Are they gonna carpet bomb Kiev or do precision strikes?
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Lots of chatter that Putin may allow russian hackers to full on attack western businesses, infrastructure, etc. Wouldn't be Russian govt per se
I don't really pray, but whatever I'm doing, thinking about the people and hoping for the best for them. ****ing Putin
#Russia 🇷🇺Ka-52 Hokum B attack helicopter in apparent forced landing after suffering damage, reportedly North West of Kiev #Ukraine 🇺🇦 pic.twitter.com/e4rJQjaaCu
— Joseph Dempsey (@JosephHDempsey) February 24, 2022
amercer said:
There were a lot of Soviets that didn't want to die either, and thought that firing nukes first was the best way to prevent it.
I just don't see that in Putin. If he fired a nuke the entire world would come down on him because he'd suddenly be a threat to global survival.
Im going to guess their precision bombing isn't precise by our standards, but no way they just carpet bomb. One, most of the bombs miss anything important and two flattening a city is probably still to far for Putin at this point.
Agthatbuilds said:
Are they gonna carpet bomb Kiev or do precision strikes?
When have the Russians ever chosen precision over terror?
Seven and three are ten, not only now, but forever. There has never been a time when seven and three were not ten, nor will there ever be a time when they are not ten. Therefore, I have said that the truth of number is incorruptible and common to all who think. — St. Augustine
After todays stand by Ukraine, I think it's going to be no holds barred. Carpet bomb the **** out of them without remorse for any civilians, women or children that end up being a casualty.
Hell, at this point it is a green light to anyone that wants to mess with us cyber wise. Russians will be blamed no matter what.TwoMarksHand said:aggiehawg said:Aw crap. We are doomed. Mayorkas is a disaster.Rossticus said:JUST IN: @POTUS makes @DHSgov lead agency for coordinating "preparedness & response efforts related to the current #Russia-#Ukraine crisis"
— Jeff Seldin (@jseldin) February 25, 2022
"While there are no specific threats to the homeland at this time, DHS is taking appropriate steps...should the need arise" per statement pic.twitter.com/R2t8pDm0sb
What does this tweet mean? Threat of Rusky cyberwar with US?
We have complete idiots running an out of control government right now.
Russian troops heart isn't in this at all based on OSINT live space. Extremely demoralized and many forced to sign up to be there at threat of violence.
Many haven't been getting regular rations. Many outright giving up to Ukrainians. Could end this if faced with frightening resistance and 50%+ would throw their hands up and surrender in a heartbeat.
Many haven't been getting regular rations. Many outright giving up to Ukrainians. Could end this if faced with frightening resistance and 50%+ would throw their hands up and surrender in a heartbeat.
That's exactly what that is about. Russia has been living in our power grid for quite some time.TwoMarksHand said:aggiehawg said:Aw crap. We are doomed. Mayorkas is a disaster.Rossticus said:JUST IN: @POTUS makes @DHSgov lead agency for coordinating "preparedness & response efforts related to the current #Russia-#Ukraine crisis"
— Jeff Seldin (@jseldin) February 25, 2022
"While there are no specific threats to the homeland at this time, DHS is taking appropriate steps...should the need arise" per statement pic.twitter.com/R2t8pDm0sb
What does this tweet mean? Threat of Rusky cyberwar with US?
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Demosthenes81 said:Agthatbuilds said:
Are they gonna carpet bomb Kiev or do precision strikes?
When have the Russians ever chosen precision over terror?
The air assault operation also suggests that Russia thought it could possibly achieve a fait accompli without killing that many Ukrainian troops or civilians by making a lighting push into Kyiv with light forces. It seems clear now that they'll have to use armor to get there. 6/
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) February 25, 2022
Ukrainian soldier deployed on Snake Island live streamed the moment a Russian warship opened fire on the Island.
— C O U P S U R E (@COUPSURE) February 24, 2022
13 soldiers died in the attack. pic.twitter.com/FDe92rYYVR
Heroes and patriots.
The ghost
There is reportedly a Ukrainian fighter pilot who has taken out 6 Russian jets in air to air combat. He is being called the "Ghost of Kyiv"pic.twitter.com/zCdK2URsHM
— Market Rebellion (@MarketRebels) February 25, 2022
Pipe dream, but not sure what Putin would do if Poland came in on Ukraines side. I don't think the Russians can fight a long war, and I don't think they could pivot quickly to crush Poland. (Not that I want to see a bunch of Poles get killed)
Would also maybe be a good moment for Georgia to try to get some land back.
Just as a point of observation; I have noted a lot of the Russian equipment seems to be of older vintage. Outside of elite units; I don't perceive them to be any kind of cutting edge military force. Sort of old school beat'em with armor and numbers. The air assault at Kyiv today seems to have been horribly botched.
amercer said:
Pipe dream, but not sure what Putin would do if Poland came in on Ukraines side. I don't think the Russians can fight a long war, and I don't think they could pivot quickly to crush Poland. (Not that I want to see a bunch of Poles get killed)
I think that a lot of Russian forces would give up. It's turning out that a lot of the conscripts don't have the will for this. Many/most of them don't have night vision gear, including seasoned troops. They're heavily under equipped. Ukrainians are kicking their ass at night. They just need a little boost.
Poland and the Baltic states need to go in for a land grab. Then exchange them for concessions. Russia doesn't have the forces to fight a multi-front war.
Ramifications of going in and eliminating Putin? Is this premature?
If Putin fails his own party will take care of him.
Positive Ag said:
If Putin fails his own party will take care of him.
Yes. It's a tremendous opportunity we may be forgoing. But I don't have a crystal ball and lives would be at stake. Heavy decision.
Love this thread but how much of this could be Ukrainian propaganda? I want the guys to successful defend their nation but I think Russia could crush them easily
The Russian strategy would be to use tactical nuclear weapons and then deescalate. Nothing I have seen this far makes me think they wouldn't.ja86 said:
Poland and the Baltic states need to go in for a land grab. Then exchange them for concessions. Russia doesn't have the forces to fight a multi-front war.
2wealfth Man said:
Just as a point of observation; I have noted a lot of the Russian equipment seems to be of older vintage. Outside of elite units; I don't perceive them to be any kind of cutting edge military force. Sort of old school beat'em with armor and numbers.
Russia has a lot of equipment in inventory from the Soviet Union days. They have modernized a lot of other older systems while developing new technologies, but there are limits to what the can do until they have to develop newer systems. Keeping a military relevant in Modern times isn't cheap. Especially when you have nuclear submarines and constantly developing missile technologies.
Jay Reimenschneider said:
Love this thread but how much of this could be Ukrainian propaganda? I want the guys to successful defend their nation but I think Russia could crush them easily
Pretty much everything here has been vetted by reputable OSINT sources. They take this very seriously (the reputable ones, anyway).
sure, they have them on sheer numbers and firepower. Urban fighting heavily nullifies that advantage. Check out the Battle for Manila for context.Jay Reimenschneider said:
Love this thread but how much of this could be Ukrainian propaganda? I want the guys to successful defend their nation but I think Russia could crush them easily
Not that sure of that. Russian education has been in the toilet for decades. Only people in Russia that know much of anything are in that position because of Putin. Knowledge is power. And the average Russian doesn't have a lot.Positive Ag said:
If Putin fails his own party will take care of him.
But some do. Russians don't want this war with Ukraine.
aggiehawg said:Not that sure of that. Russian education has been in the toilet for decades. Only people in Russia that know much of anything are in that position because of Putin. Knowledge is power. And the average Russian doesn't have a lot.Positive Ag said:
If Putin fails his own party will take care of him.
But some do. Russians don't want this war with Ukraine.
They will if we cut them off from the world financially. Everyone is loyal to the mob boss until they see cracks. Then people start scheming.
aezmvp said:The Russian strategy would be to use tactical nuclear weapons and then deescalate. Nothing I have seen this far makes me think they wouldn't.ja86 said:
Poland and the Baltic states need to go in for a land grab. Then exchange them for concessions. Russia doesn't have the forces to fight a multi-front war.
Could be. Putin went all in when he could have had the same results if he played a long game and chewed up Ukraine over several years.
Interesting nuggets on the Ukrainian Navy. First reports were they'd been completely sunk and caught napping in harbor (fog of war I suppose). Wish I could find some info on what's really happening with them.htownag10 said:#Breaking THREAD Ukrainian Army Commander in Chief: at 00:00 25.02. Ukrainian army
— Sergej Sumlenny (@sumlenny) February 24, 2022
in the South:
- Defends positions north to Kherson (Kherson lost?)
- Cars bridge at Kherson re-taken, UA army on Dnipro left bank;
- At Rykove, Russian offensive stopped, Russians suffer losses; /1
Ukrainian official says Friday will be "the worst day" of Russian attack, expects airstrikes, landings, penetrations, and encircling
— BNO News (@BNONews) February 25, 2022
ja86 said:aezmvp said:The Russian strategy would be to use tactical nuclear weapons and then deescalate. Nothing I have seen this far makes me think they wouldn't.ja86 said:
Poland and the Baltic states need to go in for a land grab. Then exchange them for concessions. Russia doesn't have the forces to fight a multi-front war.
Could be. Putin went all in when he could have had the same results if he played a long game and chewed up Ukraine over several years.
If he unleashed even one tactical nuke He'd have every developed country rain hellfire down on him and China wouldn't get in the way.
SidsBurnerAccount said:Interesting nuggets on the Ukrainian Navy. First reports were they'd been completely sunk and caught napping in harbor (fog of war I suppose). Wish I could find some info on what's really happening with them.htownag10 said:#Breaking THREAD Ukrainian Army Commander in Chief: at 00:00 25.02. Ukrainian army
— Sergej Sumlenny (@sumlenny) February 24, 2022
in the South:
- Defends positions north to Kherson (Kherson lost?)
- Cars bridge at Kherson re-taken, UA army on Dnipro left bank;
- At Rykove, Russian offensive stopped, Russians suffer losses; /1
Their modern ships were sortied and moved to Romania. A handful of US and UK purchased ships.
I know they moved some of these:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_VI_patrol_boat
And these:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island-class_patrol_vessel
Nothing massive I don't think.
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