the backlog with Lockheed Martin is for F-35 Lightning II not for old obsolescent F-16swangus12 said:
That's how I took it. We're replacing planes because Poland is giving theirs
Perfect example of the massive 🇺🇦 advantage in night vision and thermal capabilities. pic.twitter.com/W8RjOgfZo2
— Abraxas Spa (@AbraxasSpa) March 5, 2022
bottom of the line cheapest...CondensedFoggyAggie said:Perfect example of the massive 🇺🇦 advantage in night vision and thermal capabilities. pic.twitter.com/W8RjOgfZo2
— Abraxas Spa (@AbraxasSpa) March 5, 2022
Is the ATN brand pretty good for those in the know?
https://ww2-history.fandom.com/wiki/Rasputitsa_(Definition)Red Pear Realty said:
Check out that mudСелянам халявная российская САУшка привалила https://t.co/SzWj4O2Kbe #RussianUkrainianWar #всрф pic.twitter.com/FP1aOUdkFA
— Necro Mancer (@666_mancer) March 5, 2022
erudite said:
A redditor may or may not have just gotten a bunch of Ukrainians killed for upvotes.
Guess what happens when you post pictures of people staging in schools? Russians flatten every school in combat radius.
Social media is the downfall of society.
GORE WARNING:
You aren't reading the news before typing a response. These are NOT F-16s going to Ukraine,EMY92 said:It takes a long time to learn how to effectively fight with an aircraft. Just because they are pilots, they don't know how to use the F-16 in a fight. I'm sure that an intensive 1 month training could get them to the point they'd have a chance to survive.JobSecurity said:
Military/aero guys - what's the lead time on an F16? Dumb question but I assume we don't keep 'excess' that we could sell immediately?US working with Poland/others who want to give Ukraine Soviet-made fighter jets, I’m told, confirming @Dimi’s report. But it’s complicated. The Eastern Europeans want military readiness, so want US to backfill their fleets with F-16s—but that takes long time with bids/building.
— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) March 5, 2022
There is also the logistical side. Can their Soviet era refueling equipment work on an F-16. What about weapons? Tools for the maintenance crews? Spare parts, the list goes on. It's not like going to the rental counter and picking up a car brand that you don't own.
keeping this to strategy discussion:javajaws said:htownag10 said:
I guess the meeting with Russia and Israel didn't go wellThe Israel PM must have gotten some bad news from Putin on his trip there...
— EndGameWW3 🇺🇸 (@EndGameWW3) March 5, 2022
Update: The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs urges its citizens in Russia to leave the country immediately.
That's not good. Sounding like Putin might be totally off his rocker.
I hate this new generation of information warfare.Agthatbuilds said:
That's from a few days ago. I think, iirc, some saboteurs went in to "join" the resistance and opened up on the gaggle
Ten days since the Russian invasion of Ukraine began. In the past 24 hours, we have seen limited Russian progress in the north and east, increased use of Russian air power, & some progress in the south. The capture of Kyiv is the focus of this thread. 1/25 (Image @IAPonomarenko) pic.twitter.com/0LeFl7X0YK
— Major General (just retired!) Mick Ryan (@WarintheFuture) March 6, 2022
Ukraine's NSDC has launched a website on Russian POWs captured in Ukraine for their families. Using it, the families can get in touch with representatives of Ukrainian MoD.
— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) March 6, 2022
ℹ️https://t.co/QfDV4r48qE pic.twitter.com/1o4fMhi1y5
Zelensky's advisor: We are thinking of establishing camps to accommodate the large number of Russian prisoners https://t.co/ftgIu6fuuh
— EndGameWW3 🇺🇸 (@EndGameWW3) March 6, 2022
A quick response - *again* - to the people who think we should get the jump on war “because Putin’s gonna do it anyway.”
— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) March 5, 2022
There is a world of difference between being ready for war and starting a war. /1
⚡️Russian troops are headed towards the Kaniv Hydroelectric Power Plant, about 100 kilometers south of Kyiv, the General staff of Ukraine’s Armed Forces reported on March 5.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 6, 2022
Gotta be very careful here, Ukes. Don't feed Russian propaganda.JobSecurity said:Ukraine's NSDC has launched a website on Russian POWs captured in Ukraine for their families. Using it, the families can get in touch with representatives of Ukrainian MoD.
— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) March 6, 2022
ℹ️https://t.co/QfDV4r48qE pic.twitter.com/1o4fMhi1y5Zelensky's advisor: We are thinking of establishing camps to accommodate the large number of Russian prisoners https://t.co/ftgIu6fuuh
— EndGameWW3 🇺🇸 (@EndGameWW3) March 6, 2022
WSJ: The U.S. is working with Poland on the possibility of Poland providing fighter jets to Ukraine in return for American F-16 jet fighters, U.S. officials said on March 5.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 6, 2022
The deal would require White House approval and congressional action, U.S. officials said
erudite said:
https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1500296791178285059?cxt=HHwWhsC4_fH-j9IpAAAA
WSJ: The U.S. is working with Poland on the possibility of Poland providing fighter jets to Ukraine in return for American F-16 jet fighters, U.S. officials said on March 5.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 6, 2022
The deal would require White House approval and congressional action, U.S. officials said
Back to the USSR: “The Russian government and major supermarket chains have agreed to restrict the amount of food staples sold to each customer in an effort to limit hoarding”- @nytimes
— Bianna Golodryga (@biannagolodryga) March 6, 2022
Ag In Ok said:aggiehawg said:
I am missing the Ukrainian statements that they are about to encircle Russian forces
Voice of America: 3,000 U.S. volunteers have responded to Ukraine’s call for people to serve in an international battalion that will help resist Russia’s all-out invasion, a representative of the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington told VOA.
— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 6, 2022
Kharkiv tonight pic.twitter.com/OJGrWm3liP
— Woofers (@NotWoofers) March 6, 2022
Pres. Zelenskyy's March 5 evening address. "Every meter won [back] is a step towards victory. This is a chance at life.
— J. Paul Kirby (@JPaulKirby) March 5, 2022
Ukrainians, in all our cities where the enemy has entered: Feel it. Go on the offensive."
(No subtitles.) Part 1 of 4 pic.twitter.com/zpUF8owHSU
A few Ukrainian billboards south of Kyiv today:
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) March 5, 2022
“Welcome to hell, you Russian motherfuckers.”
“Russian occupant, want to live? Give me your best Ukrainian trident.”
“Those who come at us with a sword will die by a sword.” pic.twitter.com/sitU1CfGei
Jayhawk said:
There is no way Russia is running out of fuel, vehicles, food, etc. There is no doubt that given enough time the Russian military will wear out the Ukrainian armed forces by attrition, regardless of the number of casualties they are forced to absorb.
Ukraine's best hope for something like a victory is for Russia's money supply to run out. Russia's weak spot is not its poor tactics or apparently non-existent operational planning or its equipment, its the finite amount of cash that Moscow has to pay for this. The Ukrainians win by drawing this out as long as possible and then, if they can keep the will to fight, by making it a brutal and expensive occupation. No amount of purely military successes will win this for Ukraine, but turning it into a massive financial ulcer is a viable path toward victory.
Ukraine was never going to win this as a conventional battle. It appears the strategy is to try and hold Russians to urban fighting and attack the back at night with SOF and other highly trained forces. It seems that Ukrain is trying to try up Russian resources at the cities and use NATO ISR to strategically counter-attack at night.Jayhawk said:
There is no way Russia is running out of fuel, vehicles, food, etc. There is no doubt that given enough time the Russian military will wear out the Ukrainian armed forces by attrition, regardless of the number of casualties they are forced to absorb.
Ukraine's best hope for something like a victory is for Russia's money supply to run out. Russia's weak spot is not its poor tactics or apparently non-existent operational planning or its equipment, its the finite amount of cash that Moscow has to pay for this. The Ukrainians win by drawing this out as long as possible and then, if they can keep the will to fight, by making it a brutal and expensive occupation. No amount of purely military successes will win this for Ukraine, but turning it into a massive financial ulcer is a viable path toward victory.
Here's a message from Sergey Nevstruyev, a 59-year-old American fighting in Ukraine. He says Ukrainian fighters need helmets, gloves, body armor, and medical supplies. Read my story about him at https://t.co/EM9WHYPVLA pic.twitter.com/xsC5RTo8N3
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) March 5, 2022
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/a-message-from-an-american-fighting-in-ukraine/Quote:
A week or so ago, Sergey Nevstruyev, a 59-year-old father of four and grandfather of three who owns construction and remodeling businesses in North Carolina, was in his home in Charlotte, watching the horrific images of Vladimir Putin's illegal attack on Ukraine. Today he is in Kyiv, serving as a major in a Ukrainian brigade
He requested basic supplies for Ukrainian fighters: helmets, gloves, body armor, and medical supplies. "We don't need NATO troops," Nevstruyev said. But to do that we need help. It's very important this help comes as soon as possible. We don't need it tomorrow. We need it today."
When Nevstruyev departed Charlotte for Europe, he did not tell his wife that he was heading to the war zone. His cover story was that he would be doing humanitarian work in Poland. She asked, why are you taking a bullet-proof vest? "She knew," he said.
I know how logistics work.... The Russians have had far bigger logstics FUBARs than this in their history. They have that column stuck north of Kyiv, I imagine it is an absolute goat rope at the moment. BUT, the Ukrainians do not have the capability to remove it from the battlefield. So whether it takes weeks or months, those forces, even in degraded condition will still be there by the time the Russians figure out how to get diesel flowing, which eventually they will. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying this is going to be resolved by the Russians in a competent way. Just that it will eventually be resolved in a ... Russian way. Which means absurd levels of casualties, insane amount of material losses and waste, but ultimately overpowering to their outnumbered and outgunned opponent. But that is IF they don't lose the ability to pay for force sustainment first, which in my view is truly the Russians biggest weakness.Eliminatus said:Jayhawk said:
There is no way Russia is running out of fuel, vehicles, food, etc. There is no doubt that given enough time the Russian military will wear out the Ukrainian armed forces by attrition, regardless of the number of casualties they are forced to absorb.
Ukraine's best hope for something like a victory is for Russia's money supply to run out. Russia's weak spot is not its poor tactics or apparently non-existent operational planning or its equipment, its the finite amount of cash that Moscow has to pay for this. The Ukrainians win by drawing this out as long as possible and then, if they can keep the will to fight, by making it a brutal and expensive occupation. No amount of purely military successes will win this for Ukraine, but turning it into a massive financial ulcer is a viable path toward victory.
I am not sure you know how logistics work. Not being facetious either. The main battle of logistics is getting the stuff where it needs to be at the time it needs to be there. That isn't happening in Ukraine, for several known reasons and a couple unknown. Verifiable. You may be right and it won't matter in the end, but wars have turned due to that very point I just made. No matter how powerful on paper. Operation Barbarossa is a screaming example of this.
Also, both things can be true ya know.
Godspeed Sergey.CondensedFoggyAggie said:Here's a message from Sergey Nevstruyev, a 59-year-old American fighting in Ukraine. He says Ukrainian fighters need helmets, gloves, body armor, and medical supplies. Read my story about him at https://t.co/EM9WHYPVLA pic.twitter.com/xsC5RTo8N3
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) March 5, 2022https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/03/a-message-from-an-american-fighting-in-ukraine/Quote:
A week or so ago, Sergey Nevstruyev, a 59-year-old father of four and grandfather of three who owns construction and remodeling businesses in North Carolina, was in his home in Charlotte, watching the horrific images of Vladimir Putin's illegal attack on Ukraine. Today he is in Kyiv, serving as a major in a Ukrainian brigade
He requested basic supplies for Ukrainian fighters: helmets, gloves, body armor, and medical supplies. "We don't need NATO troops," Nevstruyev said. But to do that we need help. It's very important this help comes as soon as possible. We don't need it tomorrow. We need it today."
When Nevstruyev departed Charlotte for Europe, he did not tell his wife that he was heading to the war zone. His cover story was that he would be doing humanitarian work in Poland. She asked, why are you taking a bullet-proof vest? "She knew," he said.
Godspeed Sergey
Yeah I see it the same way based on what we have access to in the open sources. Makes sense as far as a tactical approach. I hope the Ukrainians can keep those apparently excellent fighting units in high cohesion and combat effectiveness, even if it means that eventually they have to become highly mobile and removed from any kind of continuous FLOT.clw04 said:Ukraine was never going to win this as a conventional battle. It appears the strategy is to try and hold Russians to urban fighting and attack the back at night with SOF and other highly trained forces. It seems that Ukrain is trying to try up Russian resources at the cities and use NATO ISR to strategically counter-attack at night.Jayhawk said:
There is no way Russia is running out of fuel, vehicles, food, etc. There is no doubt that given enough time the Russian military will wear out the Ukrainian armed forces by attrition, regardless of the number of casualties they are forced to absorb.
Ukraine's best hope for something like a victory is for Russia's money supply to run out. Russia's weak spot is not its poor tactics or apparently non-existent operational planning or its equipment, its the finite amount of cash that Moscow has to pay for this. The Ukrainians win by drawing this out as long as possible and then, if they can keep the will to fight, by making it a brutal and expensive occupation. No amount of purely military successes will win this for Ukraine, but turning it into a massive financial ulcer is a viable path toward victory.
Jayhawk said:I know how logistics work.... The Russians have had far bigger logstics FUBARs than this in their history. They have that column stuck north of Kyiv, I imagine it is an absolute goat rope at the moment. BUT, the Ukrainians do not have the capability to remove it from the battlefield. So whether it takes weeks or months, those forces, even in degraded condition will still be there by the time the Russians figure out how to get diesel flowing, which eventually they will. And don't get me wrong, I am not saying this is going to be resolved by the Russians in a competent way. Just that it will eventually be resolved in a ... Russian way. Which means absurd levels of casualties, insane amount of material losses and waste, but ultimately overpowering to their outnumbered and outgunned opponent. But that is IF they don't lose the ability to pay for force sustainment first, which in my view is truly the Russians biggest weakness.Eliminatus said:Jayhawk said:
There is no way Russia is running out of fuel, vehicles, food, etc. There is no doubt that given enough time the Russian military will wear out the Ukrainian armed forces by attrition, regardless of the number of casualties they are forced to absorb.
Ukraine's best hope for something like a victory is for Russia's money supply to run out. Russia's weak spot is not its poor tactics or apparently non-existent operational planning or its equipment, its the finite amount of cash that Moscow has to pay for this. The Ukrainians win by drawing this out as long as possible and then, if they can keep the will to fight, by making it a brutal and expensive occupation. No amount of purely military successes will win this for Ukraine, but turning it into a massive financial ulcer is a viable path toward victory.
I am not sure you know how logistics work. Not being facetious either. The main battle of logistics is getting the stuff where it needs to be at the time it needs to be there. That isn't happening in Ukraine, for several known reasons and a couple unknown. Verifiable. You may be right and it won't matter in the end, but wars have turned due to that very point I just made. No matter how powerful on paper. Operation Barbarossa is a screaming example of this.
Also, both things can be true ya know.
A number of our NATO allies are retiring their F-16s as they receive F-35s.LMCane said:the backlog with Lockheed Martin is for F-35 Lightning II not for old obsolescent F-16swangus12 said:
That's how I took it. We're replacing planes because Poland is giving theirs
I am sure there are ANG units which are about to move away from F-16D or E which they can give to Poland until they buy F-35.
