They wouldn't waste the plane on purpose, but they might burn some pow bodies in the wreckage to claim they were killed. Can't 100% believe either side when there is propaganda value to be had.
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No idea if this is credible, but very interesting on its face.
Third: The list of POW's that russia said was on board. A large part of these people have already been exchanged! (Marked in red) pic.twitter.com/NQ4ykZ8HQD
— Sofia Ukraini (@SlavaUk30722777) January 24, 2024
That would be very Russia-like.74OA said:
No idea if this is credible, but very interesting on its face.Third: The list of POW's that russia said was on board. A large part of these people have already been exchanged! (Marked in red) pic.twitter.com/NQ4ykZ8HQD
— Sofia Ukraini (@SlavaUk30722777) January 24, 2024
Theory: orcs shot down their own in a friendly fire event. Ukes can see it go down so they claim that they did it for propaganda purposes. orcs decide to respond with the Ukranian POW slant for their own propaganda. Ukes retract their claims to try to manage the negative press, so now it's a muddled up he said she said mess where everybody is blaming the other.
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
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agent-maroon said:
Theory: orcs shot down their own in a friendly fire event. Ukes can see it go down so they claim that they did it for propaganda purposes. orcs decide to respond with the Ukranian POW slant for their own propaganda. Ukes retract their claims to try to manage the negative press, so now it's a muddled up he said she said mess where everybody is blaming the other.
Thoughts?
Sounds about right
Also, apparently the Russians tried to reassure their air crews that the sea of azov was safe and that the A-50 that was shot down was just friendly fire. I'd be ****ting bricks if I were them because it seems like no airspace is safe.
With US aid still being delayed, what tactical/strategic adaptations should Ukraine make to ensure the battlefield doesn't tilt against them the rest of this year?
PlaneCrashGuy said:
With US aid still being delayed, what tactical/strategic adaptations should Ukraine make to ensure the battlefield doesn't tilt against them the rest of this year?
Not much different then they are now. Russia's only play is meat grinder assaults. They have zero logistical advantages and are unable to mount real offensives. The Ukes just need to focus on using what they have in a defensive position, which is far easier than being on the offensive.
One thing we have to remember is that prior to our large amounts of aid, Ukraine was able to resist the initial Russian invasion back when Russia had a much larger and stronger military. Without our help the Ukes won't be able to mount any offensives of their own, but with the aid they get from Europe and what they have they will be fine until we pass an aid package or the house goes Dem, which is likely now that Trump is on the ticket.
Basically, Ukraine's best defense is Russia being completely inept.
I bet if Ukraine shot down more planes now, it would make russia really second guess flying for a long while. But until Ukraine is willing to risk a patriot battery again, I imagine these bombings will continue to increase in frequency. They've increased a lot the past 2-3 days.
— Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) January 25, 2024
Quite possible the Russians are trying to bait them into exposing a battery
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-january-himars-missile-strike-reportedly-hit-gatheringQuote:
HIMARS missile strike reportedly hit gathering of Russian FPV drones operators
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/25-january-russian-court-sentenced-igor-strelkovgirkin-toQuote:
Russian court sentenced Igor Strelkov/Girkin to 4 years of penal colony
Seems the Ukes long range drones are having success deep in Russia. At least 1000k range and targeting oil and gas infrastructure.
This is the way! It's the head of the snake.
This is the way! It's the head of the snake.
and for the 1000th time "WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING"?Build It said:
Seems the Ukes long range drones are having success deep in Russia. At least 1000k range and targeting oil and gas infrastructure.
This is the way! It's the head of the snake.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/1/24/drones-strike-deep-in-russia-as-medvedev-threatens-ukraines-existence
I'm guessing the latest was over the Black Sea and not over Crimea. Amazing they can get that far into Russia.
I'm guessing the latest was over the Black Sea and not over Crimea. Amazing they can get that far into Russia.
or I wonder how many drones and infiltrators they are able to get inside Russia. I bet most of these are sabotage within the country and not coming from UkraineBuild It said:
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/1/24/drones-strike-deep-in-russia-as-medvedev-threatens-ukraines-existence
I'm guessing the latest was over the Black Sea and not over Crimea. Amazing they can get that far into Russia.
Too busy using their s-300 and s-400 for random area attacks on Ukrainian civilian infrastructure to worry about shooting down aerial threats.JFABNRGR said:and for the 1000th time "WHAT AIR DEFENSE DOING"?Build It said:
Seems the Ukes long range drones are having success deep in Russia. At least 1000k range and targeting oil and gas infrastructure.
This is the way! It's the head of the snake.
Ukraine's artillery ammunition shortage is evolving into a crisis and giving Russia a major advantage.
Today's SITREP.
Today's SITREP.
Dammit
Europe needs to pick up the pace on shell production while our idiot government can't figure out win-win-win situations, unfortunately.74OA said:
Ukraine's artillery ammunition shortage is evolving into a crisis and giving Russia a major advantage.
Today's SITREP.
Ukraine needs to be fed ammo.
US approves F16 sales to Turkey. Hungary is the last obstacle to Sweden joining NATO
Well, so far it looks like the pow list allegations f some already being exchanged seems to be a hoax, but also Russia has been able to produce zero evidence of more bodies than would be typical of a cargo flight crew.
I believe the projects that he halted the permits on are set for 2027 and beyond. Not sure it matters for the immediate war effort.samurai_science said:
Biden halting LNG exports should be good for Russia, and bad for Europe. Brilliant!
Bad timing and it hurts our allies in the war effort.
Am I missing something?
https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/28-january-russian-troops-have-captured-tabaivka-of-kharkivQuote:
Russian troops have captured Tabaivka of Kharkiv region
Village is probably blown to hell anyway.
Looking at Google Earth only see a couple of structures. mostly open terrain. Am I looking in wrong place.Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2024/28-january-russian-troops-have-captured-tabaivka-of-kharkivQuote:
Russian troops have captured Tabaivka of Kharkiv region
Village is probably blown to hell anyway.
Probably the right place if it's in the Kharkiv oblast.
Quote:
Russia's new kamikaze drone fell into hands of Ukrainian soldiers
There are some other tidbits afterwards about some of these modifications, but I don't want to post the whole article. Interesting stuff. Maybe some of our more technically knowledgeable posters might have some input.Quote:
Ukrainian soldiers have found an almost fully intact Shahed-136, a kamikaze-type drone that is used by the Russian military for conducting strikes on critical infrastructure and civilian targets.
This well-preserved drone was found in a field following the recent extensive Russian massive, combined air attack on Ukraine. Judging from the available images, it appears that the drone was brought down by an undisclosed electronic warfare system.
Of particular note is the unconventional black exterior of this kamikaze-style drone. This specific variant of the Shahed-136 has only recently been deployed in strikes against Ukraine. Ukrainian anti-aircraft units have repeatedly managed to successfully intercept these drones. Upon closer examination of the recovered drone's remnants, several modifications have been identified, encompassing changes in the drone's structural materials, navigation system, and warhead.
https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-recovers-intact-shahed-136-drone/?amp
Waffledynamics said:Quote:
Russia's new kamikaze drone fell into hands of Ukrainian soldiersThere are some other tidbits afterwards about some of these modifications, but I don't want to post the whole article. Interesting stuff. Maybe some of our more technically knowledgeable posters might have some input.Quote:
Ukrainian soldiers have found an almost fully intact Shahed-136, a kamikaze-type drone that is used by the Russian military for conducting strikes on critical infrastructure and civilian targets.
This well-preserved drone was found in a field following the recent extensive Russian massive, combined air attack on Ukraine. Judging from the available images, it appears that the drone was brought down by an undisclosed electronic warfare system.
Of particular note is the unconventional black exterior of this kamikaze-style drone. This specific variant of the Shahed-136 has only recently been deployed in strikes against Ukraine. Ukrainian anti-aircraft units have repeatedly managed to successfully intercept these drones. Upon closer examination of the recovered drone's remnants, several modifications have been identified, encompassing changes in the drone's structural materials, navigation system, and warhead.
https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-recovers-intact-shahed-136-drone/?amp
Given that these kits come from Iran, it would seem we can solve two problems by eliminating the production facilities as part of (but not nearly all of) a retributive strike on Iran for their killing of American servicemen yesterday.
Russia is license-producing them domestically.pagerman @ work said:Waffledynamics said:Quote:
Russia's new kamikaze drone fell into hands of Ukrainian soldiersThere are some other tidbits afterwards about some of these modifications, but I don't want to post the whole article. Interesting stuff. Maybe some of our more technically knowledgeable posters might have some input.Quote:
Ukrainian soldiers have found an almost fully intact Shahed-136, a kamikaze-type drone that is used by the Russian military for conducting strikes on critical infrastructure and civilian targets.
This well-preserved drone was found in a field following the recent extensive Russian massive, combined air attack on Ukraine. Judging from the available images, it appears that the drone was brought down by an undisclosed electronic warfare system.
Of particular note is the unconventional black exterior of this kamikaze-style drone. This specific variant of the Shahed-136 has only recently been deployed in strikes against Ukraine. Ukrainian anti-aircraft units have repeatedly managed to successfully intercept these drones. Upon closer examination of the recovered drone's remnants, several modifications have been identified, encompassing changes in the drone's structural materials, navigation system, and warhead.
https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-recovers-intact-shahed-136-drone/?amp
Given that these kits come from Iran, it would seem we can solve two problems by eliminating the production facilities as part of (but not nearly all of) a retributive strike on Iran for their killing of American servicemen yesterday.
They continue to ramp drone production, net, and the new stealthy drone is the real one to keep an eye on (it's only been tested/used once so far I believe in Ukraine)…
Good analysis on where things are at.
Greece to provide Ukraine with urgently needed SAM systems and missile reloads, and other updates.
Today's SITREP.
Today's SITREP.
Ukrainian used an old chainsaw chain wound on an explosive device (under reset) to increase the fragmentation effect. pic.twitter.com/cQ4dy3qSTl
— PS01 (@PStyle0ne1) January 28, 2024
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