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I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action

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Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.

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I find it very difficult to understand how a no fly zone in a sovereign country that is not russia, is a declaration of war on russia?

I have now heard multiple politicians and media message lets be first to respond to the impending humanitarian crisis. No **** that stand up and do what it takes to prevent the humanitarian crisis this time and the next.

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Enforcement of a no-fly zone means shooting Russian aircraft down. You don't see how that might be a problem?

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Or you don't shoot them down and have showed a hand of utter weakness.

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Several US Officials are reporting that Multiple Russian Warships and Amphibious Assault Ships have been observed leaving Crimea in the direction of the Coastal city of Odessa in the last few hours, Officials have said an Amphibious Attack on the city could come by Thursday.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 3, 2022

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Letting them have Crimea was one of the worst decisions NATO could have made, and it is proving to be disastrous in this war.

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Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.

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No way in hell.

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What makes you say that?

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Rail for one. Russia's Army is apparently heavily rail dependent. They even have rail battalions trained on repairing tracks and train equipment and moving equipment by rail. Everything from factory to front lines. The problem is that their rail gauge is distinctly Russian/Soviet. Their trains can't help them in foreign countries and they need to capture equipment as a part of their logistics effort.

However, there is a rail line from Ukraine into Poland they matches their gauge. It could be used as their main supply route into Poland and help them avoid the issues they have now with not having the equipment necessary to maintain operations.

Perhaps we can call the no fly zone something else, like we called our blockade a quarantine in Cuba.

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This may get flagged, but I think is on-topic and just the way things are. As stated above I think Rubio is doing things with a purpose and with consent (or with the instruction) on the IC. If these comments were coming from the Administration half the country would not believe it (see the 16th prediction for the start of the attack). Rubio is now doing what the administration did before the attack, and I think is on purpose they chose a Republican to deliver the messages.

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Interesting analysis, to be honest. Maybe he is legitimate. I'm just very skeptical that someone looking for a soapbox won't find one even if it's unfounded.

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Several US Officials are reporting that Multiple Russian Warships and Amphibious Assault Ships have been observed leaving Crimea in the direction of the Coastal city of Odessa in the last few hours, Officials have said an Amphibious Attack on the city could come by Thursday.

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Letting them have Crimea was one of the worst decisions NATO could have made, and it is proving to be disastrous in this war.

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Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.

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No way in hell.

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Putin is in for the full monty. Poland is in play. Otherwise he would have only gone for Donbas and Luthansk and stopped.... for now.

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Several US Officials are reporting that Multiple Russian Warships and Amphibious Assault Ships have been observed leaving Crimea in the direction of the Coastal city of Odessa in the last few hours, Officials have said an Amphibious Attack on the city could come by Thursday.

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Letting them have Crimea was one of the worst decisions NATO could have made, and it is proving to be disastrous in this war.

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Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.

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No way in hell.

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Putin is in for the full monty. Poland is in play. Otherwise he would have only gone for Donbas and Luthansk and stopped.... for now.

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I can promise you Putin will get NO WHERE close to getting Poland ..,, NATO would rip Russia's arse a new one in 2-3 days …. All that equipment Russia has in Ukraine would be taken out of service in several days … NATO would take air superiority and lay waste to their forces…. It would be a bloody lights out scenario for Russia … talk about the highway to hell in Iraq, it would be this times 100 if they tried this in Poland ,,, would never happen

Lol… Harg I never go against you but I don't think Russia has any chance if this goes full blown NATO.. just won't happen

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Here are some quotes from the informational

https://meduza.io/feature/2022/03/03/kogda-ty-vstupish-v-sovsem-uzh-vzrosluyu-zhizn-vse-uzhe-ulyazhetsya?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=main

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On March 3, at the initiative of the Ministry of Education, an all-Russian lesson on the war in Ukraine will be held in schools. During the lesson, the announcement says, schoolchildren will be told "why the liberation mission in Ukraine is a necessity." According to Meduza's source close to the teaching community, even before the announcement of the all-Russian lesson, school teachers from different regions offered to urgently hold class hours on this topic (some have already reported about them on social networks). And to help the teachers, they gave presentations, video materials and manuals (the source provided them to the editors on March 1), which explains how the Russian "special peacekeeping operation" in Ukraine differs from the war.

The recommended format for conducting a class hour about the war, according to one of these manuals, is precisely a dialogue with students. At the same time, teachers need to draw the attention of schoolchildren to the fact that "their actions and proposals must comply with the laws of the Russian Federation." The manuals also contain tips on how to answer questions that arise in children. These papers are in a question and answer format and have not been previously published. Meduza publishes them with minor abbreviations, preserving the author's spelling.

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4. What does "strategic military facilities have been destroyed" mean? Are the civilian population of Ukraine really safe?

This is the essence of the term "demilitarization": to neutralize the military threat of the Ukrainian authorities. Since 2014, Ukraine has been actively pumped with weapons, military equipment, missiles that were used against the civilian population of Donbass, and sooner or later could be used against Russia.

To prevent this from happening, the President of Russia set as the goal of the military operation the demilitarization and disarmament of the Kiev authorities, including outright nationalists. Military strategic facilities that are being neutralized in Ukraine today are anti-aircraft gun systems, multiple launch rocket systems, military airfields, and heavy military equipment.

Russia does not strike and will not strike at civilian objects, residential buildings and civilians. Nobody needs victims. But look how vilely Ukrainian nationalists are doing: they place their missile systems among residential buildings in order to cause return fire on them. That is, they simply hide behind civilians. This is a war crime, only terrorists and fanatics do this.

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I see in that Soviet drivel the seeds of a potential face-saving narrative that goes something like "We never intended on a war of annexation, as we said all along this was about the de-militarization of the reckless fascistic regime in Kiev. Our objective was to destroy and degrade their military capabilities to ensure the safety of the newly independent peoples republics in the Donbas. Having succesffully reduced the Ukrainian military's capabilities to cause harm, we are now withdrawing...."

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Hundreds of Irish aircraft to return home from Russia as sanctions bite. My radio hit yesterday with @JoeBLynam show on @NewstalkFM https://t.co/lOOlezp90V

— Jason Corcoran (@jason_corcoran) March 1, 2022

More on sanctions hitting Russian aviation.

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If I'm Putin, no way am I returning those leased aircraft to Ireland. Russia will need those planes for spare parts which they can no longer import to keep domestic flights active.

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Of course not. But, of course, they can't land in Europe now, can they?

What is the commission for a guy reposessing a 737 that's behind on It's lease? 10%?

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Several US Officials are reporting that Multiple Russian Warships and Amphibious Assault Ships have been observed leaving Crimea in the direction of the Coastal city of Odessa in the last few hours, Officials have said an Amphibious Attack on the city could come by Thursday.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) March 3, 2022

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Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.

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No way in hell.

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Putin is in for the full monty. Poland is in play. Otherwise he would have only gone for Donbas and Luthansk and stopped.... for now.

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No they aren't.

His immediate wants are Ukraine, Moldavia, and some -stans. Because he thinks he can take those without triggering direct military intervention. And so far he's correct.

The only way Poland is in play is if Putin is completely and utterly insane at this point. It takes that premise to go there. And if that is where we are then we might as well go ahead and get mentally ready for the nuke war we all worried about in the 80s.

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Several US Officials are reporting that Multiple Russian Warships and Amphibious Assault Ships have been observed leaving Crimea in the direction of the Coastal city of Odessa in the last few hours, Officials have said an Amphibious Attack on the city could come by Thursday.

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Letting them have Crimea was one of the worst decisions NATO could have made, and it is proving to be disastrous in this war.

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Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.

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No way in hell.

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Putin is in for the full monty. Poland is in play. Otherwise he would have only gone for Donbas and Luthansk and stopped.... for now.

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No they aren't.

His immediate wants are Ukraine, Moldavia, and some -stans. Because he thinks he can take those without triggering direct military intervention. And so far he's correct.

The only way Poland is in play is if Putin is completely and utterly insane at this point. It takes that premise to go there. And if that is where we are then we might as well go ahead and get mentally ready for the nuke war we all worried about in the 80s.

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WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!!!

If it's true he's lost 3 of 4 of his inner circle he is so very close to being Ian impotent leader. If the 3/4ths call for a stand down of troops it may work.

It's obvious the army itself isn't in this fight as a whole.

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Several US Officials are reporting that Multiple Russian Warships and Amphibious Assault Ships have been observed leaving Crimea in the direction of the Coastal city of Odessa in the last few hours, Officials have said an Amphibious Attack on the city could come by Thursday.

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No way in hell.

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Putin is in for the full monty. Poland is in play. Otherwise he would have only gone for Donbas and Luthansk and stopped.... for now.

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Russia is struggling to project power into a country they border on three sides. No way they can pose a serious threat of invading Poland, especially with their current losses.

Plus NATO would utterly smoke them if they tried. Russia has supposedly fired 400 missiles at Ukraine over a week. We would greatly surpass that on day one, and ours hit their targets. Their long ass convoy would be annihilated as would their airfields, bridges, and any other infrastructure we deem useful to destroy.

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The Polish Army would inflict a biblical slaughter on the Russians in any scenario involving a fight on Polish soil. Poland is not a slouch when it comes to military preparedness and capability.

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Yep, Poland would have our F35s and F22s protecting them… plus the Eurofighter … Russia really doesn't have enough jets to take on the full force of NATO much less the US….. they would get annihilated in the air and it would be over fairly quickly, Putin has now shown he wouldn't be stand a chance against NATO in some type of ground war…. You almost dare him to go into a NATO country ….

But we aways have to remember he has all those Nukes… that's his backup plan if all else fails !

A long-ish but interesting read.

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This seems a relevant moment to remind readers that dissolving NATO was precisely what Russia demanded in its ultimatum before it invaded Ukraine. It did not demand that Ukraine abstain from joining NATO, as many seem to think. Here are the so-caled treaties Russia issued on December 17

Russia has overnight transformed Germany from a bunch of gas-guzzling pacifist nuclear-power-fearing vegans into something a bit more familiar to them, historically, and that cannot strike them as a good outcome. Germany still has the world's best industry. I am sure a fully rearmed Germany was not a Russian war aim. Even Switzerland has frozen Putin's assets. The whole free world has been mobilized. Together, we are not powerless. Together, we can impose far higher costs on Russia than Russia can impose on us.

Can we bear the costs of not stopping Putin? Putin's track record is clear: Every war he wins is followed by another war. He certainly won't stop with Ukraine; read for yourself, below, what he envisions.
It is not whatsoever in the US interest for Europe to become an imperial Russian suzerainty. If you're trying to understand what Russia wishes to accomplish, the Kremlin-aligned Russian media is the best place to start, and I commend to our readers' attention, particularly, this article, "The Resolution of the Ukraine Question." ("The Ukraine Question," my God!) It was mistakenly published in the Kremlin-aligned media on the morning of February 26. It celebrates Russia's victory and the collapse of the Ukrainian state within the anticipated two days.

It was, of course, swiftly taken down, but it's archived, here. This is what Putin had in mind and what his state media was prepared to announce. It's worth reading in full, so I'll reproduce it all; the emphasis is mine.

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Russia is restoring its unitythe tragedy of 1991, this terrible catastrophe in our history, its unnatural dislocation, has been overcome. Yes, at a great cost, yes, through the tragic events of a virtual civil war, because now brothers, separated by belonging to the Russian and Ukrainian armies, are still shooting at each other, but there will be no more Ukraine as anti-Russia.

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Russia is restoring its historical fullness, gathering the Russian world, the Russian people togetherin its entirety of Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians (Ukrainians) . If we had abandoned this, if we had allowed the temporary division to take hold for centuries, then we would not only betray the memory of our ancestors, but would also be cursed by our descendants for allowing the disintegration of the Russian land.

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The first would always be the complex of a divided people, the complex of national humiliationwhen the Russian house first lost part of its foundation (Kiev), and then was forced to come to terms with the existence of two states, not one, but two peoples. That is, either to abandon their history, agreeing with the insane versions that "only Ukraine is the real Russia," or to gnash one's teeth helplessly, remembering the times when "we lost Ukraine."

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Returning Ukraine, that is, turning it back to Russia, would be more and more difficult with every decaderecoding, de-Russification of Russians and inciting Ukrainian Little Russians against Russians would gain momentum. And in the event of the consolidation of the full geopolitical and military control of the West over Ukraine, its return to Russia would become completely impossibleit would have to fight for it with the Atlantic bloc.

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Now this problem is goneUkraine has returned to Russia. This does not mean that its statehood will be liquidated, but it will be reorganized, re-established and returned to its natural state of part of the Russian world. Within what boundaries, in what form will the alliance with Russia be consolidated (through the CSTO and the Eurasian Union or the Union State of Russia and Belarus)? This will be decided after the end is put in the history of Ukraine as anti-Russia. In any case, the period of the split of the Russian people is coming to an end.

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Europe, as part of the West, wanted autonomythe German project of European integration does not make strategic sense while maintaining the Anglo-Saxon ideological, military and geopolitical control over the Old World. Yes, and it cannot be successful, because the Anglo-Saxons need a controlled Europe. But Europe needs autonomy for another reason as wellin case the States go into self-isolation (as a result of growing internal conflicts and contradictions) or focus on the Pacific region, where the geopolitical center of gravity is moving.

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But the confrontation with Russia, into which the Anglo-Saxons are dragging Europe, deprives the Europeans of even the chance of independence, not to mention the fact that they are trying to force a break with China in the same way on Europe. If now the Atlanticists are happy that the "Russian threat" will unite the Western bloc, then in Berlin and Paris they cannot fail to understand that, having lost hope for autonomy, the European project will simply collapse in the medium term. That is why independent-minded Europeans are now completely uninterested in building a new iron curtain on their eastern bordersrealizing that it will turn into a corral for Europe. Whose century (more precisely, half a millennium) of global leadership is over in any casebut various options for its future are still possible.

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Because the construction of a new world orderand this is the third dimension of current eventsis accelerating, and its contours are more and more clearly visible through the spreading cover of Anglo-Saxon globalization. A multipolar world has finally become a realitythe operation in Ukraine is not capable of rallying anyone but the West against Russia. Because the rest of the world sees and understands perfectly wellthis is a conflict between Russia and the West, this is a response to the geopolitical expansion of the Atlanticists, this is Russia's return of its historical space and its place in the world.

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China and India, Latin America and Africa, the Islamic world and Southeast Asiano one believes that the West leads the world order, much less sets the rules of the game. Russia has not only challenged the West, it has shown that the era of Western global domination can be considered completely and finally over. The new world will be built by all civilizations and centers of power, naturally, together with the West (united or not)but not on its terms and not according to its rules.

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I've written before that the division of the West is suicide. Neither the US, alone, nor Europe, alone, have the wealth, the military might, nor the population to counter the world's authoritarian powers. "If liberal democracy falls in Europe, it will fail in the United States," I wrote, "if it fails in the United States, it will fall in Europe. If either fails, the West will no longer exist." I recommend everyone read that essay.

There is a corollary to this argument: Europe and the United States, firmly allied, are powerful enough to establish a global order in which liberal democracy might survive. Russia was counting on Western division. After all, they've certainly worked hard enough and spent enough money to foment it.

But fate can be strange. They've managed, instead, to inspire genuinely unprecedented Western unity. I mean "Western" in the large sense: Japan is with us. South Korea. Australia. Latin America. India will come along in due course, I think; it's a democracy: I don't think the Indian people will wish for long to stand with China.
We see it, now. We see two things. First: We hang together or we hang separately. Second: Our enemies do mean to see us hang.

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#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 3, 2022

Nato apps incoming

#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 3, 2022

It's the nukes that are scary. This and only this. He's crazy crazy. Worrisome.

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https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499227333688975365?s=20&t=n-pnoEvRou5mYAl69qnGdw

Nato apps incoming

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#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 3, 2022

Just helping out

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True this. Satellite images of Russian vehicles lined up for miles are just screaming for a sortie of A10s to rack up carnage unseen since the early 90s.

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B2. Less risk of being shot down or seen and can drop a bunch of JDAMs along the route. You really can't miss as long as you hit the road.

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#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 3, 2022

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Anybody help me out? What does this mean?

MLRS, HIMARS, SDB, etc. Sending a B-2 from the US to attack tactical mobile targets in Europe isn't what they do

If he wants Poland, he wants the world to end. He knows he'd lose in a heartbeat against NATO.

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#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

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Anybody help me out? What does this mean?

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Means Finland and Sweden need to tell him to **** off. He doesn't want them to be NATO

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#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

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Anybody help me out? What does this mean?

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Means he wants them to say we're staying the eff out of Russian military operations

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Uh, he sits on the intel committee. Don't think it's a stretch to say is sources are sound.

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I said overstated, not false. Rubio's statement was general enough that it would not take much to back it up. The declaration of martial law alone is an indication.

So what! There already was no real freedom. It just allows KGB Putin to legally go after journalists he doesn't like.

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#Finland and #Sweden, which are not #NATO members, have received letters from #Putin demanding to provide security guarantees for #Russia. pic.twitter.com/qr9azEsRxJ

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Means Finland and Sweden need to tell him to **** off. He doesn't want them to be NATO

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Finnish people all of a sudden want to be in NATO it turns out. I wonder why that is…

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/majority-finns-now-want-join-nato-poll-2022-02-28/

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Out of 1,382 adults, 53% said Finland should join the defence alliance, 28% said no and 19% were indecisive, the poll data showed.

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