Waffledynamics said:

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lb3 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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lb3 said:

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Captain Positivity said:

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People were asking if this was more reminiscent of 1979 or 1914.

Well…

A sign we may be seeing an evolution into a stalled phase, Russian trenches. pic.twitter.com/uGxnMU7OyO

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 20, 2022

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These are textbook prepared fighting positions. Anytime infantry stays in a given place for any length of time, they should be constantly trying to improve their fighting positions. This eventually involves the use of an entrenching tool (small shovel).

You will notice firing platforms cut into many of these holes. These shelves are cut to allow machine gun bypods (and infantry elbows) to rest below the surface so the machine gunner has a slightly lower profile.

Here is a chapter on their construction.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/21-75/Ch2.htm#s5

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Surely modern warfare makes trenches much less effective in the past, right? This does not seem like a conflict that has rewarded static positions, big targets, and Russian stubbornness so far, if my amateur mind can tell.

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These aren't trenches. If your convoy is 'stuck' for two days you dig holes to provide protection from direct and more importantly in this conflict, indirect fire.

We haven't seen much of this in the past 20 years fighting insurgencies but I distinctly remember seeing footage of Marines on the way to Baghdad sleeping on the ground in shallow holes. I suspect they hated their company commander making them dig every time they stopped but it's good practice even when the enemy isn't expected to assault your position.

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Sorry, maybe I'm misremembering something I saw elsewhere/earlier in the thread. I thought I had seen something more extensive than these holes.

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I think those were Uke trenches.

Digging fighting positions absolutely sux, especially when your about to finish it, maybe even get some rest, then your ordered to move on or worse bury it.

I am confident if you asked anyone whos been bracketed by indirect fire they would tell you that they couldn't get their hole deep enough or never expressed regret from going through the effort.

Those positions were so masterfully dug I suspect they all had a chance to observe a column blown to pieces and had a good officer.

TXAggie2011 said:

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I think more and more analysts out there are finally realizing it, but the idea that once the Russians "take" Mariupol they'll be able to turn north and unleash hell isn't correct.

Those who make it out of there are going to be absolutely spent.

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Interesting observation. Has Russia been having similar logistical issues in the South that would make them stall so much like in the North? I thought they were having a little easier of a time moving around in the South but have been bogged down trying to take Mariuopol.

The official UN death count for civilians in the war up thru yesterday is under 900.

All the destruction we see, you would expect thousands of civilians but that simply is not the case per the UN.

Russia allows the citizens to leave and then flattens the city. That is their MO.

They have lost 1000s of troops and equipment but they are not wanting to slaughter the citizens. Apparently, the citizens want to slaughter the invaders. Which is okay with me.

MSM is pushing hard for a WW3. I still think it is a family feud and we have no business in this war.


Google official civil deaths in Russia Ukraine war to verify.

JFABNRGR said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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lb3 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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lb3 said:

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Captain Positivity said:

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People were asking if this was more reminiscent of 1979 or 1914.

Well…

A sign we may be seeing an evolution into a stalled phase, Russian trenches. pic.twitter.com/uGxnMU7OyO

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 20, 2022

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These are textbook prepared fighting positions. Anytime infantry stays in a given place for any length of time, they should be constantly trying to improve their fighting positions. This eventually involves the use of an entrenching tool (small shovel).

You will notice firing platforms cut into many of these holes. These shelves are cut to allow machine gun bypods (and infantry elbows) to rest below the surface so the machine gunner has a slightly lower profile.

Here is a chapter on their construction.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/21-75/Ch2.htm#s5

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Surely modern warfare makes trenches much less effective in the past, right? This does not seem like a conflict that has rewarded static positions, big targets, and Russian stubbornness so far, if my amateur mind can tell.

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These aren't trenches. If your convoy is 'stuck' for two days you dig holes to provide protection from direct and more importantly in this conflict, indirect fire.

We haven't seen much of this in the past 20 years fighting insurgencies but I distinctly remember seeing footage of Marines on the way to Baghdad sleeping on the ground in shallow holes. I suspect they hated their company commander making them dig every time they stopped but it's good practice even when the enemy isn't expected to assault your position.

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Sorry, maybe I'm misremembering something I saw elsewhere/earlier in the thread. I thought I had seen something more extensive than these holes.

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I think those were Uke trenches.

Digging fighting positions absolutely sux, especially when your about to finish it, maybe even get some rest, then your ordered to move on or worse bury it.

I am confident if you asked anyone whos been bracketed by indirect fire they would tell you that they couldn't get their hole deep enough or never expressed regret from going through the effort.

Those positions were so masterfully dug I suspect they all had a chance to observe a column blown to pieces and had a good officer.

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I think they're Russian. The firing platforms are facing away from the road. Ukes would be further away facing the roads.

lb3 said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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lb3 said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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lb3 said:

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Captain Positivity said:

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People were asking if this was more reminiscent of 1979 or 1914.

Well…

A sign we may be seeing an evolution into a stalled phase, Russian trenches. pic.twitter.com/uGxnMU7OyO

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) March 20, 2022

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These are textbook prepared fighting positions. Anytime infantry stays in a given place for any length of time, they should be constantly trying to improve their fighting positions. This eventually involves the use of an entrenching tool (small shovel).

You will notice firing platforms cut into many of these holes. These shelves are cut to allow machine gun bypods (and infantry elbows) to rest below the surface so the machine gunner has a slightly lower profile.

Here is a chapter on their construction.
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/21-75/Ch2.htm#s5

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Surely modern warfare makes trenches much less effective in the past, right? This does not seem like a conflict that has rewarded static positions, big targets, and Russian stubbornness so far, if my amateur mind can tell.

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These aren't trenches. If your convoy is 'stuck' for two days you dig holes to provide protection from direct and more importantly in this conflict, indirect fire.

We haven't seen much of this in the past 20 years fighting insurgencies but I distinctly remember seeing footage of Marines on the way to Baghdad sleeping on the ground in shallow holes. I suspect they hated their company commander making them dig every time they stopped but it's good practice even when the enemy isn't expected to assault your position.

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Sorry, maybe I'm misremembering something I saw elsewhere/earlier in the thread. I thought I had seen something more extensive than these holes.

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I think those were Uke trenches.

Digging fighting positions absolutely sux, especially when your about to finish it, maybe even get some rest, then your ordered to move on or worse bury it.

I am confident if you asked anyone whos been bracketed by indirect fire they would tell you that they couldn't get their hole deep enough or never expressed regret from going through the effort.

Those positions were so masterfully dug I suspect they all had a chance to observe a column blown to pieces and had a good officer.

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I think they're Russian. The firing platforms are facing away from the road. Ukes would be further away facing the roads.

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That green box with a star at the beginning of the video is a Russian MRE box. Definitely Russian trenches.

And there it is

US special operators are currently on the ground in Ukraine doing “operational prep of the battlefield,” according to a well informed source.

The military unit is JSOC’s Advance Force Operations, including members of Delta Force and SEAL Team 6.

— Seth Harp (@sethharpesq) March 20, 2022

Is that a reputable source?

This should NOT necessarily be perceived as an escalation in Ukraine.

Small JSOC teams routinely penetrate foreign countries to do covert work (not fighting) as part of long-shot contingency planning.

These are denied operations under Title 10, no different from CIA activities. https://t.co/GGD9U94VIi

— Seth Harp (@sethharpesq) March 20, 2022

Captain Positivity said:

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Is that a reputable source?

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Looked him up. Veteran from the war in Iraq and an editor with Rolling Stone magazine. And one would think he might be in a position to know people who know people who would know about these sort of things, but also Rolling Stone magazine hasn't exactly been the most accurate news outlet over the last several years.

Also looked him up, and pretty impressive credentials.

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I was watching a guy who was in the military on YouTube saying that we haven't given the Ukes our more advanced weapons yet.

For those who know, what types of weapons do we have that are even more powerful and effective than what we've given, because it seems as if what we've given is very effective already.

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Patriot PAC-3 MEADS
Iron Dome
and obviously we have not provided any fixed wing or rotary aircraft

wangus12 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Captain Positivity said:

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This should NOT necessarily be perceived as an escalation in Ukraine.

Small JSOC teams routinely penetrate foreign countries to do covert work (not fighting) as part of long-shot contingency planning.

These are denied operations under Title 10, no different from CIA activities. https://t.co/GGD9U94VIi

— Seth Harp (@sethharpesq) March 20, 2022

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Figured our guys have been in country since before this kicked off

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Irregardless, that information should never be made public.

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Russians knew before this guy

Indeed. It is probably out there but not useful to elaborate.

Looks like another 2S33, Russia's best SPARTY

Seems heightened to me, as well. Especially the amount of C17s. https://t.co/DXGpD3mH1a

— Grammar Dominatrix (@GrammarDomin8rx) March 20, 2022

Sources
UKR BDA and RUS force estimates https://t.co/21OHgxVeN9

RUS BDA estimates https://t.co/FjaZ7L4Acz

OSINT BDA estimates @oryxspioenkop https://t.co/kEiMkb9Gew

UKR force estimates from The Military Balance 2021 from @IISS_org

Others as notedhttps://t.co/nMCfFYV80h

— Michael Bond (@HelloMrBond) March 19, 2022

Slovakia starts deploying Patriot air defence system https://t.co/Keq79TFHCn pic.twitter.com/uinHIukE77

— Reuters World (@ReutersWorld) March 20, 2022

Ukrainians deliberately flooding around Kiev to limit Russian options. SITREP

Ferk Belarus

Equipment continues to move to western Belarus. With expectations that the Belarusians may open a front to cut supply lines from NATO. https://t.co/JT4vGfnOo8

— Woofers (@NotWoofers) March 20, 2022

General Staff of the Ukrainian army fears a Belarusian offensive in the Volyn region in north-western #Ukraine. An attack is expected in the next two days. "The risk is assessed as high" - FOCUS pic.twitter.com/BhzJTHia9I

— marqs (@MarQs__) March 20, 2022

Russians killed 56 people at nursing home in Kreminna, Luhansk oblast, also kidnapping 15 survivors on March 11. “They just put the tank in front of the house and started firing,” authorities said.

— Anastasiia Lapatina (@lapatina_) March 20, 2022

Summary
OSINT % losses
RU Cmtd(RU total) vs UKR total

Personnel 15.2(3.2) vs 3.8
Armor 19.8(4.2) vs 6.2
Tanks 20.3(7.4) vs 7.8
Artillery 6.4(1.8) vs 1.5
Aircraft 3.9(0.9) vs 8
Helicopters 14.2(3.5) vs 2.1

— Michael Bond (@HelloMrBond) March 19, 2022

🌐🇺🇦NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg on the possibility of introducing a no-fly zone over Ukraine: this conflict must not be allowed to escalate into a war between the alliance and Russia.#NATO #UKRAINE https://t.co/7trX8a0JiE

— Military Rage (@militaryrage) March 20, 2022

#Ukraine: A VERY rare Russian T-80UK tank was captured by the Ukrainian forces. In total, the Russian army has only a few of these tanks - and two of them were already lost in Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/SjnmVjml3L

— 🇺🇦 Ukraine Weapons Tracker (@UAWeapons) March 20, 2022

Member of #Russia-installed so-called "#Kherson rescue committee for peace and order", Pavel Slobodchikov, shot dead in occupied Kherson,his wife in grave condition.#Ukraine #RussiaInvadesUkraine

— UAWire (@uawire) March 20, 2022

I spoke to President @ZelenskyyUa this afternoon to set out how I will be working to advance Ukraine’s interests at meetings of NATO and the G7 this week.

The UK will continue to step up military, economic and diplomatic support to help bring an end to this terrible conflict.

— Boris Johnson (@BorisJohnson) March 20, 2022