aggiehawg said:

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That last line is a quote directly from Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising. It is really amazing to me for how old that book is and that it was written about the Soviets, that it really has been proved pretty prescient in predicting how the Russians would attack, and for what reasons they would fail to advance at the speed they had hoped.

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Haven't Russian supported separatists been fighting in the Donbas for the last 8 years? Why didn't they take note of the lack of progress there?

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Probably thought their armor and aircraft could overrun them, but many in the Ukrainian probably have fought in Donbas.

I think the Russians better make a move tonight. Every hour they don't go is another hour Ukraine gets to prepare for the push.

Another day might prove fatal to Russian plans

aggiehawg said:

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That last line is a quote directly from Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising. It is really amazing to me for how old that book is and that it was written about the Soviets, that it really has been proved pretty prescient in predicting how the Russians would attack, and for what reasons they would fail to advance at the speed they had hoped.

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Haven't Russian supported separatists been fighting in the Donbas for the last 8 years? Why didn't they take note of the lack of progress there?

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Small groups of separatists fighting in a limited range are completely different than trying to move large tank and motor rifle formations over large distances to capture and hold enemy territory. The faster and farther you drive your tanks and APCs, the more fuel you have to be able to bring along with you, and more maintenance you are going to have to do to maintain the operational capabilities of the armored units. Russian vehicles are not know for their long term reliability, so trying to move too fast will cause them to pay a price in broken down vehicles. Also, attacking well prepared defensive positions with forewarning that you are coming takes a much larger toll and slows a large unit down more than small groups attacking relatively soft targets with the element of surprise.

#UPDATE: “Avdiivka (eastern Ukraine) assault on the city has begun, explosions everywhere” https://t.co/kaScnG6tQ5

— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) February 25, 2022

Ag_07 said:

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So I'm admittedly not well versed in the realm of geopolitics and war tactics but I've been following along because I find it all incredibly interesting.

Why is it really out of the question that Putin would use nukes? He's come this far and I don't see him backing down.

If the Ukraines fight back enough to back him into a corner I don't see it out of the realm of possibility. WTF does he care if he's already being cut off and isolated?

I could see him doing what he needs to do to at least come away with what he wants.

And thanks for those sharing all their knowledge on the subjects at hand. While incredibly sad and heartbreaking for the Ukraines the tactics side to all this is interesting.

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Because all of Russia would be cut off from everything and he'd have his own people to deal with. At that point, cops, soldiers, civilians, etc would be pretty pissed about being brought back to poverty in the new Soviet Union.

China would likely cut them off as well since any fallout would come their way too. China would also have to answer to everyone else for being soft on or enabling Russia, who just broke a cardinal rule of warfare to not use WMD's. In essence, it would make them look like the bad guys as much as they try to save gave and obfuscate

It would also invite an immediate nuclear response from another other nation or invite strategic nuclear responses from other nations in the even of any further aggression, no matter how small. If they do it once, they'll do it again, so you might as well beat them to it.

It's like taking hostages. People on the outside are willing to talk and deal so long as they believe they can peacefully end the situation, but if you kill someone you are guaranteed to die and quickly.

BREAKING: America’s biggest microchip company, NVIDIA is investigating a potential cyber attack that has taken parts of its business offline for two days - @Telegraph

— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 25, 2022

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Plus they are handy for digging out underground hardened targets.

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A Kew is better at that job and best of all no radiation, emp, or associated issues. Nothing but a high speed tungsten projectile that can move at 17.8Kmph. That is if Biden hasn't trashed them.

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aggiehawg said:

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That last line is a quote directly from Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising. It is really amazing to me for how old that book is and that it was written about the Soviets, that it really has been proved pretty prescient in predicting how the Russians would attack, and for what reasons they would fail to advance at the speed they had hoped.

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Haven't Russian supported separatists been fighting in the Donbas for the last 8 years? Why didn't they take note of the lack of progress there?

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Probably thought their armor and aircraft could overrun them, but many in the Ukrainian probably have fought in Donbas.

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This. The Ukrainian military of today is much different than it was 8 years ago, same with the political climate in country. Iirc much of their army has done rotations in the eastern part of the country.

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I think the Russians better make a move tonight. Every hour they don't go is another hour Ukraine gets to prepare for the push.

Another day might prove fatal to Russian plans

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Russia is going to pound Kyiv into oblivion with artillery and bombing if they keep suffering setbacks. So many thousands of everyday peoples' lived snuffed out in one night.

Probably. It will be awful.

Thats why diplomacy needs to happen now

Nm

I saw a Trafficked episode in Ukraine. There are quite a few mercenaries with battle experience. Are they involved in the resistance?

Letting thousands of your citizens die and it doesn't change the outcome isn't a great outcome either

This the video pic.twitter.com/iRZL9Z0Edn

— Changpeng Zhao (@AdolfNgiler) February 25, 2022

Reuters is reporting the Biden admin has asked congress to authorize $6 billion in aid to Ukraine

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

On top of buying russian oil, were gonna give 6 billion to urkrain

Ukrainian military claims it downed a Russian IL-76 near Kyiv

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

https://t.co/BJZUIkuBIC

— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) February 25, 2022

Hoping they ask some of those civilians who were handed weapons this week.