If Ukraine stalls the attacks and prevents a takeover I hope countries take note of how to fight a war that is not in your country. Let the country being attacked fight on their own but provide them with the supplies they need to win. We helped Iran, Afghanistan, Iraq, and several other countries, within 20 years we would be fighting each of those countries.

After 6 weeks the Taliban was about to surrender to US special forces that were assisting local groups like the Norther Alliance. Once we brought in conventional forces like Russia did there we were done. Sending advisors and the like to Ukraine is the best way to go for everyone and would keep up distance from Russia saying we created an act of war by sending in troops

Captain Positivity said:

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Have we gotten into how the Russian troops are organized and what some of these designations are in comparison to the US military?

Would Spetznaz be like Rangers?

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Spetsnaz is the Russian term for Special Operations Forces, not one specific unit. Pulled from Wiki -

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Spetsnaz (Russian: , IPA: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Russian][sptsnas][/url]; abbreviation for Russian: , tr. Voysk spetsilnovo naznachniya, IPA: [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Russian][vjska sptsalnv nzntenj][/url], lit. 'Special Operations Forces' or 'Special Purpose Military Units') is a Russian language umbrella term for special forces which is used in numerous Russian-speaking post-Soviet states.
Historically, the term referred to special operations units controlled by the main military intelligence service GRU (Spetsnaz GRU). It also describes task forces of other ministries (such as the Ministry of Internal Affairs' ODON and Ministry of Emergency Situations' special rescue unit)[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spetsnaz#cite_note-1][1][/url] in post-Soviet countries. Russian special forces wear different berets depending on the branch of the armed forces they belong to. These include:

• Ground Forces and Airborne Forces Blue beret
• Navy and Marines Black beret
• National Guard Maroon beret

As Spetsnaz is a Russian term, it is typically associated with the special units of Russia, but other post-Soviet states often refer to their special forces units by the term as well, since these nations also inherited their special purpose units from the now-defunct Soviet security agencies. The 5th Spetsnaz Brigade of Belarus is an example of a non-Russian Spetsnaz forces.

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So you could probably infer that their ground forces would be similar to the Rangers, yes. Navy to SEALS, etc.

Only if you can arrest people. I doubt Putin is arrested or extradited unless this goes south and the Russian economy implodes and sees hyperinflation.

If that happens, all bets are off. The average Russian might want Putin's head on a platter while the military and civil services might want to keep their jobs and presumably preferred status in the new order. Or the average cop and soldier is pissed to and tells the government and leadership to go **** themselves and we get an actual coup. The thing about being an a dictator or autocrat is that it's really easy for people to focus on you as the source of their problems, especially when you actually are. If the natives get restless, they really only have one place to turn.

Spetsnaz is like saying US special operations, they have several groups under them with different specialties. Then you have spetsgruppa alpha which is their version of Delta/CAG and DEVGRU/SEAL team 6. They are rumored to be some of the best fighters in the world but from their history is hit or miss. Civilians tend to get killed during their operations, be it on their own or who they are attacking kills them.

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I'd like to get my hands on one of those as well.

"When you get a new toy" - A UA SoF fighter with a freshly recovered AK-12, usually used by higher-grade Russian forces #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/qYIvcnsIfy

— Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura) March 2, 2022

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That magazine alone is worth several hundred dollars in the US, and the parts kits, less the bolt and receiver, go for thousands.

ATX_AG_08 said:

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When have the Russians ever been well supplied? 2 men to 1 rifle at times in WW2.

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Czar sent men to the trenches in WW1 without guns or boots...

2wealfth Man said:

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ATX_AG_08 said:

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When have the Russians ever been well supplied? 2 men to 1 rifle at times in WW2.

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Czar sent men to the trenches in WW1 without guns or boots...

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(not an attempt to derail or troll, just adding a wee bit of humor)

Edit. Read Ukraine instead of Russia.

Captain Positivity said:

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ATX_AG_08 said:

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Would he big if true. Let the country rot from within.

⚡️#Ukrainian intelligence also reports that Putin is going to impose martial law in #Russia on March 4

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 2, 2022

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He's officially scared.

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Wonder what that is going to look like? Curfews? Stay at home orders? Tanks on the streets?

Rossticus said:

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Putin imposes martial law in country he doesn't yet control. Bold move.

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He doesn't control Russia?

I am very interested in what the Turks are sending because they are not saying anything. Heard rumors about more TB-2s but I wonder what else. They also have vast, vast Cold War stocks and many captured weapons. https://t.co/zU5BzVVKrE

— Woofers (@NotWoofers) March 2, 2022

Rossticus said:

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Putin imposes martial law in country he doesn't yet control. Bold move.

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He's doing it in Russia to have more control over media and news reporting. The young Russians are not having the current situation and I suspect when their market does open he will rely on martial law to keep power and order.

When this started I suspected a 10% chance of a coup. Now its seeming like a real possibility but Putin is smart and dangerous.

Rumor - could just be propoganda - that Russia will enact Martial Law on the 4th.

If that happens it would be a clear indication of how quickly the country is deteriorating with current sanctions, in my opinion.

SpreadsheetAg said:

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Rossticus said:

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Putin imposes martial law in country he doesn't yet control. Bold move.

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He doesn't control Russia?

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Brain fart. Read Ukraine.

With all the talk of the Russian forces running out of food, here is (if any of you are interested) the food that Ukraine fuels its armed forces with.

(Disclaimer: It's a rather unnecessarily long watch from start to finish, and this guy geeks out HARD over military rations)

I think he's worried about a potential civil servant revolt. They get paid in rubles.

He may also have some sort of inkling of an attempt to seize power.

Worst case scenario, he does this citing security concerns about a foreign threat, then stages a mass casualty event inside of Russia.

DannyDuberstein said:

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Russia will send their lambs to the slaughter like nobody's business.

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Always a morally reprehensible strategy, but all the more questionable strategically given their low-population concerns.

Captain Positivity said:

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Rossticus said:

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Putin imposes martial law in country he doesn't yet control. Bold move.

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No...he's declaring it in Russia.

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Yep. Massive case of poo brain when trying to do 5 things at once.

aggiehawg said:

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Captain Positivity said:

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ATX_AG_08 said:

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Would he big if true. Let the country rot from within.

⚡️#Ukrainian intelligence also reports that Putin is going to impose martial law in #Russia on March 4

— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 2, 2022

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He's officially scared.

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Wonder what that is going to look like? Curfews? Stay at home orders? Tanks on the streets?

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Well the majority of tanks are probably either on the border of or in Ukraine so…

TRM said:

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⚡️Ukrainian special forces will no longer capture Russian artillerymen.

The command of Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces has warned that it will kill captured Russian artillerymen in response to their “brutal shelling” of civilians and cities.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 2, 2022

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I wonder if some of these guys even know what they are shelling.

Anyone have good insight on how modern MLRS systems are aimed and launched? I assume satellite?

(UNCONFIRMED) Video depicts an alleged Russian air strike on a pipeline IVO Kharkiv, Ukraine. https://t.co/RI8Ch8kyXR

— The Intel Hub (@The_IntelHub) March 2, 2022

Captain Positivity said:

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TRM said:

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⚡️Ukrainian special forces will no longer capture Russian artillerymen.

The command of Ukraine’s Special Operations Forces has warned that it will kill captured Russian artillerymen in response to their “brutal shelling” of civilians and cities.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 2, 2022

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I wonder if some of these guys even know what they are shelling.

Anyone have good insight on how modern MLRS systems are aimed and launched? I assume satellite?

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Nevee mind whether or not they know what they're attacking and the civilian losses, the bigger issue is that what the message says itself: no quarter for artillery men.