ABATTBQ11 said:
Waffledynamics said:
Ag In Ok said:
Rossticus said:
I don't agree based on current events. If it were that close, there wouldn't be a loss of isium (sp) and Russian breakthroughs along the Donetsk front.
Remember that the Germans made significant gains during the Kaiserschlacht at the end of WWI. They also could not sustain them because of major logistical problems, which lead to their initially successful offensive to fail.
I'm not saying the optimistic prediction is right or wrong, but rather that you can still see some gains being made by the ultimate loser in the conflict.
And the Battle of the Bulge. The Germans had gains and breakouts, but ultimately they lacked the fuel and resources necessary to maintain their gains or move further. They were pushed back relatively quickly and ultimately defeated within 4 months in a much larger conflict.
I'm not sure I think 50 BTG's are out of the fight. 30ish or maybe 40 at the high end. Either way it explains Russia's inaction. It takes a long time and superior people to reconstitute groups, resupply, reinforce, reorient and then get them back into the fight. And again if they moved 200,000 troops up to the border a good percentage of those were not combat troops or trigger pullers in our vernacular.
If the Ukes are claiming 13,500 Russians killed. USIC is saying (publicly) 8,000. I think we're somewhat north of the USIC but below the Ukes claim. Based on numbers the US calculations line up with the minimum of the Open Intel community and they're backlogged verifying things. So my conservative guess is 10,000. So call this 42-44k casualties including POW. Their combat and forward supply units are probably in real trouble manpower wise. If they are indeed at 70% (my guess USIC is 60%) of claimed destruction (I bet the air loses are much more inflated than the Tank/IFV/AFV/APC/Truck counts) then the Russians have lost over 30% of their pre-invasion armor. A bit higher in their IFV/AFV/APC. They're going to have a devil of a time regaining the offensive without a LOT of units moving up into a confused and crowded battlespace with probably limited resupply outside ammunition and maybe food/fuel. Parts will start being an issue in another 3 weeks. And if the Ukes start getting more advanced weapons like loitering munitions, more drones, better AD and a continual flow of ATGM then I'd be looking for the exit right now or trying to suck Uke forces into an area and nuking them after a build up to back on the offensive.
There don't look to be good options at this point without massively reinforcing and I don't see the logistics capability to supply that effectively.