andy Stumpf said when he was in Afghanistan the Taliban figured out the range of the 5.56 so they moved out, we switched to the .308 so the moved out further, 300 win-mag, even further. There are not many rifle options when you start going past that so one day when Stump as at an army base he saw they had a ton of javelin rounds and a few launchers. He traded his kevlar helmet for all of it. Not only does the system have a range much longer than any rifle but it can also air burst. So if you have a bunch of enemy hiding behind a rock or structure you can now hit them from the top.

A lot of USA SOF bring the javelin with them during deployments, Eddie Gallagher said they used them in Mosul when they were fighting Mosul, said it was SOP to use them that way now.

If they blow the bridge it would hinder logistics but Russia still owns the sea and most ports. They may say since it was a Western system that destroyed it then that country has joined Ukraine in the war. Few dominos later and you have WW3 if Russia acts like a child. But Ukraine needs to do whatever they can to combat the pure number of Russian soldiers.

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My thinking is that Ukraine needs to find a point of leverage if they want to negotiate a peace. Russia has the advantage in the Donbas since they have been able to use the rail network to their advantage (reliance on rail is a weakness for the Russians, and this is why they are having to focus on Donbas, because it is so conducive to their rail transport). If Ukraine could blow the bridge, and force the Russians out of Kherson, that would threaten the Russian's position in Crimea and might give the sides something to talk about (Russia giving up on Donbas and Ukraine ceding Crimea might be the only option for a negotiated peace, as I could more readily see Ukraine parting with Crimea if Russia guaranteed their access to the Black Sea).

More on the captured Americans in Ukraine. POWs??

Today's SITREP.

Here is a link to longer vid of the helo shot down. There were actually 2 helos, both were shot at but the defenses worked for the first helo and the shot missed. At the moment of the miss, the two helos are very close together which may have added to confusing the missile which clearly has smoke signature compared to the second one that did hit. Maybe star streak on the 2nd?

https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/vdwh4t/full_video_of_russian_helicopter_shot_down_as/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Would have been nice to down both, but maybe the first pilot wont come back again after getting his lucky break.

At this point I think they only way Ukraine gets out of this is if they take the Donbas region and and force a treaty. Yes Ukraine is getting tons of weapons but Russia has tons of weapons and people (I wouldn't even call them soldiers since a lot have no training). I have heard 100-200 soldiers a day are dying which would leaves estimates of 200-600 a day being wounded. They don't have enough people to keep this up by looking at the math.

Putin has been dead set on Novorossiya for a long time, try to get the USSR borders back. That means a push to capture all Ukraine and push into several smaller nations. He said this is what he wanted in 2014 when Russia took Crimea and everyone laughed. 8 years later and here we are, Russia tried to take all of Ukraine at the beginning of the war, they thought Ukraine would not put up the fight they did so they had to step back and rethink their strategy.

sclaff said:

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#Severodonetsk - #Russian forces have claimed significant progress in the city today. RuAF claims to have captured the N bridge and to be close to capturing the middle one. This could isolate #UAF in the industrial zone from supplies and reinforcements, forcing their withdrawal. pic.twitter.com/nVS1Fi2QBC

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Izyum Axis - It is confirmed that #Ukrainian forces bridged the Donets River in the vicinity of Protopopivka & are operating in the forests W of Izyum. We have not seen evidence to support the Izyum City Council statement that Zavody, Spivakivka & Prydonets'ke were liberated. pic.twitter.com/NnJlSDEXKc

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Kharkiv Axis - #Russian forces have declared the start of a new offensive to attack Kharkiv city. The short term objective is to capture the #Ukrainian defenses in Dementiivka and Rus'ka Lozova. There is reported fighting in Prudyanka, indicating that RU has recaptured Tsupivka. pic.twitter.com/mjNlkSnMSB

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Kherson Axis - #Ukrainian forces have launched a counterattack aimed at pushing #Russian forces back to Kherson. Russian & Ukrainian sources both confirmed that #UAF is attacking Pravdyne, towards Tomyna Balka and along the Mykolaiv - Kherson Highway. Artillery duels continues. pic.twitter.com/p9kCwYWacl

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

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I would love to see the Ukrainians respond to the renewed Kharkiv offensive by attacking Belgorod with artillery, drones, and air power.

txags92 said:

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sclaff said:

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#Severodonetsk - #Russian forces have claimed significant progress in the city today. RuAF claims to have captured the N bridge and to be close to capturing the middle one. This could isolate #UAF in the industrial zone from supplies and reinforcements, forcing their withdrawal. pic.twitter.com/nVS1Fi2QBC

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Izyum Axis - It is confirmed that #Ukrainian forces bridged the Donets River in the vicinity of Protopopivka & are operating in the forests W of Izyum. We have not seen evidence to support the Izyum City Council statement that Zavody, Spivakivka & Prydonets'ke were liberated. pic.twitter.com/NnJlSDEXKc

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Kharkiv Axis - #Russian forces have declared the start of a new offensive to attack Kharkiv city. The short term objective is to capture the #Ukrainian defenses in Dementiivka and Rus'ka Lozova. There is reported fighting in Prudyanka, indicating that RU has recaptured Tsupivka. pic.twitter.com/mjNlkSnMSB

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

#Kherson Axis - #Ukrainian forces have launched a counterattack aimed at pushing #Russian forces back to Kherson. Russian & Ukrainian sources both confirmed that #UAF is attacking Pravdyne, towards Tomyna Balka and along the Mykolaiv - Kherson Highway. Artillery duels continues. pic.twitter.com/p9kCwYWacl

— OSINT Aggregator (@AggregateOsint) June 16, 2022

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I would love to see the Ukrainians respond to the renewed Kharkiv offensive by attacking Belgorod with artillery, drones, and air power.

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I would love that too. I, however, do not think the have the men and material to mount that type of combined arms offensive. We are spoiled because that is what we would do.

P.U.T.U said:

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At this point I think they only way Ukraine gets out of this is if they take the Donbas region and and force a treaty.

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IMO, the road to victory/settlement is in the south. The East is too easily resupplied and reinforced - the south is Russia's longest linear supply challenge. Wait 3-4 months for a healthy supply of HIMARS and long range artillery ... and give Ukraine a decent inventory ATACMS to take out the Kerch Bridge and transportation hubs in southern Ukraine. Target Stevestopol with a few ATACMS to empty the port - then deny naval access to Ukraine's southern ports with Ukraine's new Phoenix systems.

If they can put Crimea at risk the Russians will talk.

twk said:

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I've been intrigued by this possibility for quite a while. I don't know if it would be a good thing or bad thing, from an escalation standpoint, but if the Ukrainians could pull it off, it would be significant.

🇺🇦 A top Ukrainian general has threatened to use Western weapons to blow up a bridge linking mainland Russian to Russia-occupied Crimea https://t.co/MyIkDLicXG

— The Telegraph (@Telegraph) June 16, 2022

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It's actually 2 bridges with the one in front being a two track rail bridge. The Russians would then likely have to unload onto ferries to bring materials over or bring them in via ship.

Supplying the defense of Kherson would become extremely difficult without those bridges.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1537559177744109569.html

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Popasna/Bakhmut Area Frontline Update:
(1st) North and north east of Popasna RU Advance
(2nd) West of Popasna RU Advance
(3rd) East/South/South east of Bakhmut RU Advance pic.twitter.com/iBmwzT0aNY

— WarMonitor🇺🇦 (@WarMonitor3) June 16, 2022

Multiple warehouse explosions deep inside Russian-occupied lands. Something something very accurate and long range arrived https://t.co/Gu0IYjDEN3

— Liveuamap (@Liveuamap) June 16, 2022

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AgLA06 said:

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Someone help me better understand the benefit of long range rockets instead of artillery. Seems a lot more expensive, less ammo available, and limited by the fewer numbers of launchers.

Are they somehow more accurate than the extremely accurate artillery fire we've seen to date? Do they provide a bigger boom per shot?

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Long range for one. You can outdistance artillery and hit them when they can't hit you. Your enemy must also marshal and keep supply depots farther away.

Guided rockets can shoot perpendicular to the path to the target at low altitude and then change course to avoid giving away the launcher.

MLRS can launch huge volleys and then scoot and reload pods of rockets. You drop more ordinance at one time to catch more people and stuff in the open.

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I'd argue with the "Huge volleys" point. A howitzer 10 round mission is 60 dumb rounds (with lots of shell/fuze options) all hitting within 3 min. A HIMARS 10 round mission is going to get you 10 guided rockets (putting two launchers out of commission to relocate and reload). The ECR for an HE 155mm round is actually larger than that of the common rockets - but the rockets DO have a huge leg up in accuracy.

Furthermore, unless something wild happened - the HIMARS launched anti-ship missiles are still in testing, and the BEST munitions for land war (DPICM) don't exist in rocket form. Of course, the dud rate on DPICM has made it a no-go in classic war, but it's a "gloves off, screw the Geneva convention" option that's a big frickin deal. "F-you, grid square" is available in the howitzer flavor - but not the rocket flavor.

Even ATACMS doesn't have much of a warhead. Big rocket to carry a small punch a LONG way to an exact spot.

And I can attest, that if you give em a good 10 digit grid (and the enemy doesn't rabbit at the flash of light) - you'll get lethal first round effects.


Basically the reasons to go with rockets are
1. You want to stay out of enemy artillery range and/or expand coverage
2. You trust precision target location and therefore no longer need volume
3. Speed to implementation and mobility are critical (solved by Paladins, but still and issue for towed artillery)
4. You're ok giving up your massed fires capabilities

Edit: It's the latest Speak The Truth video. Not sure why it's age restricted.