***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to Waffledynamics • 9:51a, 6/9/22
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If they do, it might paint France and Germany into the corner they've avoided so far.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 9:54a, 6/9/22
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Two Britons and a Moroccan man captured by Russian forces in Ukraine have been sentenced to death, the Russian-owned news agency RIA Novosti is reporting.

Aiden Aslin, 28, from Nottinghamshire, Shaun Pinner, 48, from Bedfordshire, and a third man, Moroccan national Saaudun Brahim, appeared in a court in the Donetsk People's Republic, which is held by pro-Russian rebels.

The court is not internationally recognised.

They are reportedly charged with being mercenaries. But the British men's families say they were in Ukraine's military.

Both British men are serving members of Ukraine's armed forces and the UK has made clear they are prisoners of war entitled to immunity and should not face prosecution for taking part in hostilities.


Tricky situation since they were serving in Ukraine's military, but I can't imagine this plays well to the British.

ETA: Also, this is that one guy captured in Mariupol. If they will kill him, you know damn well they'll likely kill other POWs from that city.

**** Putin and his ilk.


Ah yes, none of the russian witnesses showed up to the trial.
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10:50a, 6/9/22
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Combat…is so quiet in Ukraine
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In reply to GinMan • 11:07a, 6/9/22
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Bomblet looks like it has a simple impact detonator so it would seem holding the drone up high like that for loading could be a recipe for disaster if the munition is fumbled.
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In reply to Rossticus • 11:37a, 6/9/22
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Rossticus said:
Looks like they were sentenced to death along with a Morocco citizen. It's all Russian propaganda BS. They truly are terrible.
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12:26p, 6/9/22
I'm guessing soldiers won't be surrendering or being captured. This will end up costing Russian lives as their enemies won't be likely to surrender
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 12:57p, 6/9/22
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Waffledynamics said:
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Two Britons and a Moroccan man captured by Russian forces in Ukraine have been sentenced to death, the Russian-owned news agency RIA Novosti is reporting.

Aiden Aslin, 28, from Nottinghamshire, Shaun Pinner, 48, from Bedfordshire, and a third man, Moroccan national Saaudun Brahim, appeared in a court in the Donetsk People's Republic, which is held by pro-Russian rebels.

The court is not internationally recognised.

They are reportedly charged with being mercenaries. But the British men's families say they were in Ukraine's military.

Both British men are serving members of Ukraine's armed forces and the UK has made clear they are prisoners of war entitled to immunity and should not face prosecution for taking part in hostilities.


Tricky situation since they were serving in Ukraine's military, but I can't imagine this plays well to the British.

ETA: Also, this is that one guy captured in Mariupol. If they will kill him, you know damn well they'll likely kill other POWs from that city.

**** Putin and his ilk.
For sure Kiev should make a declaratory statement that they are members of the Ukrainian armed forces and demand they be given the usual protections as POWs and, if not, threaten to try as mercenaries any Wagner Group or separatist fighters they capture.
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1:53p, 6/9/22
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Speaking of POWs, whatever came of the Azovs that surrendered recently? We're they indeed returned or exchanged for Russian POWs?
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In reply to Ag In Ok • 2:22p, 6/9/22
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Speaking of POWs, whatever came of the Azovs that surrendered recently? We're they indeed returned or exchanged for Russian POWs?


Nope. Being held for trial. Most will probably be sentenced to death as well, based on statements in Russian media, military, and Duma.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 2:26p, 6/9/22
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Waffledynamics said:
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Two Britons and a Moroccan man captured by Russian forces in Ukraine have been sentenced to death, the Russian-owned news agency RIA Novosti is reporting.

Aiden Aslin, 28, from Nottinghamshire, Shaun Pinner, 48, from Bedfordshire, and a third man, Moroccan national Saaudun Brahim, appeared in a court in the Donetsk People's Republic, which is held by pro-Russian rebels.

The court is not internationally recognised.

They are reportedly charged with being mercenaries. But the British men's families say they were in Ukraine's military.

Both British men are serving members of Ukraine's armed forces and the UK has made clear they are prisoners of war entitled to immunity and should not face prosecution for taking part in hostilities.


Tricky situation since they were serving in Ukraine's military, but I can't imagine this plays well to the British.

ETA: Also, this is that one guy captured in Mariupol. If they will kill him, you know damn well they'll likely kill other POWs from that city.

**** Putin and his ilk.
I consider those who volunteer to rise up and fight against evil as heroes, especially when they might have to pay with their life while their families really suffer the loss. It is my prayer that this is just counterintelligence to persuade other foreign volunteers in joining the fight. Issues like this is also why nations should take a more active role in combatting such vile aggression.

**** Putin and his ilk.
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5:04p, 6/9/22
I really hope this is true. Seems like a lot to be gathered in one place.

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In reply to AggieLit • 5:10p, 6/9/22
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5:17p, 6/9/22
Interesting comments from Putin regarding his perception that it's his destiny to unify ancient lands under singular rule. He's definitely becoming comfortable dropping prior pretexts to the invasion. I doubt he's satisfied with anything other than an eventual full annexation of Ukraine. If he's not successful in this attempt, I find it difficult to believe he doesn't continue in future attempts of various sorts.




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5:25p, 6/9/22
Nicaraguan Missile Crisis anyone?

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In reply to Rossticus • 5:38p, 6/9/22
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Rossticus said:
Nicaraguan Missile Crisis anyone?

Yes, I reason to break out one of my old games.
Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:35p, 6/9/22
History books are full of confident idiots. Mount Everest is covered with their frozen bodies
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7:51p, 6/9/22
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Today's SITREP.
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In reply to Demosthenes81 • 10:28p, 6/9/22
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Demosthenes81 said:
Rossticus said:
Nicaraguan Missile Crisis anyone?

Yes, I reason to break out one of my old games.


I remember one called Fortress America. 4 player game, 3 commies invade East, West, South. 4 player is 'merica. Fun game!
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In reply to Blackbeard94 • 11:33p, 6/9/22
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Blackbeard94 said:


I remember one called Fortress America. 4 player game, 3 commies invade East, West, South. 4 player is 'merica. Fun game!
Agree. Awesome game. Crazy part is the Art on the front that shows burning World Trade Center buildings and Saddam Hussein.
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In reply to Rossticus • 11:40p, 6/9/22
Rossticus said:
Nicaraguan Missile Crisis anyone?



I just love that a Russian tv host knows the phrase "city on a hill" in conjunction with America. A phrase that was used by a Puritan minister, I forget who, on the voyage over, and then was rediscovered by I think Perry Miller in the mid 20th century, before Reagan finally picked it up.
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In reply to AggieLit • 12:37a, 6/10/22
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John Winthrop was the originator of the phrase in relation to American exceptionalism.
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8:27a, 6/10/22
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Cannon fodder consumed:
https://news.yahoo.com/russians-withdraw-buryat-troops-sievierodonetsk-171300409.html
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In reply to lb3 • 8:31a, 6/10/22
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I imagine morale is very low among them.

Also, things seem mostly stagnant the past couple of days. Russia's offensive seems to have stalled out.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 8:42a, 6/10/22
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Waffledynamics said:
I imagine morale is very low among them.

Also, things seem mostly stagnant the past couple of days. Russia's offensive seems to have stalled out.
Russian units appear to recruit regionally so they have units entirely made up of minorities like the Buryat. When one of their units gets destroyed, it has a disproportionate impact on those communities so I suspect the morale back home also sours more quickly as a result.

I need to confirm with better sources, but here is a report of an entire unit standing down:
https://news.yahoo.com/general-staff-entire-russian-unit-035314812.html

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12:12p, 6/10/22
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Ukrainian ship dodges concentrated artillery attack. WHEW!
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In reply to benchmark • 12:13p, 6/10/22
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No shortage of secondary's in that one.
Probably not much left of this battery either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/v8qg8w/russian_artillery_position_came_under_heavy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
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12:19p, 6/10/22
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Harpoons now operational in Ukraine. Antiship
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12:48p, 6/10/22
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Updates:
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