***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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txags92 said:

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If Ukraine hits some civilian structures in moscow...


I still think that is absolutely what Putin is hoping they will do. He needs his population motivated to support a full mobilization. If Ukraine doesn't hit some civilian targets soon, I suspect Putin will do it for them and then blame it on Ukraine as a pretext for the full mobilization.

What does full mobilization look like:

In numbers of personnel?
Equipment and where does it come from?
How do they train, where do they train, how do they move them around?
Who is going to train them? Are they pulling people off the current front?

is russia currently set up to train in small numbers or is this 10,000 on a current base or two?

To me all of these above just become targets for long range UAVs currently running out of wildberry wharehouses and O&G.



The last partial mobilization was 300,000 is September 2022. I have seen reports that they would be targeting building a 2 million man force with the new mobilization, which would probably mean 500,000-600,000 in the new mobilization. The Ukrainians are expecting the orcs to mobilize 300k this year after the Duma elections in September and 300K next year. Based on past examples, I think any training they receive would be minimal and they are there to be fodder to soak up hits from drones and other munitions. The equipment question really depends on if they are going to try to go back to large scale mobile offensive tactics or if they are going to keep trying to advance by sending many small groups into an area on foot or using light vehicles (motorcyles, scooters, civilian cars, etc.).

As you said, yes, they will all become targets for drones and other weaponry, but their current tactics for the few places they are able to advance have been to try to overload the defensive capabilities with an endless supply of targets and eventually overwhelm them with numbers, not terribly unlike the human waves Iran used against Iraq in the 80s. At some point you just can't shoot them all fast enough to stop the mass as a whole from advancing.


Heres a gun. Run that way. Dont turn around or we will shoot you.

Training complete
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Who?mikejones! said:

txags92 said:

JFABNRGR said:

txags92 said:

EastSideAg2002 said:

If Ukraine hits some civilian structures in moscow...


I still think that is absolutely what Putin is hoping they will do. He needs his population motivated to support a full mobilization. If Ukraine doesn't hit some civilian targets soon, I suspect Putin will do it for them and then blame it on Ukraine as a pretext for the full mobilization.

What does full mobilization look like:

In numbers of personnel?
Equipment and where does it come from?
How do they train, where do they train, how do they move them around?
Who is going to train them? Are they pulling people off the current front?

is russia currently set up to train in small numbers or is this 10,000 on a current base or two?

To me all of these above just become targets for long range UAVs currently running out of wildberry wharehouses and O&G.



The last partial mobilization was 300,000 is September 2022. I have seen reports that they would be targeting building a 2 million man force with the new mobilization, which would probably mean 500,000-600,000 in the new mobilization. The Ukrainians are expecting the orcs to mobilize 300k this year after the Duma elections in September and 300K next year. Based on past examples, I think any training they receive would be minimal and they are there to be fodder to soak up hits from drones and other munitions. The equipment question really depends on if they are going to try to go back to large scale mobile offensive tactics or if they are going to keep trying to advance by sending many small groups into an area on foot or using light vehicles (motorcyles, scooters, civilian cars, etc.).

As you said, yes, they will all become targets for drones and other weaponry, but their current tactics for the few places they are able to advance have been to try to overload the defensive capabilities with an endless supply of targets and eventually overwhelm them with numbers, not terribly unlike the human waves Iran used against Iraq in the 80s. At some point you just can't shoot them all fast enough to stop the mass as a whole from advancing.


Heres a gun. Run that way. Dont turn around or we will shoot you.

Training complete

If they really trust you, they will give you a couple of rounds of ammunition for the gun before sending you on your way.
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Looking like Ukraine may be on borrowed time from a standpoint of European support. Germany and France look likely to serve them up after their upcoming elections.

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Europe is broke and mismanged their immigration so poorly the establishment is likely going to lose bigly. If europe allows it anyway.

Now putin might screw it up and do something stupid like hit a uk munitions plant or drop a tac nuke( since thats been in the news again recently)
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For France and Germany I don't think it will matter, regardless of what happens. They're at the point of wanting to go back to making money from Russia, and letting them do whatever they want in the interest of facilitating that. And if they can make even more money by looking the other way then so much the better. As long as they're compliant, they feel like they'll remain sufficiently insulted while Eastern Europe burns. They'll keep cashing checks.
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Hard to bring a country to its knees if those pesky children who manage to survive can have things like food, clothing, and medicine.


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Five years in and the best shot at ending this thing is an internal assassination of Putin.
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sam callahan said:

Five years in and the best shot at ending this thing is an internal assassination of Putin.

Always has been the best option TBH
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Winter is coming, Moscow should have no gas or heating oil.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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Ukraine needs air defense yesterday!
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Russia has shifted to a new air terror tactic in recent days hitting Kyiv and other cities in small drone waves every 3060 minutes around the clock.

Retired Major Hetman warns alerts could last weeks with no all-clear at all, as Russia sends two or three drones every few hours.

Kyiv is now under its ninth air raid alert of the day, with jet drones approaching again. Yesterday the capital saw 13 alerts totaling 14 hours.

The near-constant alerts are forcing shopping centers, restaurants, and stores to halt operations, largely paralyzing public transport and rail. Some intercity trains are already running more than 13 hours late.


At what point does Ukraine start hitting tit for tat?
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"Killer whales eat bears"???

If you're going to come up with some BS justification, then at least make it plausible. Or is there some reasoning behind such a stupid statement of misinformation?
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Polar bears
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No, killer whales do not normally eat polar bears or other bears.

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While melting Arctic ice brings orcas and swimming polar bears into the same waters more often, there are no documented cases of killer whales regularly hunting or eating them. Orcas have strict, specialized diets passed down through their pods (such as focusing only on fish, seals, or specific whales), and polar bears are not a part of their normal food chain.


Spoiler alert - orcas don't eat people, either.
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Putin isn't known for taking a keen interest in truth or facts when interacting with the media… or anyone else, for the most part.

The amusing part is that a whale wouldn't try to eat a bear unless it was quite desperate and its survival would be threatened otherwise. So there may be some unintended truth there after all.
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I think it's hilarious about a bear being eaten when russia

National Personification: The bear (specifically the "Russian Bear") serves as the unofficial national animal and personification of Russia, symbolizing the country's vast geographic size, raw power, resilience, and formidable strength.
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Unable to prevail on the battlefield, Putin is doubling down on his terror campaign against Ukraine's capitol.

"Russia has suddenly ramped-up the number of attacks, and their duration, on Kyiv. Ukrainian officials state there was a record number of waves of one-way attack drones on the capitol on Thursday. This is in contrast to the typical Russian mass barrages that launch a larger number of missiles and drones that strike over a short period in an attempt to overwhelm defenses and inflict maximum damage. The change from prioritizing amplitude to frequency of these assaults indicates that Moscow could be switching to a new strategy aimed at wearing down the populace, halting commerce and exhausting air defenders."

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That's odd. I've been told that Russia is "behaving very well".
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Waffledynamics said:



At some point NATO is going to have to respond to these acts of war being conducted against NATO member states. Not saying go to war over it, but you have to punish Russia in a way that makes them realize it is not in their interests to do such things in the future. Giving Ukraine a bunch of Tomahawks and some precise real-time targeting data for Russia's tactical bombers and ballistic missile facilities would be a good start.
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txags92 said:

Waffledynamics said:



At some point NATO is going to have to respond to these acts of war being conducted against NATO member states. Not saying go to war over it, but you have to punish Russia in a way that makes them realize it is not in their interests to do such things in the future. Giving Ukraine a bunch of Tomahawks and some precise real-time targeting data for Russia's tactical bombers and ballistic missile facilities would be a good start.


While I agree that they should, I'm almost entirely pessimistic that they will.
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Color me skeptical…



For this reason…

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Rossticus said:

txags92 said:

Waffledynamics said:



At some point NATO is going to have to respond to these acts of war being conducted against NATO member states. Not saying go to war over it, but you have to punish Russia in a way that makes them realize it is not in their interests to do such things in the future. Giving Ukraine a bunch of Tomahawks and some precise real-time targeting data for Russia's tactical bombers and ballistic missile facilities would be a good start.


While I agree that they should, I'm almost entirely pessimistic that they will.

????? The Europeans have been providing Ukraine with targeting intel since the war started and cruise missiles for years, as well. They can't provide Tomahawks without US permission. Meanwhile, Ukraine has developed its own long-range weapons that are already reaching deep into Russia.

STORM SHADOW
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Putin over estimated his ability to take out Ukraine, he's generated a new monster in his own back yard. Ukraine is now a leader in drone technology and they cwn now produce all their own missiles including new ballistic & cruise missiles. If this war continues, I don't see Russia gaining more ground, I see both sides losing commercial assets in their cities. Ukraine will hammer the Russians refineries as well
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