The tweet is defunct I think. The only one that won't load for me on the entire page, even after refreshing several times.Irish 2.0 said:
So apparently a tweet saying that Ukraine has rejected the agreement isn't worthy on this thread...
I'm done with this thread. Mods have no consistency with what information stays up and what is removed.
Nagler said:RebelE Infantry said:FireAg said:You do realize we (meaning NATO) are already fighting a proxy war against Russia, right?RebelE Infantry said:Red Pear Realty said:BREAKING: Poland’s Vice Premier calls for a NATO peacekeeping mission backed by armed forces to protect Ukraine
— Samuel Ramani (@SamRamani2) March 16, 2022
Someone please put a muzzle on this guy, he's absolutely insane.
At some point, I'm fairly convinced one of two things is going to happen:
1. Putin is neutralized...
2. Some things get a bit too close for comfort for some Eastern Bloc NATO countries, and they go in to help Ukraine...
Short of actual boots on the ground, NATO vs Putin is going down right before our very eyes...everything else is just semantics...
We are basically one wet fart away from this thing escalating further, and I'm not sure any of us can do much about it...
Best I can tell so far, if full scale WW3 broke out, I'm seeing Axis Powers being Russia, Belarus, China, Iran, and Syria, at a minimum...
Yes, and it's madness. I have absolutely zero interest in starting WW3 over a regional dispute along the Black Sea. How many American lives are you willing to spend to prop up a ridiculously corrupt Eastern European country with little to no strategic value to us?
We are being plunged headlong into war by the most intense propaganda campaign in probably human history and most everyone seems hunky dory about it. Moreover, this lunatic Pollack seems to think that the best way to save Ukraine is to start a world war there.
This.
Keep sending in equipment and providing the Ukes with as much help as needed but don't get Americans killed over this.
Tell Poland if they decide they want to get involved, we'll support the same way we are with Ukraine but we're not sending American troops.
Until Putin attacks a NATO country we need to stay out.
It's terrible but what is happening but we're not the world police, it's not worth getting American boys killed over this.
Eliminatus said:The tweet is defunct I think. The only one that won't load for me on the entire page, even after refreshing several times.Irish 2.0 said:
So apparently a tweet saying that Ukraine has rejected the agreement isn't worthy on this thread...
I'm done with this thread. Mods have no consistency with what information stays up and what is removed.
It's happened a couple of other times and mods delete it since it doesn't load properly for some reason.
Eliminatus said:
I know this has been posted already but I finally went through it frame by frame and I am convinced this was an anti-tank mine or similar.
The location could not be more perfect for a mine. Very close setup as to the first KIA my squad had in Iraq actually. There was no projectile in the video. It touches off the instant the left tread hits the ground.
The reason I bring this up again though, is that this is the first I have seen of using emplaced explosive devices against the Russians, on land at least. Not saying it hasn't happened of course but the first I have seen. An interesting data point to me. Mines are in another category of warfare and certain decisions have to be made to use them knowing the possible consequences. I know the Ukes don't have much choice after all trying to repel Russia but this type of asymmetric warfare is not lightly made for obvious reasons such as reprisals and friendly fire chances. Especially against civilians.
Again, just interesting to me. I am a certified humanitarian de-miner, did it once and noped out of that forever and went back to UXO. The cleanup phase of this war once it ends is going to be a nightmare.
You can look at my response quoting the tweet and see that it's not loading on here. Maybe we're talking about two different tweets, not sure.Irish 2.0 said:
Nope. Looking at it right now on Twitter.
Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
and then?Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
My guess is the legal status portion kills it. (I believe Kyiv already killed this though).Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
WORLD COURT ORDERS RUSSIA TO CEASE MILITARY OPERATIONS IN UKRAINE
— First Squawk (@FirstSquawk) March 16, 2022
New: US & NATO allies are sending several surface-to-air missiles systems to Ukraine. A senior US official tells me these systems include Soviet-era SA-8, SA-10, SA-12 and SA-14 mobile air defense systems, w/range higher than Stingers, giving capability to hit cruise missiles.
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) March 16, 2022
Western countries have already provided extra air defence systems to Ukraine, US rep says https://t.co/zZZU4KOLVE
— Neil Hauer (@NeilPHauer) March 16, 2022
Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
Only thing maybe encouraging at this point is Putin seems to be bending a little. He needs to bend further to have anything meaningful to Ukraine.Captain Positivity said:Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
Not really encouraging.
Putin withdraws. They spend billions rebuilding from the rubble.
Russia waits five years and invades again.
Seems more likely stalling for time to regroup his largely dysfunctional forces.richardag said:Only thing maybe encouraging at this point is Putin seems to be bending a little. He needs to bend further to have anything meaningful to Ukraine.Captain Positivity said:Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
Not really encouraging.
Putin withdraws. They spend billions rebuilding from the rubble.
Russia waits five years and invades again.
Why not both?PJYoung said:Eliminatus said:
I know this has been posted already but I finally went through it frame by frame and I am convinced this was an anti-tank mine or similar.
The location could not be more perfect for a mine. Very close setup as to the first KIA my squad had in Iraq actually. There was no projectile in the video. It touches off the instant the left tread hits the ground.
The reason I bring this up again though, is that this is the first I have seen of using emplaced explosive devices against the Russians, on land at least. Not saying it hasn't happened of course but the first I have seen. An interesting data point to me. Mines are in another category of warfare and certain decisions have to be made to use them knowing the possible consequences. I know the Ukes don't have much choice after all trying to repel Russia but this type of asymmetric warfare is not lightly made for obvious reasons such as reprisals and friendly fire chances. Especially against civilians.
Again, just interesting to me. I am a certified humanitarian de-miner, did it once and noped out of that forever and went back to UXO. The cleanup phase of this war once it ends is going to be a nightmare.
Lower the playback speed to .25 and you will see what looks like a projectile coming in from the right side.
OR it's quite possible the mine was on that side of the tank. The timing of the tank hitting the ground argues for a mine.
"Russian survivors of the Voznesensk battle left behind nearly 30 of their 43 tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, multiple-rocket launchers and trucks, as well as a downed Mi-24 attack helicopter, according to Ukrainian officials in the city." https://t.co/cTsyxnhQSM
— Michael Weiss 🌻🇺🇸🇮🇪 (@michaeldweiss) March 16, 2022
Quote:
Russian forces retreated more than 40 miles to the southeast, where other Ukrainian units have continued pounding them. Some dispersed in nearby forests, where local officials said 10 soldiers have been captured.
"We didn't have a single tank against them, just rocket-propelled grenades, Javelin missiles and the help of artillery," said Vadym Dombrovsky, commander of the Ukrainian special-forces reconnaissance group in the area and a Voznesensk resident. "The Russians didn't expect us to be so strong. It was a surprise for them. If they had taken Voznesensk, they would have cut off the whole south of Ukraine."
Ukrainian officers estimated that some 100 Russian troops died in Voznesensk, including those whose bodies were taken by retreating Russian troops or burned inside carbonized vehicles. As of Tuesday, 11 dead Russian soldiers were in the railway car turned morgue, with search parties looking for other bodies in nearby forests. Villagers buried some others.
Quote:
The Russian assault began with missile strikes and shelling that hit central Voznesensk, destroying the municipal swimming pool and damaging high-rises. Helicopters dropped Russian air-assault troops in a forested ridge southwest of Voznesensk, as an armored column drove from the southeast. Mr. Velichko said a local collaborator with the Russians, a woman driving a Hyundai SUV, showed the Russian column a way through back roads.
Ukrainian officers estimate that some 400 Russian troops took part in the attack. The number would have been bigger if these forcesmostly from the 126th naval infantry brigade based in Perevalnoye, Crimea, according to seized documentshadn't come under heavy shelling along the way.
Quote:
Ukrainian shelling blew craters in the field, and some Russian vehicles sustained direct hits. Other Ukrainian regular troops and Territorial Defense forces moved toward Russian positions on foot, hitting vehicles with U.S.-supplied Javelin missiles. As Russian armor caught fireincluding three of the five tanks in the wheat fieldsoldiers abandoned functioning vehicles and escaped on foot or sped off in the BTRs that still had fuel. They left crates of ammunition.
Mr. Rudenko picked up a Russian conscript days later, he said, who served as an assistant artillery specialist at a Grad multiple-rocket launcher that attacked Voznesensk from a forest. The 18-year-old conscript, originally from eastern Ukraine and a Crimea resident since 2014, suffered a concussion after a Ukrainian shell hit near him. He woke the next morning, left his weapon and wandered into a village, Mr. Rudenko said. There, a woman took him into her home and called the village head, who informed Territorial Defense. "He's still in shock about what happened to him," Mr. Rudenko said.
Mr. Dombrovsky, the reconnaissance-unit commander, said he captured several soldiers in their early 20s and a 31-year-old senior lieutenant from the Russian military intelligence. The lieutenant, he said, had forced a private to swap uniforms but was discovered because of the age discrepancyand because Ukrainian forces found Russian personnel files in the column's command vehicle.
"The Russians had orders to come in, seize, and await further instructions," Mr. Dombrovsky said. "But they had no orders for what to do if they are defeated. That, they didn't plan for."
Quote:
The Ukrainian army's 80th brigade was towing away the last remaining Russian BTRs with "Z" painted on their sides, the identification markers that in Russia have become the symbol of the invasion. About 15 Russian tanks and other vehicles were in working or salvageable condition, said Mr. Dombrovsky. "We are ready to hit the Russians with their own weapons," he said. Others, mostly burned-out wrecks, were removed from streets because they scared civilians and contained ordnance, the mayor said.
Quote:
Electricity, disrupted during combat, has returned in Voznesensk, as have internet, gas and water services. ATMs have been restocked with cash, supermarkets with food.
The only explosions are from bomb squads occasionally disposing ordnance. Mr. Velichko, the mayor, fielded citizen phone calls Tuesday, telling one he would take care of a possibly rabid dog and assuring another that her utilities wouldn't be cut in wartime even if she was late in paying. He argued with an army commander because Ukrainian soldiers had siphoned fuel from the gas station.
Spartak Hukasian, head of the Voznesensk district council, said the cityno longer near front lineswas starting to get used to relatively peaceful life again. "He who laughs last laughs best," he said. "We haven't had a chance to laugh until now."
Bag said:and then?Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
This accomplishes nothing
What's the World Court? Is it the same as the ICC?McInnis 03 said:
This will fix it.WORLD COURT ORDERS RUSSIA TO CEASE MILITARY OPERATIONS IN UKRAINE
— First Squawk (@FirstSquawk) March 16, 2022
GarryowenAg said:What's the World Court? Is it the same as the ICC?McInnis 03 said:
This will fix it.WORLD COURT ORDERS RUSSIA TO CEASE MILITARY OPERATIONS IN UKRAINE
— First Squawk (@FirstSquawk) March 16, 2022
at .25 playback you can see the driver gun the engine to get thru the ditch which creates an exhaust plume on the left of the tank (right side of the video) then the tank comes down and big explosion left side of tank.deddog said:Why not both?PJYoung said:Eliminatus said:
I know this has been posted already but I finally went through it frame by frame and I am convinced this was an anti-tank mine or similar.
The location could not be more perfect for a mine. Very close setup as to the first KIA my squad had in Iraq actually. There was no projectile in the video. It touches off the instant the left tread hits the ground.
The reason I bring this up again though, is that this is the first I have seen of using emplaced explosive devices against the Russians, on land at least. Not saying it hasn't happened of course but the first I have seen. An interesting data point to me. Mines are in another category of warfare and certain decisions have to be made to use them knowing the possible consequences. I know the Ukes don't have much choice after all trying to repel Russia but this type of asymmetric warfare is not lightly made for obvious reasons such as reprisals and friendly fire chances. Especially against civilians.
Again, just interesting to me. I am a certified humanitarian de-miner, did it once and noped out of that forever and went back to UXO. The cleanup phase of this war once it ends is going to be a nightmare.
Lower the playback speed to .25 and you will see what looks like a projectile coming in from the right side.
OR it's quite possible the mine was on that side of the tank. The timing of the tank hitting the ground argues for a mine.
You can see a faint plume right before impact and explosion on the left of the tank.
I remember the German's used to have an anti-tank mine that would be triggered like an anti-tank missile. Really short range (I'm talking like 25-50 yards); once the tanks hits a pressure pad on the road, the mine triggers and shoots the projectile.
It's safer than an anti-tank missile, but has clear tactical limitations
Definitely no projectile. I studied that film like the Zapruder film. The plume was the exhaust of the tank on the side when it revved to go over the hump at the end of the crossing. (Fun fact, this is where you throw Molotovs at) Plus, the land next to it on the explosion side is raised like a mound. It would obscure any shot to the tracks where the explosion absolutely originated from.deddog said:Why not both?PJYoung said:Eliminatus said:
I know this has been posted already but I finally went through it frame by frame and I am convinced this was an anti-tank mine or similar.
The location could not be more perfect for a mine. Very close setup as to the first KIA my squad had in Iraq actually. There was no projectile in the video. It touches off the instant the left tread hits the ground.
The reason I bring this up again though, is that this is the first I have seen of using emplaced explosive devices against the Russians, on land at least. Not saying it hasn't happened of course but the first I have seen. An interesting data point to me. Mines are in another category of warfare and certain decisions have to be made to use them knowing the possible consequences. I know the Ukes don't have much choice after all trying to repel Russia but this type of asymmetric warfare is not lightly made for obvious reasons such as reprisals and friendly fire chances. Especially against civilians.
Again, just interesting to me. I am a certified humanitarian de-miner, did it once and noped out of that forever and went back to UXO. The cleanup phase of this war once it ends is going to be a nightmare.
Lower the playback speed to .25 and you will see what looks like a projectile coming in from the right side.
OR it's quite possible the mine was on that side of the tank. The timing of the tank hitting the ground argues for a mine.
You can see a faint plume right before impact and explosion on the left of the tank.
I remember the German's used to have an anti-tank mine that would be triggered like an anti-tank missile. Really short range (I'm talking like 25-50 yards); once the tanks hits a pressure pad on the road, the mine triggers and shoots the projectile.
It's safer than an anti-tank missile, but has clear tactical limitations
Ulrich said:
Wait, so Russia invaded and one of the things they want in exchange for leaving is a promise that Ukraine won't protect themselves from future invasions?
If I were Ukraine, I would sign this deal but then arrange to break it asap… and the announcement would come after NATO forces are in Ukraine.
PJYoung said:Ulrich said:
Wait, so Russia invaded and one of the things they want in exchange for leaving is a promise that Ukraine won't protect themselves from future invasions?
If I were Ukraine, I would sign this deal but then arrange to break it asap… and the announcement would come after NATO forces are in Ukraine.
Russia already broke their 1994 agreement (called the Budapest Memorandum) with Ukraine by annexing Crimea in 2014. This latest invasion just buried that agreement completely.
No treaty with Russia is worth the paper it's written on.
Another intercept of RU soldier talking to his girls.
— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) March 16, 2022
- Out of 500 people less than 100 are fucking alive… Who needed this fucking war?… + all kinds of cursing to #Russian military leadership.#StandWithUkraine #нетвойне #РоссияСмотри #FreeIvanFedorov pic.twitter.com/RsQX5Fym3v
Ukraine would be foolish not to do the same. They will not sit on their hands. They know how to hurt the RussiansCaptain Positivity said:Charpie said:Encouraging. https://t.co/tUrA6Z6GUI
— Michael McFaul (@McFaul) March 16, 2022
Not really encouraging.
Putin withdraws. They spend billions rebuilding from the rubble.
Russia waits five years and invades again.
Agthatbuilds said:GarryowenAg said:What's the World Court? Is it the same as the ICC?McInnis 03 said:
This will fix it.WORLD COURT ORDERS RUSSIA TO CEASE MILITARY OPERATIONS IN UKRAINE
— First Squawk (@FirstSquawk) March 16, 2022
The world Court and what army?
World courts are stupid.
How Putin managed to derussify East Ukraine in just 8 years?
— Kamil Galeev (@kamilkazani) March 16, 2022
Discussion on the potential deescalation of the war in Ukraine with all security implications it has illustrates the difference between the goal- oriented and the system-oriented thinking 🧵 pic.twitter.com/P8A4e94c9f
