Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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Russians will be the new Nazis in committing genocide in the 21st Century, like the Germans were in the 20th.

And by genocide, I'll also include the people who die by starving through food shortages. All because Putin is a bad actor who is mentally unstable.

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Rossticus said:

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Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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Russians will be the new Nazis in committing genocide in the 21st Century, like the Germans were in the 20th.

And by genocide, I'll also include the people who die by starving through food shortages. All because Putin is a bad actor who is mentally unstable.

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I'm waiting for the post mortems on how COVID impacted Putin's bunker mentality.

Won't matter if he ends up getting what he wants. Putin doesn't care about western world history, just the Russian history he's able to curate. If he succeeds in bringing about the eventual end of a sovereign Ukraine then Russian history will praise him, just like German history would have if Hitler had succeeded.

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Won't matter if he ends up getting what he wants. Putin doesn't care about western world history, just the Russian history he's able to curate. If he succeeds in bringing about the eventual end of a sovereign Ukraine then Russian history will praise him, just like German history would have if Hitler had succeeded.

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He may "get it" but he won't hold it for long, is my best guess.

Triple quote it and it gets hidden. See below.

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Naked women covered with a blanket on the roadside. Russian soldiers raped them and then tried to burn. Russians are expelled from Kyiv region and the whole world is witnessing their extreme inhuman cruelty. I’m not sure there are words to describe what they left after themselves pic.twitter.com/Z1SEvCIwMK

— Liubov Tsybulska (@TsybulskaLiubov) April 2, 2022

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Because Putin can control the narrative in his country and in countries that he's allied with. That's all that matters. He doesn't care what the rest of the global community thinks because he knows that nobody will actually step in and confront him in sufficiently forceful way to make him stop. People are willing to allow it if doing so preserves their own sense of security and economic convenience.

We'd have allowed Hitler to exterminate every minority and disabled person in Europe had he and Japan not declared war on us. Don't think that Putin didn't learn a lesson from that. As long as he doesn't act in a way that results in a perceived direct threat, America and Europe will hold true to form.

Most people aren't sufficiently bothered by the mass killing of others that they're willing to sacrifice in order to stop it unless it's coupled with a direct threat to them in some way. History bears that out repeatedly. Life is only sacred when it's cheap, convenient, and relatively simple to protect and doesn't require the average Joe to lose out on anything.

Putin is no better than the Bosnian war criminals and needs to be treated as such

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Putin is no better than the Bosnian war criminals and needs to be treated as such

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He needs to be but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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Executed civilians are found almost everywhere. On the Zhytomyr highway, in Motyzhyn, in other towns and villages. Just now the head of Bucha reported, about a mass grave of 300 people, which they found. Only today. Tomorrow should be more known. pic.twitter.com/kx9SZSCl1U

— DZENGA (@grimcultzero) April 2, 2022

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This work staff?

Maybe add "Warning NSFC" to the hyperlink description also. But better than the triple quotes.

Russia Bros about to start with "Ukraine is killing all their people and blaming it on Russia" again. "The narrative".

Alright, some of the bodies look very fresh, others look suspicious, the narrative is being created in real-time, not gonna discuss that anymore on twitter, mayb in-depth on telegram later

— Russians With Attitude (@RWApodcast) April 2, 2022

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Unfortunately, staff removed it. It's important to make sure these things are documented and that people understand the brutality of war (especially the Russian kind). I don't know what it was, but I doubt it was anything warm and fuzzy.

Speaking of horrific actions by the Russians, what realistically will happen to any of the Russian brass or even Putin himself after this, assuming they end up with little to no gains? I can't imagine Putin would get any warm welcomes in any international events. I also wonder if any of the backlash will eventually have any effect on their tactics, though I don't think we see any evidence of that as of yet.

It's just bizarre that Russia would do some of the things they're doing in an age of instant documentation and dissemination. Did none of them think that footage would immediately get out? How is a country with supposedly vaunted information warfare capabilities failing so much at the information war?

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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510370003887009799.html

Interesting to note that your linked post is from March 12th, but the statements it makes have only been proven more true.

Today's SITREP.

Ok…. Before anyone writes the same old geolocation nonsense, just know this pic is 6 days removed from that location. Now I’ll sit back and wait for people still talk about OPSEC because they look at pictures and don’t read pic.twitter.com/AYSD1isNIT

— James Vasquez (@jmvasquez1974) April 2, 2022

In just-liberated Bucha northwest of Kyiv, a mass grave of nearly 280 civilians

— Illia Ponomarenko 🇺🇦 (@IAPonomarenko) April 2, 2022

Hardened as we are by Russian atrocities, reports coming in from liberated towns around Kyiv document acts of horrifying, inhuman cruelty and evil, coaches of children used as human shields; corpses left on streets of civilians with hands tied behind back, many shot in head.

— Simon Schama (@simon_schama) April 2, 2022

The photos coming out from the liberated areas of Kyiv are pure hell on earth. Whole Russian squads melted next to cooked off vehicles, civilians tortured and executed everywhere

— Lost Weapons (@LostWeapons) April 2, 2022

And a bonus map showing the total area across the country that has been recaptured by Ukraine at some point throughout the War. pic.twitter.com/knQ6CTreBX

— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) April 2, 2022

RETROGRADE - The retrograde is a type of defensive operation that involves organized movement away from the enemy. An enemy force may compel these operations, or a commander may perform them voluntarily.

— John Spencer (@SpencerGuard) April 2, 2022

Thread:https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510321821937065987.html

Russian forces retreated from this area in the last few days. They left absolute horror behind. Soldiers told us they'd found mutilated bodies of men, women and teenagers inside a basement of a holiday home. Others that corpses left in the street had been mined.

— Louise Callaghan (@louiseelisabet) April 2, 2022

Thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510375303989846018.html

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General Patton was right about the Russians.

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General Patton was right about many things.

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MacArthur too.

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Eh. That ended up being a different question. Patton just wanted to crush the Soviet Army before they had nuclear weapons that were deployable.

MacArthur wanted to lay down a nuclear DMZ.

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Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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The #RussianArmy needs to realize this:

If you are a male of fighting age from Russia and go anywhere on earth except maybe China, India or Saudi Arabia, people are going to ask if you were in the army.

Then they will ask if you are in the army during the time of the war.

— TheValuesVoter (@TheValuesVoter) April 2, 2022

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Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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Russians will be the new Nazis in committing genocide in the 21st Century, like the Germans were in the 20th.

And by genocide, I'll also include the people who die by starving through food shortages. All because Putin is a bad actor who is mentally unstable.

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This can't happen without a lot of Russians supporting it. That country has a very outsized view of its place in history.

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Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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Russians will be the new Nazis in committing genocide in the 21st Century, like the Germans were in the 20th.

And by genocide, I'll also include the people who die by starving through food shortages. All because Putin is a bad actor who is mentally unstable.

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This can't happen without a lot of Russians supporting it. That country has a very outsized view of its place in history.

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They always have that view. They are Soviets. St. Petersburg is likely the only Western leaning city now. Outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg, most of Russia is backwards. Third world.

Anyone saying that Bucha is the result of brutalisation or rogue behaviour is wrong. This was the plan. It was pre-meditated. It is consistent with Russian methods in Chechnya. And if the Russian military had been more successful there would have been many more towns like it. 2/4

— Jack Watling (@Jack_Watling) April 2, 2022

People calling for a specific response to Bucha are taking an atrocity out of its context. The response should be to ensure that Ukrainians can defeat the invasion through steady and systemic assistance. The volume and speed of kit delivered matters. 4/4

— Jack Watling (@Jack_Watling) April 2, 2022

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Something between Bosnia and WW2. You have to wonder how history will view this a generation from now.

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Russians will be the new Nazis in committing genocide in the 21st Century, like the Germans were in the 20th.

And by genocide, I'll also include the people who die by starving through food shortages. All because Putin is a bad actor who is mentally unstable.

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This can't happen without a lot of Russians supporting it. That country has a very outsized view of its place in history.

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They always have that view. They are Soviets. St. Petersburg is likely the only Western leaning city now. Outside of Moscow and St. Petersburg, most of Russia is backwards. Third world.

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It's time for Russia to be ground into dust and scattered to the wind.

St. Petersburg and surrounding region become would obviously be a viable European state but the rest is harder to draw. Moscow would have to be the center of another country but would need to be land locked and not allowed to reach to the Black Sea.

Looking at a map, it's hard to see natural dividing lines for 6+/- viable states: