***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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YouBet said:

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Letting them have Crimea was one of the worst decisions NATO could have made, and it is proving to be disastrous in this war.


Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.
No way in hell.


What makes you say that?
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Captain Positivity said:




Enforcing martial law and running a counter insurgency in another country is gonna suck up manpower quickly.
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Sirens roaring again over Kyiv

And only lasted a few mins
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I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action

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K2-HMFIC said:

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Enforcing martial law and running a counter insurgency in another country is gonna suck up manpower quickly.


He may have sniffed out a plan for a coup.
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Enforcing martial law and running a counter insurgency in another country is gonna suck up manpower quickly.
Not exactly cheap to run martial law while invading another country either. That's not even considering their timeframe before a significant economic depression is likely measured in days and not weeks...
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FCBlitz said:

I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action




Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.
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Ag In Ok said:

K2-HMFIC said:

Captain Positivity said:




Enforcing martial law and running a counter insurgency in another country is gonna suck up manpower quickly.


He may have sniffed out a plan for a coup.


My first thought too. It is probably a physical manifestation of his mindset right now. But could also be spurned on by Intel. Maybe both
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Ag In Ok said:

K2-HMFIC said:

Captain Positivity said:




Enforcing martial law and running a counter insurgency in another country is gonna suck up manpower quickly.


He may have sniffed out a plan for a coup.


My first thought as well
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A no fly zone is not a feasible alternative. The options are keep US forces out of Ukraine or war.
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TRM said:


He needs to cite them.

Is anyone else getting a bit tired of unsourced Twitter posts?
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He clearly has the best info available at this point. Whether he is sharing it, and why, are different questions.
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He's been right at almost every minute of this since the invasion started.

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TheCougarHunter said:

YouBet said:

TheCougarHunter said:

Waffledynamics said:

ATX_AG_08 said:


Letting them have Crimea was one of the worst decisions NATO could have made, and it is proving to be disastrous in this war.


Which is why we absolutely cannot let them have Ukraine. It will just be a jump-off point for the invasion of Poland.
No way in hell.


What makes you say that?


That would be an actual attack on NATO and the EU. He can get away with Ukraine because they are in no man's land from a strategic alliance perspective.

He's not going to have the resources to attack NATO after he's done in Ukraine for many years. And even if he did he would get smoked.
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is it a matter of time before Putin is killed? or flees somewhere unknown?
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TRM said:




Makes total sense.

It's difficult, if not impossible, for Russians to square Putin's story with the impact of the sanctions on their day-to-day lives. It will be clear, if it isn't already, that the entire world has condemned the operations in Ukraine.
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Rubio is on the Senate Intel committee. He's being briefed continuously. His tweets are strategic.
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He may have sniffed out a plan for a coup.
He's a defacto mob boss that's screwed over all the other families and his generals are being exposed for their corruption and graft. One would be foolish to not believe that there are multiple plans for his removal being considered
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Intel is probably using Rubio to try and create an echo chamber "Putin is losing control…" Rubio is a big enough name and could conceivably have access to the information.

Try to scare the remaining multinationals from doing business with Russia.

Maybe it's true. My guess is partially true but vastly overstated. IF Putin was really on the brink, the focus would be on assisting those capable of pushing him over it.

ETA: I hope it is 100% accurate and I hope someone close to Putin is twisting a knife in his back as I type.
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Waffledynamics said:

TRM said:


He needs to cite them.

Is anyone else getting a bit tired of unsourced Twitter posts?


Uh, he sits on the intel committee. Don't think it's a stretch to say is sources are sound.
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Jock 07 said:

Waffledynamics said:

TRM said:


He needs to cite them.

Is anyone else getting a bit tired of unsourced Twitter posts?


Uh, he sits on the is the vice chair of the intel committee. Don't think it's a stretch to say is sources are sound.
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Ag In Ok said:

K2-HMFIC said:

Captain Positivity said:




Enforcing martial law and running a counter insurgency in another country is gonna suck up manpower quickly.


He may have sniffed out a plan for a coup.


I think he's getting really worried about growing protests and using a potential "counter attack" as justification for martial law and increased penalties for protestors.
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SidsBurnerAccount said:



More on sanctions hitting Russian aviation.



If I'm Putin, no way am I returning those leased aircraft to Ireland. Russia will need those planes for spare parts which they can no longer import to keep domestic flights active.
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Jayhawk said:

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Thanks for posting that. Very informative.

Seems to me that Russian Generals are woefully ignorant of military history and learning logistical mistakes of the past. Even their own.
I've been thinking about this some too. Having been around some large bureaucracies and observing the incentive structures they create, my occam's razor explanation is they are just a bunch of careerist sycophants whose talents are less military and more political.

Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy:

In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals that the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.


Pournelle could have just said, 'every organization has a sales team, even a bureaucracy. And sales runs the world.'
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amercer said:

FCBlitz said:

I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action




Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.


I find it very difficult to understand how a no fly zone in a sovereign country that is not russia, is a declaration of war on russia?

I have now heard multiple politicians and media message lets be first to respond to the impending humanitarian crisis. No **** that stand up and do what it takes to prevent the humanitarian crisis this time and the next.
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This may get flagged, but I think is on-topic and just the way things are. As stated above I think Rubio is doing things with a purpose and with consent (or with the instruction) on the IC. If these comments were coming from the Administration half the country would not believe it (see the 16th prediction for the start of the attack). Rubio is now doing what the administration did before the attack, and I think is on purpose they chose a Republican to deliver the messages.
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JFABNRGR said:

amercer said:

FCBlitz said:

I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action




Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.


I find it very difficult to understand how a no fly zone in a sovereign country that is not russia, is a declaration of war on russia?

I have now heard multiple politicians and media message lets be first to respond to the impending humanitarian crisis. No **** that stand up and do what it takes to prevent the humanitarian crisis this time and the next.
Enforcement of a no-fly zone means shooting Russian aircraft down. You don't see how that might be a problem?
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JFABNRGR said:

amercer said:

FCBlitz said:

I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action




Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.


I find it very difficult to understand how a no fly zone in a sovereign country that is not russia, is a declaration of war on russia?

I have now heard multiple politicians and media message lets be first to respond to the impending humanitarian crisis. No **** that stand up and do what it takes to prevent the humanitarian crisis this time and the next.


A no fly zone means our fighters over Ukraine. That means shooting down Russian fighters and destruction of Russian air defenses.

It would also pretty much immediately trigger a wider conflict with both sides targeting airbases with missiles
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JFABNRGR said:

amercer said:

FCBlitz said:

I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action




Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.


I find it very difficult to understand how a no fly zone in a sovereign country that is not russia, is a declaration of war on russia?

I have now heard multiple politicians and media message lets be first to respond to the impending humanitarian crisis. No **** that stand up and do what it takes to prevent the humanitarian crisis this time and the next.


>NATO declares NFZ
>NATO sorties fighters to enforce it
>Russian AF currently conducting operations w/in NFZ
>NATO pilot tells Ruskie pilot to leave
>"NYET!"
>??????????
>WW3
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JFABNRGR said:

amercer said:

FCBlitz said:

I am watching Reuter News and they just reported that Biden doesn't support enforcement of a No Fly Zone. Zelenski said he was very appreciative each time he talked with Biden but was disappointed with lack of action




Enforcement of a no fly zone is a declaration of war on Russia. No other way to see it. It sucks but I don't think a US/Russia war is a good idea either right now.

It is terrible what is happening to Ukraine, but Russia is making a horrible mess. Don't interrupt you opponent when they are making a mistake.


I find it very difficult to understand how a no fly zone in a sovereign country that is not russia, is a declaration of war on russia?

I have now heard multiple politicians and media message lets be first to respond to the impending humanitarian crisis. No **** that stand up and do what it takes to prevent the humanitarian crisis this time and the next.

Without getting into the should we/shouldn't we, you can't view it in a vacuum. If Ukraine is a friendly country to US/NATO and has nothing going on but is worried and so asks for a No fly zone then you can probably provide one without it being an act of war. But right now, Russia is actively engaged in military action in Ukraine, and so setting up a no fly zone is a direct military challenge to Russian forces. That is an act of war against Russia (whether or not it is justified). If we wanted to do the no fly zone we needed to do it several weeks ago before any Russians set foot (or flew) in country
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