Russia's deliberate choice to laugh away the deadly potential of the #BayraktarTB2 against world's most modern SAM systems has turned out to be an absolute disgrace.
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 10, 2022
One that's costing them dearly.
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The guy to the right, #Putin’s colonel Andrey Zakharov, a tank regiment commander, was eliminated yesterday near Kyiv.
— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) March 10, 2022
Death to #Russian invaders! #StandWithUkraine #PutinIsaWarCriminal #PutinHitlerFascism #RussianUkraineWar pic.twitter.com/YLIcNr1A7f
If Russians are using unsecured communications, I would think Ukrainians would try and pinpoint location of top commanders near the combat areas.
❗️#China refused to supply aircraft parts to #Russian airlines.
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 10, 2022
This was stated by Valery #Kudinov, head of the Airworthiness Maintenance Department of the Federal Air Transport Agency (Rosaviatsia), during a conference on aircraft maintenance.
Lithuanian defense minister:
Russian ships have withdrawn from Odessa. Russia lost 4 warplanes and 2 helicopters in their air attack there.
— Arvydas Anušauskas (@a_anusauskas) March 10, 2022
In Kyiv, during a counter-attack, the Ukrainians destroyed five tanks.
The loss of equipment is 10-30% of the forces mobilised against Ukraine in two weeks.
Rossticus said:Russia's narrative is that they will continue aggression until Ukraine surrenders - Kuleba
— Olga Tokariuk (@olgatokariuk) March 10, 2022
How do you surrender when you're not at war?
I heard on some news network yesterday (can't remember which) that said the reason we're not seeing footage of destroyed Ukrainian forces is because the Rooskies aren't allowed to be carrying their smart phones with them. Commanders don't want them calling home or somesuch.Quote:Quote:
TRM said:
I think so, but I don't remember reading about it.
This is the pro-Ukrainian thread. No news about Russia's successes are allowed
But yes, it's frustrating, as great as this thread is, that we get very little sense of whole picture.
Corporal Punishment said:I heard on some news network yesterday (can't remember which) that said the reason we're not seeing footage of destroyed Ukrainian forces is because the Rooskies aren't allowed to be carrying their smart phones with them. Commanders don't want them calling home or somesuch.Quote:Quote:
TRM said:
I think so, but I don't remember reading about it.
This is the pro-Ukrainian thread. No news about Russia's successes are allowed
But yes, it's frustrating, as great as this thread is, that we get very little sense of whole picture.
On top of that most of the OSINT accounts are openly pro-Ukrainian and will not show Ukrainian losses or positions.
Like you said, very difficult to get a grasp on the situation.
depogs said:
I can't believe my eyes. Even untrained Iraqi insurgents weren't this stupid when I was over there. One machine gun burst or one mortar team could take all these guys out.
It's like Stalingrad. Deaths dont matter to Russian oligarchs and dictators. They are just a number. It is however pissing off Russian mothers.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/world/russian-mothers-reportedly-accuse-putin-of-using-sons-as-cannon-fodder-in-ukraine-invasion.amp
I got to my hotel last night very late. MSNBC apparently runs UK's Sky News. Talk about excellent coverage! It was like CNN with British accents. Plus they are telling the story of what's going on around Europe.
Care to share some salient points?Charpie said:
I got to my hotel last night very late. MSNBC apparently runs UK's Sky News. Talk about excellent coverage! It was like CNN with British accents. Plus they are telling the story of what's going on around Europe.
OPSEC is at least part of it too. Ukraine asked from minute one to keep all details about Uke forces off the airwaves and that is something nearly everyone has acquiesced to. From the picture we are seeing form Russia, it is entirely possible they have no real idea of Uke force composition either with any certainty and the world would generally like to see that happen as well.Corporal Punishment said:I heard on some news network yesterday (can't remember which) that said the reason we're not seeing footage of destroyed Ukrainian forces is because the Rooskies aren't allowed to be carrying their smart phones with them. Commanders don't want them calling home or somesuch.Quote:Quote:
TRM said:
I think so, but I don't remember reading about it.
This is the pro-Ukrainian thread. No news about Russia's successes are allowed
But yes, it's frustrating, as great as this thread is, that we get very little sense of whole picture.
There are clear good guys and bad guys here in this war and the world has rallied for the cause. This is just as much an information war as it is a shooting one.
Most likely scenario IMO ... Russia will surround and cut off both Kiev and Odessa from resupply. Fast forward 3-4 weeks and both cities are humanitarian disasters and everything east of the Dnieper and along the coast are consolidated and effectively under Russian control. Russian supply lines are then mostly re-established.David Wallace said:
The Russian forces might be able to surround Kiev, but I don't see how they maintain it.
As we have seen, the Ukrainians have had successful counter-attacks to retake positions lost.
I think its more probable that the Russian forces get their supply chain cut off and they slowly get eliminated.
Yes, there will still be an ongoing active resistance but nothing that threatens their grip. This is when Russia's negotiating leverage will be at it's peak.
than the other one high tails it out of there passing other armor. I guess he got the msg.
but only one destroyed vehicle. If there was ever a time for "fire for Effect" they could have created a natural steel roadblock against future advances.
They have a live stream YouTube Channel in the states. When this started I watched their coverage b/c none of the US nets coverage would be decent.aggiehawg said:Care to share some salient points?Charpie said:
I got to my hotel last night very late. MSNBC apparently runs UK's Sky News. Talk about excellent coverage! It was like CNN with British accents. Plus they are telling the story of what's going on around Europe.
They didn't have many people in country which was really surprising. I think a ton of people never thought they'd invade.
I heard #Russia faces difficulties supplying its own troops. It seems they are, however, pretty good at supplying Ukrainian forces with all the ammo they need 👌 pic.twitter.com/Fv2bhbkBuh
— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) March 10, 2022
I saw one report that Ukrainian heavy armor losses were about the same percentage as the Russians.RebelE Infantry said:Corporal Punishment said:I heard on some news network yesterday (can't remember which) that said the reason we're not seeing footage of destroyed Ukrainian forces is because the Rooskies aren't allowed to be carrying their smart phones with them. Commanders don't want them calling home or somesuch.Quote:Quote:
TRM said:
I think so, but I don't remember reading about it.
This is the pro-Ukrainian thread. No news about Russia's successes are allowed
But yes, it's frustrating, as great as this thread is, that we get very little sense of whole picture.
On top of that most of the OSINT accounts are openly pro-Ukrainian and will not show Ukrainian losses or positions.
Like you said, very difficult to get a grasp on the situation.
Because you commented about it earlier in this thread…
Did you see announcement yesterday that AirCav was moving more of Operation Atlantic Resolve assets to Poland?
Did you see announcement yesterday that AirCav was moving more of Operation Atlantic Resolve assets to Poland?
And if Ukraine is cutting off the same supply lines to the encircling forces, they're going to experience the same thing. Up to this point, they've been pretty good at doing that. Russia's zone of control between the border and Kyev isn't the best.benchmark said:Most likely scenario IMO ... Russia will surround and cut off both Kiev and Odessa from resupply. Fast forward 3-4 weeks and both cities are humanitarian disasters and everything east of the Dnieper and along the coast are consolidated and effectively under Russian control. Russian supply lines are then mostly re-established.David Wallace said:
The Russian forces might be able to surround Kiev, but I don't see how they maintain it.
As we have seen, the Ukrainians have had successful counter-attacks to retake positions lost.
I think its more probable that the Russian forces get their supply chain cut off and they slowly get eliminated.
Yes, there will still be an ongoing active resistance but nothing that threatens their grip. This is when Russia's negotiating leverage will be at it's peak.
France 24 and SkyNews have free love coverage on YouTube on the conflict. Blows the US coverage out of the water IMO.
VaultingChemist said:I saw one report that Ukrainian heavy armor losses were about the same percentage as the Russians.RebelE Infantry said:Corporal Punishment said:I heard on some news network yesterday (can't remember which) that said the reason we're not seeing footage of destroyed Ukrainian forces is because the Rooskies aren't allowed to be carrying their smart phones with them. Commanders don't want them calling home or somesuch.Quote:Quote:
TRM said:
I think so, but I don't remember reading about it.
This is the pro-Ukrainian thread. No news about Russia's successes are allowed
But yes, it's frustrating, as great as this thread is, that we get very little sense of whole picture.
On top of that most of the OSINT accounts are openly pro-Ukrainian and will not show Ukrainian losses or positions.
Like you said, very difficult to get a grasp on the situation.
Thanks. Makes sense and about what you'd expect in a near peer fight between modern armies.
mickeyrig06sq3 said:And if Ukraine is cutting off the same supply lines to the encircling forces, they're going to experience the same thing. Up to this point, they've been pretty good at doing that. Russia's zone of control between the border and Kyev isn't the best.benchmark said:Most likely scenario IMO ... Russia will surround and cut off both Kiev and Odessa from resupply. Fast forward 3-4 weeks and both cities are humanitarian disasters and everything east of the Dnieper and along the coast are consolidated and effectively under Russian control. Russian supply lines are then mostly re-established.David Wallace said:
The Russian forces might be able to surround Kiev, but I don't see how they maintain it.
As we have seen, the Ukrainians have had successful counter-attacks to retake positions lost.
I think its more probable that the Russian forces get their supply chain cut off and they slowly get eliminated.
Yes, there will still be an ongoing active resistance but nothing that threatens their grip. This is when Russia's negotiating leverage will be at it's peak.
I think Ukraine is harassing supply lines instead of cutting them off proper. To actually cut off supply lines you need maneuver elements to take and hold roads and bridges or have total air superiority. They have neither.
Still causes a lot of headaches for the Russians though.
BREAKING: Kremlin says Russia's economy is experiencing a shock amid 'unprecedented' economic war
— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) March 10, 2022
On the Bayraktar, while it's been highly effective in this theater, I'm assuming that's it's "average" in performance compared to what other western nations might have in the same class?
Agthatbuilds said:One of the world's most fearsome snipers is set to join the fighting in Ukraine after answering President Volodymyr Zelensky's call for foreign volunteers to help defeat Russian invaders.
— Rob Crilly (@robcrilly) March 9, 2022
https://t.co/lY5GfAECWM via @MailOnline
Regarding Snipers...
Right now, I hope they have a lot of .50 BMG or some heavy caliber that can kill vehicles with a shot through the engine block. I think material destruction would probably be as good as or even perhaps better than offing officers. There is just a massive menue of vehicles a sniper could kill and maybe even elicit halting convoys.
Ag In Ok said:
Did hostemel and makariv (sp) both fall back to the Russians?
Map is from https://militaryland.net/ukraine/invasion-day-14-summary/.
It looks like Hostomel is contested but the airport is under Russian control. Makariv looks to still be under Ukrainian control.
This is Igor.
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) March 10, 2022
Every morning Igor goes for a stroll through the nearby forest.
Today, Igor found a Russian Army 9K330 Tor SAM system abandoned in the forest.
Now Igor owns a $20 million SAM system.
Congratulations Igor. pic.twitter.com/5pyyFTKqCP
I dont' know about that. I'm a straight up civilian but that "budget" drone is killing tanks and HVTs. It's lethal enough. I'd say where it might fall short against one of ours is survivability and maybe loiter time. Our military tends to overdo things and this Bayraktar is a bare bones killer.YouBet said:
On the Bayraktar, while it's been highly effective in this theater, I'm assuming that's it's "average" in performance compared to what other western nations might have in the same class?
And exactly what's needed.
Yeah like someone said about the video of all the Russian vehicles under fire earlier, creating these massive vehicle road blocks with dead vehicles is a pretty dang good idea of the Ukes
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— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) March 10, 2022
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#Map. This video shows the progress made by Russian invasion forces in Ukraine over the first 15 days of their attack, from Feb 24th to March 10th.
— Nathan Ruser (@Nrg8000) March 10, 2022
(Please view in fullscreen as some of the earlier days are not as clearly marked) pic.twitter.com/NwwNaBxRGo
— Rob Lee (@RALee85) March 10, 2022
Powerful yes, but the Russian military is significantly more reliant on senior officers than most Western militaries. Every Lt. Col and above you eliminate will cause huge problems long term for them as they are unable to effectively respond on the ground especially with a degrading comms situation.oldmanguy said:Agthatbuilds said:One of the world's most fearsome snipers is set to join the fighting in Ukraine after answering President Volodymyr Zelensky's call for foreign volunteers to help defeat Russian invaders.
— Rob Crilly (@robcrilly) March 9, 2022
https://t.co/lY5GfAECWM via @MailOnline
Regarding Snipers...
Right now, I hope they have a lot of .50 BMG or some heavy caliber that can kill vehicles with a shot through the engine block. I think material destruction would probably be as good as or even perhaps better than offing officers. There is just a massive menue of vehicles a sniper could kill and maybe even elicit halting convoys.
Assuming that is true, seems it would be a lot easier to get special forces saboteurs into Russia and Belarus to wreak havoc behind their lines.
aggiehawg said:
Assuming that is true, seems it would be a lot easier to get special forces saboteurs into Russia and Belarus to wreak havoc behind their lines.
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