***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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It was stalled earlier today
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OSINTdefender live broadcast (space?) just reported that in the last 4 months the Finland population has moved from ~30% in support of joining NATO to over 50% in favor of joining.
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Dorm 15 said:

Drones, somebody tell me about drones


That's the thing. Russia has not really unleashed their Air Force and some attribute it to a lack of precision guided munitions. The west could easily hand over armed drones to the Ukes with some remote "advisors" and do some real damage. A 440 lbs (total takeoff weight/fuel + munitions) Camcopter with two lightweight missiles could wreak havoc on the Russian motorized columns with repeated attacks. Loss of the aircraft would have little effect since it has an endurance of 6 hours. The Russians would expend enormous resources on air defense when this thing could shoot from just above a tree line or ridge and duck down quickly.
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UTExan said:

Dorm 15 said:

Drones, somebody tell me about drones


That's the thing. Russia has not really unleashed their Air Force and some attribute it to a lack of precision guided munitions. The west could easily hand over armed drones to the Ukes with some remote "advisors" and do some real damage. A 440 lbs (total takeoff weight/fuel + munitions) Camcopter with two lightweight missiles could wreak havoc on the Russian motorized columns with repeated attacks. Loss of the aircraft would have little effect since it has an endurance of 6 hours. The Russians would expend enormous resources on air defense when this thing could shoot from just above a tree line or ridge and duck down quickly.
Now that's what I am talking about. Fully integrated assaults like the US would do would probably account for this but I suspect the Russians don't.
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G Martin 87 said:

I see a lot of understandable confusion over Putin's long-term strategy here, coupled with a lot of "he must be insane!" comments. You have to look at a map and think historically about where the threats to Russia, and specifically Moscow, have come from. Twice in the past 200 years, and both from Western Europe. In any Russian leader's mind, losing Ukraine to an expansionist EU/NATO that is absorbing most of their former Warsaw Pact satellite buffer states cannot help but be perceived as an existential threat. We must tread VERY carefully here, irrespective of the horrors we are seeing. Wrong moves can trigger atrocities far beyond Ukraine. Moreover, the sanctions being imposed by both Western countries AND businesses based in the West (e.g., Exxon, Apple, etc) are dangerous too. Isolate Russia too much, and again the perception of West vs Russia will be all too easy for Putin to claim.
This is an excellent, well thought out post.

However…….. The political and economic realities of 2022 do not match those of past Western European excursions into Russia. WESTERN EUROPE DOES NOT GIVE A SH#@ ABOUT INVADING RUSSIA. What we are seeing is Russian paranoia over past incursions, combined with Vlad's ego and desire to be more relevant like the former USSR.
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last but not least
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When do we stop importing Russian oil….
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Ukrainians apparently took out an 800 vehicle convoy in the southern part of the country?? Wondering if this is a mistranslation somehow but it seems pretty clear. EDIT to be clear it doesn't say they destroyed them all - probably just stopped their push for now



The original FB post is 4 hrs old and says
In the afternoon, we received information about the Russian military column, moving towards Kryvyi Rih from Bashtanka and consisting of about 800 wheeled vehicles. Our defenders reacted immediately, preventing the enemy from entering Dnipropetrovsk Region. The column was attacked from the air; the occupiers were hit hard
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JobSecurity said:

last but not least

United Airlines finally announced they were finding different routes for their India flights. They've been paying Putin up until yesterday for the rights to overfly Russia.

Once we announce airspace is closed to Russian aircraft, the same thing happens to our aircraft over Russia.

Seems like the administration delayed this so the industry can get their ducks in a row.
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Hard to know what to believe at this point. I hope it's not all propaganda

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Discouraging Russian troops appear to be walking freely in Kherson at this point.

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Can we please get back to tactical and strategic updates, Staff. There is another post that covers much of what is being discussed on the last three or four pages.


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If true, that is one of the best things that could've happened so far. Those GRAD MLRS systems are what are leveling buildings in civilian areas.
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I keep getting the feeling that the Ukrainians are getting a lot of help that is not being made public.
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B-1 83 said:

G Martin 87 said:

I see a lot of understandable confusion over Putin's long-term strategy here, coupled with a lot of "he must be insane!" comments. You have to look at a map and think historically about where the threats to Russia, and specifically Moscow, have come from. Twice in the past 200 years, and both from Western Europe. In any Russian leader's mind, losing Ukraine to an expansionist EU/NATO that is absorbing most of their former Warsaw Pact satellite buffer states cannot help but be perceived as an existential threat. We must tread VERY carefully here, irrespective of the horrors we are seeing. Wrong moves can trigger atrocities far beyond Ukraine. Moreover, the sanctions being imposed by both Western countries AND businesses based in the West (e.g., Exxon, Apple, etc) are dangerous too. Isolate Russia too much, and again the perception of West vs Russia will be all too easy for Putin to claim.
This is an excellent, well thought out post.

However…….. The political and economic realities of 2022 do not match those of past Western European excursions into Russia. WESTERN EUROPE DOES NOT GIVE A SH#@ ABOUT INVADING RUSSIA. What we are seeing is Russian paranoia over past incursions, combined with Vlad's ego and desire to be more relevant like the former USSR.

To be sure, paranoia is in the Russian DNA. True, no one in Europe wants to invade Russia, however that was also true in the last century up into the 1930's. Things change. I think Putin's motives are 1) resources and 2) security, in that order.
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aeroag14 said:

According to the OSINT stream right now, apparently in Kherson the russians have informed the local government that they will begin executing civilians if they continue to be shot at by the Ukrainians.

No source was provided, but it was passed along by a Ukrainian living in the US who has contacts in the area.
Would be nice to see the citizens reply by saying that they will continue executing Russians as long as they are shooting at Ukrainians. Threats work both directions. But only one group stands to be brought before a tribunal for the war crime of executing civilians.
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Dorm 15 said:

I keep getting the feeling that the Ukrainians are getting a lot of help that is not being made public.
I would bet money there are several people in Ukraine with their ear to a sat phone talking to intel specialists in the Pentagon 24/7.
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javajaws said:

Dorm 15 said:

I keep getting the feeling that the Ukrainians are getting a lot of help that is not being made public.
I would bet money there are several people in Ukraine with their ear to a sat phone talking to intel specialists in the Pentagon 24/7.
I would bet money that it goes far beyond that.
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Dorm 15 said:

I keep getting the feeling that the Ukrainians are getting a lot of help that is not being made public.


Positive of it. Not just us either. History has already proven this is multiple bush wars throughout the world. And that's just the ones we know of.

At the very least, we know we are freely sharing Intel and data which is immeasurable in it's help to the Ukes. A LOT of these ambushes are occurring at the right time at the right place.......uncanny isn't it???
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Dorm 15 said:

javajaws said:

Dorm 15 said:

I keep getting the feeling that the Ukrainians are getting a lot of help that is not being made public.
I would bet money there are several people in Ukraine with their ear to a sat phone talking to intel specialists in the Pentagon 24/7.
I would bet money that it goes far beyond that.
No doubt. And the best thing for America to do is to not advertise ANY of it. Yeah, the Republicans might publicly take shots at Biden a bit and blame him for not taking action...but it's the right thing to do politics be dammed.
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SidsBurnerAccount said:



The economic pressure on Russia is extreme. They're being isolated in a way I don't recall seeing a major economy undergo before. This level of pressure will hopefully force the oligarchs and military into removing Putin.
I do not see how Putin survives the economic collapse that is coming. He cannot win. Even if he achieves his objectives in Ukraine, he is persona non grata around the world. He has single handedly crushed Russia's ability to conduct commerce around the world, and this isn't going to change just because he takes some territory back.

At some point soon, his house of cards is going to collapse. It has to. He won't have the money to pay his military personnel or rebuild his arsenal, much less shepherd a strong economy and keep food on the shelves. It is going to hit every sector of the population, rich and poor.

IMO, Putin is whistling past the graveyard. It is a terrible thing that so many Ukranians will beat him to it.
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It is heart wrenching to see a proud people destroyed like this. Even if the Ukes were our enemy, I would still admire their courage. I believe that NATO should step in and stop this. I would hope that it did not result in a wider conflict or nuclear conflict, but I think it is time to call Putin's bluff. We think with all of our comforts and technology that something like this is just not possible, but we are seeing it play out right in front of us.

We are not in that much different of a place then we were in 1914 or 1939.
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I don't see any Russian soldiers in that video. My eyesight is bad but still?
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Dorm 15 said:

javajaws said:

Dorm 15 said:

I keep getting the feeling that the Ukrainians are getting a lot of help that is not being made public.
I would bet money there are several people in Ukraine with their ear to a sat phone talking to intel specialists in the Pentagon 24/7.
I would bet money that it goes far beyond that.


Ukes have some tactical ballistic missiles, would make perfect sense for us to be providing targeting info for them.
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I would hope that it did not result in a wider conflict or nuclear conflict, but I think it is time to call Putin's bluff.
And if we're wrong about it being a "bluff"? What's your Plan B?
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Update on the scale of the invasion:

That's 80% of an estimated 150k - 190k troops that were amassed at the border.
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Astonishing difference before and after
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Every city Russia takes mean that many more soldiers they have to leave behind to hold those places. Given their slower rate of progress they will need to bring many more personnel and equipment in to keep up the pace or risk slowing down even more or stalling altogether.
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agent-maroon said:

Quote:

I would hope that it did not result in a wider conflict or nuclear conflict, but I think it is time to call Putin's bluff.
And if we're wrong about it being a "bluff"? What's your Plan B?

No kidding. That's a mighty large cost to being wrong, potentially "life on earth forever changed" type of stuff.
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