***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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PJYoung
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Hugh Jass
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agent-maroon said:

Ukraine copied China's technology without paying for it and are now using it against their partner's interests? lol at the irony of that move.


Agreed. Reading about the Uke's Chinese'ing the Chinese really makes my socks go up and down…
sam callahan
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IMO, we should find ways to pressure Russia to wind down instead of trying to create a safe space for them so as to mitigate economic impact and corresponding political blowback.


What happens to Putin when the war ends? Particularly if it's a loss?

Answer that and you will understand why Putin will never stop.
Waffledynamics
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74OA
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Gutsy run by the commander and that must have been a memorably painful ride for the wounded.

Eliminatus
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A pretty wild still image from a video of it burning. I believe the Koledina WB location is the largest one by square footage.

Seen a lot of Russians quite upset now on social media about these strikes and losing their product. If they can ignore the drunks and homeless disappearing, it is harder to ignore all the impacts to their wallets.
GAC06
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This has to be affecting the remaining warehouses at this point. Who wants their stuff going up in flames next?
Waffledynamics
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Holy moly.

PJYoung
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Rossticus
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P.U.T.U
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Yes it takes 20 FPV drones to stop a tank but that is still a good investment. Lose 0 soldiers, spend low six figures to take out a seven figure tank.

That is the change in warfare, in the past you would have to have air or ground superiority to take out a tank. Now you just throw drone after drone at it until one finally takes it out.
74OA
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Exactly. 20 to one is still a very favorable exchange ratio--economically and operationally--for cheap FPV drones.

Ukraine estimates it expends ~10,000 drones of all three classes every day--mostly losses and misses--and their use nonetheless still dominates the war.
docb
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I am not sure that it consistently takes 20 drones for a single tank. And I would be willing to bet that Ukraine will adapt and shrink that number considerably, if Russia doesn't run out of tanks first.
ABATTBQ11
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But that's like any cheap munition.
PJYoung
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He said 10 to 20 and I agree that its not a bad thing at all from Ukraine's perspective. The cost difference is astounding.
74OA
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Industry still balking at allowing Ukraine to produce Patriot missiles.

"The race toward competition is problematic for the defense giants, the official said, not because Ukraine might steal the Patriot, but because the country's partners might outbuild it, cutting into the current monopoly on antiballistic capabilities and profits."

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This despite Zelensky offering to agree to any contract conditions.

"Zelensky told CNN he has offered Raytheon and Lockheed Martin full ownership and control of any interceptor manufacturing plant the companies would permit inside Ukraine.

"It will be your company," Zelensky recalled telling the manufacturers. "It will be our brains, our hands, our engineers. And I will do my best to build the great company… for them. Because I don't need to sell [the interceptors] to anybody else. I need for my country."

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ABATTBQ11
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TBH, they have some legitimate concerns regarding corruption and secrets. Even if Ukraine agrees to whatever US companies want, that won't stop individuals associated with production from trying to make some money themselves, and Russia has deep pockets and easier access to Ukrainians than Americans.
74OA
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ABATTBQ11 said:

TBH, they have some legitimate concerns regarding corruption and secrets. Even if Ukraine agrees to whatever US companies want, that won't stop individuals associated with production from trying to make some money themselves, and Russia has deep pockets and easier access to Ukrainians than Americans.

Then those concerns need to be addressed, but industry needs to find a way to be part of the solution instead of adding to the problem. I tend to agree with the article which says our companies mostly fear the potential competition.
ABATTBQ11
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That's on Ukraine though. If they don't have an adequate security environment, you can't just lay it on some conspiracy that US defense companies are afraid of being one upped. They have a lot invested in these weapons, and they're not going to just license them out to anyone.
Rossticus
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Will have to go to X to view due to "sensitive content".
Rossticus
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Rossticus
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EastSideAg2002
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Rossticus said:



Looks like the commoners do not want to keep funding it with their money either.

Russians withdraw billions from banks amid fears Putin could seize deposits
sam callahan
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Russian billionaires "chipped in" $4.5 billion for Putin


Putin has created many oligarchs during his reign, but he keeps them on a tight leash. Pay up - usually to him personally - or go to jail. Simple choice.
Rossticus
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sam callahan said:

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Russian billionaires "chipped in" $4.5 billion for Putin


Putin has created many oligarchs during his reign, but he keeps them on a tight leash. Pay up - usually to him personally - or go to jail. Simple choice.


They usually have 3 choices. Gulag, tea, or window. All equally unappealing.
Rossticus
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If you're a Russian who opposes the Russian government, you don't last long.

74OA
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Ukraine continues to design and produce its own munitions and weapons to reduce dependance on foreign suppliers.



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pdc093
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I thought that was Fauci.....
Rossticus
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I'd have traded him for Fauci…
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Waffledynamics
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Massive hit on Kyiv.



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The premises of a children's hospital were also damaged. Windows were broken, cars are burning in the area.

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fullback44
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Waffledynamics said:

Massive hit on Kyiv.



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The premises of a children's hospital were also damaged. Windows were broken, cars are burning in the area.



This is absolutely horrible, if the West used the weapons we have against Russia they would be begging us to stop shelling them. This will all change as soon as Ukraine gets there own ballistic missiles and Ukraine starts shelling them back with missiles the Russians can't stop. Until then Russia will try to muscle Ukraine into giving up.

2026 and the world is at those point
fullback44
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For those wanting some information on hypersonic missiles and who has them and who is already using them this article explains it pretty well. Looks like the US may be behind on these type weapons, but that tells me we probably have other options on the table

https://militarymachine.com/hypersonic-weapons-explained
BigNastyNate
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