Its safe to say North Korea will be shipping some to the front for putin.

From Chat GP
North Korea possesses several types of tanks, primarily sourced from both domestic production and imported models. Some of the main types of tanks in the North Korean arsenal include:
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Chonma-ho (Type 98/99): This is North Korea's main battle tank, developed domestically. It is believed to be based on Soviet-era T-62 tanks with significant upgrades.

Pokpung-ho (Type 2002): Another domestically developed tank, the Pokpung-ho is considered North Korea's most advanced tank model. It is speculated to have design elements influenced by various contemporary tank designs.

PT-76: This is a Soviet amphibious light tank that North Korea acquired from the Soviet Union. It's primarily used for reconnaissance and amphibious operations.

T-55/T-62: North Korea also possesses older Soviet-era tanks like the T-55 and T-62, which were acquired during the Cold War. These tanks have been upgraded and modified over the years.

T-72: There are reports that North Korea has acquired or produced versions of the T-72, a Soviet-designed main battle tank known for its robust design and firepower.

M1992 (Ch'o'ng Ma Gong Gun): This is a light tank produced in North Korea that is reportedly used for airborne operations and as a support tank.

[/ol]These tanks form the backbone of North Korea's armored forces, supporting their military strategy and defense posture. The exact numbers and specific capabilities of each type can vary due to secrecy surrounding North Korea's military operations and the challenges of external verification.

My second question will putin get some tanks from NK? I don't think Chat GP is as smart as it thinks it is.

There haven't been any confirmed reports or official announcements suggesting that Vladimir Putin or Russia are seeking to acquire tanks directly from North Korea. Generally, international arms transactions involving North Korea are highly restricted due to sanctions imposed by the United Nations and various countries, including Russia.
While North Korea has developed and maintains a variety of tanks, including indigenous designs and older Soviet models, these are primarily for its own defense and strategic purposes. Any attempt by Russia to procure military equipment from North Korea would likely be subject to international scrutiny and could potentially violate sanctions.
Russia has its own robust military industry and is capable of producing and maintaining its own tanks, such as variants of the T-72 and T-90 series. Therefore, there would be little strategic or practical benefit for Russia to seek tanks from North Korea, especially given the political and diplomatic implications involved.
In summary, as of the latest available information, there is no indication that Vladimir Putin or Russia is planning to acquire tanks from North Korea.

Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia. Don't think there are any containers that could fit something like a T72 tank, you maybe could but have to take the tracks off which how do you get it in and out of a container? There are extra wide containers but it would be obvious what was being shipped since they would likely have to put them on the train outdoors and a simple satellite pass can see this.

BTR or similar would likely fit though

Putin is probably looking for long Dong rockets

P.U.T.U said:

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Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia. Don't think there are any containers that could fit something like a T72 tank, you maybe could but have to take the tracks off which how do you get it in and out of a container? There are extra wide containers but it would be obvious what was being shipped since they would likely have to put them on the train outdoors and a simple satellite pass can see this.

BTR or similar would likely fit though

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Do shipping vessels leaving NK now become military targets?

I recognize that NK isn't too far from Russian ports, but would be an interesting opportunity.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/X9DqMwpZKThWjLoW7?g_st=ic

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Putin is probably looking for long Dong rockets

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Since he is aiming at large apartment complexes and power plants accuracy isn't all that important.

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Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia. Don't think there are any containers that could fit something like a T72 tank, you maybe could but have to take the tracks off which how do you get it in and out of a container? There are extra wide containers but it would be obvious what was being shipped since they would likely have to put them on the train outdoors and a simple satellite pass can see this.

BTR or similar would likely fit though

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Do shipping vessels leaving NK now become military targets?

I recognize that NK isn't too far from Russian ports, but would be an interesting opportunity.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/X9DqMwpZKThWjLoW7?g_st=ic

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They share a border and could (and probably do) just send stuff by train

Oh, yep, you're right. https://maps.app.goo.gl/UHEuqTzN3Y34crG87

Aerial drone air-to-air combat is heating up with Ukraine pivoting to using its first person-view drones to swat Russian drones out of the sky, plus other frontline updates.

Today's SITREP.

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Naveronski said:

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Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia. Don't think there are any containers that could fit something like a T72 tank, you maybe could but have to take the tracks off which how do you get it in and out of a container? There are extra wide containers but it would be obvious what was being shipped since they would likely have to put them on the train outdoors and a simple satellite pass can see this.

BTR or similar would likely fit though

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Do shipping vessels leaving NK now become military targets?

I recognize that NK isn't too far from Russian ports, but would be an interesting opportunity.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/X9DqMwpZKThWjLoW7?g_st=ic

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They share a border and could (and probably do) just send stuff by train

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In what could be very good news for Kiev, South Korea has blasted the NK/Russia deal and is threatening to supply arms to Ukraine in response.

Next-level hypocrisy. "KCNA said Article 4 of the agreement states that if one of the countries gets invaded and is pushed into a state of war, the other must deploy "all means at its disposal without delay" to provide "military and other assistance." But it also says that such actions must be in accordance with the laws of both countries and Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which recognizes a U.N. member state's right to self-defense."

ANGER

IR cameras will detect drones more easily, and some sort of automated or assist guidance with high performance short range drones with a frag warhead might make them useful for interceptions.

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IR cameras will detect drones more easily, and some sort of automated or assist guidance with high performance short range drones with a frag warhead might make them useful for interceptions.

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Recent post on Reddit showing claymores strapped to the front of the fpv drones.
Looks like the Ukes will get to rename the nomenclature due to dual purpose now.

There are already drones that can communicate between each other including IR, Bluetooth, visual, etc. but they are a lot more expensive. You can basically tell them what area to go and what kind of targets to attack with them taking care of the rest. Kind of scary. Not sure if the USA is allowing Ukraine to get their hands on any yet.

So, the US is sending a second Patriot system, Germany is sending a fourth, Netherlands is crowd-sourcing a second system and now Romania is sending one. Is that nine Ukraine's total, or are there more I've forgotten?

ROMANIA

The US is also prioritizing Patriot and NASAMS missile deliveries to Ukraine over other customers. "The White House expects Ukraine will receive these air defense weapons by the end of the summer. Kirby said the number will be in the hundreds, and that the decision should give Ukraine what it needs for the next 16 months. At that point, the countries who currently have air defense missiles on order can expect to start seeing theirs delivered."

SAM

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Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia.

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"On Tuesday, a U.S. State Department spokesman said that in recent months, Washington has seen North Korea "unlawfully transfer dozens of ballistic missiles and over 11,000 containers of munitions to aid Russia's war effort," The Associated Press reported."

At least 10,000 shipping containers suspected to be containing artillery ammunition and other weapons sent from North Korea to Russia were identified by South Korea.
North Korea has sent containers to Russia that could hold nearly 5 million artillery shells of the likes that… pic.twitter.com/zWhDcRt2eb

— Iuliia Mendel (@IuliiaMendel) June 19, 2024

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Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia.

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"On Tuesday, a U.S. State Department spokesman said that in recent months, Washington has seen North Korea "unlawfully transfer dozens of ballistic missiles and over 11,000 containers of munitions to aid Russia's war effort," The Associated Press reported."

At least 10,000 shipping containers suspected to be containing artillery ammunition and other weapons sent from North Korea to Russia were identified by South Korea.
North Korea has sent containers to Russia that could hold nearly 5 million artillery shells of the likes that… pic.twitter.com/zWhDcRt2eb

— Iuliia Mendel (@IuliiaMendel) June 19, 2024

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I don't think anyone can question my stand on this, but saying it's unlawful for NK to do the same thing the west is doing for Ukraine is rich.

Unless we plan to do something about it, what's even the point?

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Artillery and missiles can be put in containers so there is doubt of what is being shipped from North Korea to Russia.

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"On Tuesday, a U.S. State Department spokesman said that in recent months, Washington has seen North Korea "unlawfully transfer dozens of ballistic missiles and over 11,000 containers of munitions to aid Russia's war effort," The Associated Press reported."

At least 10,000 shipping containers suspected to be containing artillery ammunition and other weapons sent from North Korea to Russia were identified by South Korea.
North Korea has sent containers to Russia that could hold nearly 5 million artillery shells of the likes that… pic.twitter.com/zWhDcRt2eb

— Iuliia Mendel (@IuliiaMendel) June 19, 2024

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I don't think anyone can question my stand on this, but saying it's unlawful for NK to do the same thing the west is doing for Ukraine is rich.

Unless we plan to do something about it, what's even the point?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_sanctions_against_North_Korea

No idea what we can do about it as they share a common border

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I think it's technically "unlawful" due to UN prohibitions on North Korea but I'm not certain. But, yeah, apart from that technicality we've flown past the point of criticism on crap like that. Either do something about it or shut up.

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there are domestic US, European Union, and United Nations sanctions/embargoes on both Russia and North Korea

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Don't conflate the two. NK is under UN sanctions which ban it trading in military equipment and arms. That is why NK providing arms to Russia is illegal while the West assisting Ukraine is not.

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Using UN sanctions seems a little hypocritical to me. They are trying to sanction Israel as if they are Russia or NK. Useless bunch of mouth breathers.

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Don't conflate the two. NK is under UN sanctions which ban it trading in military equipment and arms. That is why NK providing arms to Russia is illegal while the West assisting Ukraine is not.

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Sure. The reality is both sides are helping their Allies. We just justify it with the UN.

So either There has to be UN consequences for Russia as they are a member or there's absolutely no reason to even talk about it as if it matters.

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Don't conflate the two. NK is under UN sanctions which ban it trading in military equipment and arms. That is why NK providing arms to Russia is illegal while the West assisting Ukraine is not.

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And if it draws SK into full military support of Ukraine then it may very well backfire on Russia. Due to the new Ru/NK treaty it may very well be in SK's best interest to ensure that the Russian military is in no position to aid NK with anything if Kim ever decides to feel froggy.

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74OA said:

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Don't conflate the two. NK is under UN sanctions which ban it trading in military equipment and arms. That is why NK providing arms to Russia is illegal while the West assisting Ukraine is not.

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Sure. The reality is both sides are helping their Allies. We just justify it with the UN.

So either There has to be UN consequences for Russia as they are a member or there's absolutely no reason to even talk about it as if it matters.

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UN? Consequences? I just spit coffee out of my nose. Thanks. ;p

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Don't conflate the two. NK is under UN sanctions which ban it trading in military equipment and arms. That is why NK providing arms to Russia is illegal while the West assisting Ukraine is not.

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And if it draws SK into full military support of Ukraine then it may very well backfire on Russia. Due to the new Ru/NK treaty it may very well be in SK's best interest to ensure that the Russian military is in no position to aid NK with anything if Kim ever decides to feel froggy.

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Right, so ONCE AGAIN Vlad shows he's a master strategist!

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Don't conflate the two. NK is under UN sanctions which ban it trading in military equipment and arms. That is why NK providing arms to Russia is illegal while the West assisting Ukraine is not.

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Sure. The reality is both sides are helping their Allies. We just justify it with the UN.

So either There has to be UN consequences for Russia as they are a member or there's absolutely no reason to even talk about it as if it matters.

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Of course it matters to talk about it. Even if we have no recourse with already heavily sanctioned NK and Russia short of attacking the illegal shipments, it's important for the world to know what is going on.

We don't use the UN to justify our defense of Ukraine. We (and the UN) justify it because Putin's war flies in the face of everything we believe in.

The purposes for which nations act matters. Don't equate us helping Ukraine to defend itself with NK helping Russia to destroy it.

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Rossticus said:

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I think it's technically "unlawful" due to UN prohibitions on North Korea but I'm not certain. But, yeah, apart from that technicality we've flown past the point of criticism on crap like that. Either do something about it or shut up.

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there are domestic US, European Union, and United Nations sanctions/embargoes on both Russia and North Korea

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Which mean eff all unless you're willing to set a hard line to enforce violations. Everyone has been somewhat squishy on enforcement to this point. I understand the reasoning behind not doing so but the fact remains that platitudes and resolutions only go so far once the offending party learns where your limits are and pushes past them.

It may be considered unlawful due to UN authorized sanctions on NoKo related to its nuclear program, or maybe some other treaties.

Whatever the result, Russia might want to re-mill those shell cases or their gun barrel lives will drop by a huge margin.

Here's a good look at Gazprom, Moscow's cash cow, which posted a massive $6.8 billion loss for 2023, the first since 1999.

"Gazprom's woes are very likely setting off alarm bells in Moscow: With no good options for the company to revive flagging gas sales, its losses could weigh on Russia's ability to finance the war in Ukraine. This is especially ironic given the fact that EU sanctions do not target Russian gas exports; the damage to the Kremlin and its war effort is entirely self-inflicted."

DEFICIT

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Here's a good look at Gazprom, Moscow's cash cow, which posted a massive $6.8 billion loss for 2023, the first since 1999.

"Gazprom's woes are very likely setting off alarm bells in Moscow: With no good options for the company to revive flagging gas sales, its losses could weigh on Russia's ability to finance the war in Ukraine. This is especially ironic given the fact that EU sanctions do not target Russian gas exports; the damage to the Kremlin and its war effort is entirely self-inflicted."

DEFICIT

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and finances are not even half of the story here; there is going to be no one left to build or repair anything Gazprom owns real soon as they are/were at the front of the special operation running into drone and artillery waves for the motherland

Americans are so short sighted, they made $126 billion in 2022 and $91.5 billion in 2023. They still made a ton of money.

What happened is Russia shorted and made dividend contracts on O&G in 2021 and 2022 and made a ton of money, record profits. The issue is they planned for a short war and as everyone knows it now has become a drawn out conflict with added sanctions. Couple that with Ukraine's attach on the refineries and things are changing.

But Russia being Russia they are likely looking for another way to make up for the money. I would be working with China to get the USA into another conflict to spread us out so they can push through Ukraine. As we saw the decreased weapon flow to Ukraine hurt them badly, without that flow there is little to stop Russia

If America is forced to really spin up the MIC to a full wartime footing then that could actually backfire on Russia as well. We're fully capable of supplying a pacific naval front concurrent with supplying Ukraine if we call full speed ahead. It would actually work to solidify bipartisan and presidential support, IMO. You want to keep Russia busy in Ukraine and unable to assist/engage in Asia in any way.

I don't in any way want that to happen, mind you. I never want there to be a reason for US servicemen to be put in harm's way. But we've seen in the past that the last thing you want to do is give the US a reason to say "eff it" and set our jaw.

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Americans are so short sighted, they made $126 billion in 2022 and $91.5 billion in 2023. They still made a ton of money.

What happened is Russia shorted and made dividend contracts on O&G in 2021 and 2022 and made a ton of money, record profits. The issue is they planned for a short war and as everyone knows it now has become a drawn out conflict with added sanctions. Couple that with Ukraine's attach on the refineries and things are changing.

But Russia being Russia they are likely looking for another way to make up for the money. I would be working with China to get the USA into another conflict to spread us out so they can push through Ukraine. As we saw the decreased weapon flow to Ukraine hurt them badly, without that flow there is little to stop Russia

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As the article points out, the $91.5B it generated in 2023 was $6.8B short of being profitable. It didn't make $91.5B, it actually lost $6.8B after expenses.

"In 2023, the company's contribution to state coffers through customs and excise duties was slashed by four-fifths, and like many money-losing firms, it is due a tax refund from the Russian treasury."

Looks like Putin and Kim didn't think thru South Korea's possible reaction to their new alliance. The law of unintended consequences is in full play.

"After all, access to South Korea's burgeoning defense industry would be a huge deal for Ukraine, offering advanced equipment, and in significant quantities, opening up one of the last major untapped resources of arms for the war-torn country."

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The peojos are probably decent but it's the powders abd the fuzes that are unreliable after decades of storage or poorly controlled manufacturing process. Crappy artillery ammo will have a very high dud rate, short rounds, and from time to time an in-bore explosion. Russian traditions of ope-air and on the ground ammo dumps just makes the quality problems even worse.