***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:29p, 4/12/22
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aggiehawg said:
Didn't realize we still had Harriers in service.


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In reply to GAC06 • 4:31p, 4/12/22
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aggiehawg said:
Didn't realize we still had Harriers in service.


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Sorry, but I didn't. Thought they had been mothballed about ten years ago.
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In reply to spikingag • 4:33p, 4/12/22
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spikingag said:
Found this interesting. Sorry if already posted
The concept has been covered before, but wow! the demographics problem in Russia is even worse than I'd understood. China is in a similar situation. They will never be a "world" dominating power until they can solve the same basic issues as the Russians, mostly bodies and food.

They are more competent than the Russians, because they are more patient, but courtesy of the Mao purges and the "One Child Policy", they have the same long term demographic issues as the Russians. We really don't know when that will implode on them as they are putting out or not putting out supportive data that might make them look bad.

The conclusion in the video says it best when talking about Russia screwing up 50 years worth of CCP work on conquering the west and the world, by completely botching the invasion of Ukraine, that's assuming they actually win. Russia loses and we'll have at least another Cold War while China tries to catch up on their own, if they can. Win or lose, Russia is probably done as a world power. Probably gets picked off resource by resource, if anyone ever determines their nukes are as in bad a shape as their army is.
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In reply to bonfarr • 5:11p, 4/12/22
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MeatDr said:
Javelins, yes. Stingers, no. The US hasn't bought Stingers in decades and the production line services only one international customer which itself sources the obsolescent parts needed to build its orders.

STINGER


Sounds like we need to invite Elon Musk into a meeting to help accelerate manufacturing for these weapons. I'm not sure how he would respond to manufacturing weapons of war but he is clearly sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause so maybe he would get involved.

The Stinger is still effective, but its design and components are essentially technological and manufacturing antiques. Better to move on.
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5:19p, 4/12/22
New video associated with that point blank tank shot. Russians or Ukrainians? Guessing Spook thinks it's Russians.

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5:21p, 4/12/22
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In reply to Rossticus • 5:22p, 4/12/22
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New video associated with that point blank tank shot. Russians or Ukrainians? Guessing Spook thinks it's Russians.



100% it's Ukrainians. There's another video from amongst that group that ends the instant the tank fires. Kind of surreal. One of the dudes even waved to the tank commander, a few seconds later…boom.
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In reply to Rossticus • 5:24p, 4/12/22
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Seems Zelensky wants to use him as a bargaining chip-

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In reply to RebelE Infantry • 5:31p, 4/12/22
If he's still worth anything to Putin then perhaps you can swap him for a hefty haul of POWs.
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In reply to bonfarr • 5:34p, 4/12/22
Musk is good at a lot of things, but reliable manufacturing doesn't appear to be one of them. If ramping production is really a concern, I would start with the defense contractors (pretty likely they could boost production to a greater or lesser extent pretty quickly). Then branch out to automotive suppliers.
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In reply to Jetpilot86 • 5:38p, 4/12/22
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spikingag said:
Found this interesting. Sorry if already posted
The concept has been covered before, but wow! the demographics problem in Russia is even worse than I'd understood. China is in a similar situation. They will never be a "world" dominating power until they can solve the same basic issues as the Russians, mostly bodies and food.

They are more competent than the Russians, because they are more patient, but courtesy of the Mao purges and the "One Child Policy", they have the same long term demographic issues as the Russians. We really don't know when that will implode on them as they are putting out or not putting out supportive data that might make them look bad.

The conclusion in the video says it best when talking about Russia screwing up 50 years worth of CCP work on conquering the west and the world, by completely botching the invasion of Ukraine, that's assuming they actually win. Russia loses and we'll have at least another Cold War while China tries to catch up on their own, if they can. Win or lose, Russia is probably done as a world power. Probably gets picked off resource by resource, if anyone ever determines their nukes are as in bad a shape as their army is.


Very informative and thanks for posting.
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5:40p, 4/12/22
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The issues are the boards/chips/PCBAs, you flat out can't get them now. The countries that mined the silicon shut down for a while during Covid and what was once a year long process to go from raw material to finished product is now 18-24 months. There are several manufacturing plants being built in the USA but it will be years before they can assist.
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In reply to P.U.T.U • 5:44p, 4/12/22
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P.U.T.U said:
The issues are the boards/chips/PCBAs, you flat out can't get them now. The countries that mined the silicon shut down for a while during Covid and what was once a year long process to go from raw material to finished product is now 18-24 months. There are several manufacturing plants being built in the USA but it will be years before they can assist.

Given the current political environment, get the Taiwanese to get after those chips.
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5:47p, 4/12/22
Is it just me or did Putin stop mentioning NATO as a reason for Russia's invasion a while back? Hasn't mentioned it as one of the reasons why Russia must win. Seems like he's scrapped that talking point. I'm shocked.
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5:49p, 4/12/22
Looks like we may have just made up our mind. Bear in mind the source, of course, until we receive further confirmation. Happy April Russia. Prepare to get ****ed.

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5:58p, 4/12/22
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In reply to Rossticus • 5:58p, 4/12/22
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Rossticus said:
Looks like we may have just made up our mind. Bear in mind the source, of course, until we receive further confirmation. Happy April Russia. Prepare to get ****ed.

This kind of news as well as you pointing out that he hasn't been mentioning NATO recently is an interesting coincidence.
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:04p, 4/12/22
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Looks like we may have just made up our mind. Bear in mind the source, of course, until we receive further confirmation. Happy April Russia. Prepare to get ****ed.
With this administration, no way this happens if Ukraine is on hospice. Someone smells blood.
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In reply to benchmark • 6:05p, 4/12/22
I concur. Opportunity to put a boot on their neck before they figure out a way to get back up and catch their breath.
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In reply to Burrus86 • 6:06p, 4/12/22
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Still need to mine it, lack of workers in those areas.
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:09p, 4/12/22
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We only have a handful of MI-17 helicopters so we can going through another country. The link is firewalled, any more info?

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In reply to P.U.T.U • 6:15p, 4/12/22
Not yet. Just broke. And I'm not paying Washington Post one penny.
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6:37p, 4/12/22
The MiG sitch is so weird considering how heavily everything else is flowing into Ukraine and our willingness to either backfill or guarantee security where other arms are concerned. Something isn't logically adding up.

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6:38p, 4/12/22
Not winning this war now might mean millions of people in the world starving to death. It's important to win now.
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6:42p, 4/12/22
Warning.....graphic video

https://instagram.com/stories/apparitiongroup/2814825626228282737
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In reply to shiftyandquick • 6:44p, 4/12/22
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shiftyandquick said:
Not winning this war now might mean millions of people in the world starving to death. It's important to win now.
Just to make sure but do you mean Russia winning? Or Ukraine defending itself and winning?
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6:46p, 4/12/22
I mean Ukraine winning, i.e. the West winning.
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:47p, 4/12/22
Rossticus said:
The MiG sitch is so weird considering how heavily everything else is flowing into Ukraine and our willingness to either backfill or guarantee security where other arms are concerned. Something isn't logically adding up.



Personally I don't see how sending MiGs actually helps Ukraine in a dramatic way win the war.

Personally, I think there are people who want to do it to show support for Zelensky since he keeps asking for them and there is a other faction that believes it doesn't really help Ukraine significantly.

That's my read on any hold up.
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6:53p, 4/12/22
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