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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

One-year later we talkin' spy balloons.

China takes out Taiwan and fat boy attacks South Korea, what is Biden to do?

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China takes out Taiwan and fat boy attacks South Korea, what is Biden to do?

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talk about how great the economy is?

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China takes out Taiwan and fat boy attacks South Korea, what is Biden to do?

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talk about how great the economy is?

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Or that the border is "secure".

I thought WW3 started with Iraq invading Kuwait?

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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Yes indeed, but germany was the power that worked the hardest to avoid the war, and the only major power that had not started any wars in the prior 30 years

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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Yes indeed, but germany was the power that worked the hardest to avoid the war, and the only major power that had not started any wars in the prior 30 years

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Wait a minute you are saying Russia started ww1 - Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Austria Hungary then invaded Serbia backed by Germany and then. Due to alliances, Russia got involved to defend Serbia. Germany then declared war on russia and then Germany attacked France which was a major ally of russia and then that action made Britain due to an alliance with Belgium go into the war. Germany went through Belgium to France.

If Austria Hungary didn't declare war on Serbia, Russia wouldn't have prepared for war. Austria Hungary only declared war on Serbia because they were backed by Germany. Russia preparing for war is inconsequential. Germany declaring war on Russia because they are preparing for war and then invading Belgium (Britain ally) and France Russian ally) is the reason they are blamed for starting the war. Russia didn't invade anyone nor did they declare war against anyone until after they were declared against first.

July 28, 1914
Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia.
August 1, 1914
Germany declares War on Russia.
August 3, 1914
Germany declares war on France.
August 4, 1914
Britain declares war on Germany.
August 6, 1914
Austria declares war on Russia.
August 23, 1914
Japan declares war on Germany.
August 25, 1914
Austria declares war on Japan.
April 6, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Germany.
December 7, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Austria-Hungary.

It is well documented that Germany started both ww1 and ww2

I seem to remember something along the lines of Russia needing way more time to mobilize than Germany, but once they did, they would be quite the formidable foe. I believe it was understood, at the time, that if Russia was mobilizing, they were going to war. The Germans just didn't want to give them any advantages, you know, like everyone gave Putin building up his army along the border of Ukraine. That and Germany knew it's best chance to win was to beat them all to the punch.

But, the gears were all set in motion as soon as Russia started mobilizing that Germany knew they had to act.

Why are we due?

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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Yes indeed, but germany was the power that worked the hardest to avoid the war, and the only major power that had not started any wars in the prior 30 years

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You can't be serious!

biden is gonna **** it up

Or take a tip from Trump, stand next to the head of China and badmouth our own intelligence services.

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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Yes indeed, but germany was the power that worked the hardest to avoid the war, and the only major power that had not started any wars in the prior 30 years

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Wait a minute you are saying Russia started ww1 - Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Austria Hungary then invaded Serbia backed by Germany and then. Due to alliances, Russia got involved to defend Serbia. Germany then declared war on russia and then Germany attacked France which was a major ally of russia and then that action made Britain due to an alliance with Belgium go into the war. Germany went through Belgium to France.

If Austria Hungary didn't declare war on Serbia, Russia wouldn't have prepared for war. Austria Hungary only declared war on Serbia because they were backed by Germany. Russia preparing for war is inconsequential. Germany declaring war on Russia because they are preparing for war and then invading Belgium (Britain ally) and France Russian ally) is the reason they are blamed for starting the war. Russia didn't invade anyone nor did they declare war against anyone until after they were declared against first.

July 28, 1914
Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia.
August 1, 1914
Germany declares War on Russia.
August 3, 1914
Germany declares war on France.
August 4, 1914
Britain declares war on Germany.
August 6, 1914
Austria declares war on Russia.
August 23, 1914
Japan declares war on Germany.
August 25, 1914
Austria declares war on Japan.
April 6, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Germany.
December 7, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Austria-Hungary.

It is well documented that Germany started both ww1 and ww2

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I dont necessarily dispute the technical details of that timeline, and certainly ah kicked it off by declaring on serbia. My point is germany worked harder than anyone to avoid the ww1 and tried to quell the mobilizations, most particularly russian mobilization. Germany wanted the war the least and didnt think it could win. Germany's problem in both wars was that its ONLY chance to win was to seize the initiative and try to knock one front out before the other fully mobilized against it, thus the schlieffen plan, etc. once russia refused to call off its general mobilization, germany had no choice. Ww1 was set up by factors much more in the control of england and the other powers, germany simply should not take the blame there and frankly were not 'the relative bad guys' in that war in any traditional sense.

In hindsight ww1 was the worst thing to ever happen to the world, damned shame.

Ww2 is another matter and germans were certainly 'bad guys' there, but it is also myopic to say germany started ww2…unless you take the world in a vaccuum and arbitrarily call ww2 as starting at poland's western border in 1939. That ignores all of the italian, Japanese, and soviet invasions of the late 30's, not to mention other military interventions all over the place. The leadup to war in the 30's was a massive, world wide shakeup, and we only view it the way we do focussed on germany-poland and japan-pearl because our greatest generation shed a lot of blood fighting the nazi's and japanese, and holding our noses and looking away from uncle joe. The soviets were nastier, invaded more countries, and were more dangerous than germany before, during, and after ww2.

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whoop1995 said:

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whoop1995 said:

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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Yes indeed, but germany was the power that worked the hardest to avoid the war, and the only major power that had not started any wars in the prior 30 years

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Wait a minute you are saying Russia started ww1 - Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Austria Hungary then invaded Serbia backed by Germany and then. Due to alliances, Russia got involved to defend Serbia. Germany then declared war on russia and then Germany attacked France which was a major ally of russia and then that action made Britain due to an alliance with Belgium go into the war. Germany went through Belgium to France.

If Austria Hungary didn't declare war on Serbia, Russia wouldn't have prepared for war. Austria Hungary only declared war on Serbia because they were backed by Germany. Russia preparing for war is inconsequential. Germany declaring war on Russia because they are preparing for war and then invading Belgium (Britain ally) and France Russian ally) is the reason they are blamed for starting the war. Russia didn't invade anyone nor did they declare war against anyone until after they were declared against first.

July 28, 1914
Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia.
August 1, 1914
Germany declares War on Russia.
August 3, 1914
Germany declares war on France.
August 4, 1914
Britain declares war on Germany.
August 6, 1914
Austria declares war on Russia.
August 23, 1914
Japan declares war on Germany.
August 25, 1914
Austria declares war on Japan.
April 6, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Germany.
December 7, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Austria-Hungary.

It is well documented that Germany started both ww1 and ww2

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I dont necessarily dispute the technical details of that timeline, and certainly ah kicked it off by declaring on serbia. My point is germany worked harder than anyone to avoid the ww1 and tried to quell the mobilizations, most particularly russian mobilization. Germany wanted the war the least and didnt think it could win. Germany's problem in both wars was that its ONLY chance to win was to seize the initiative and try to knock one front out before the other fully mobilized against it, thus the schlieffen plan, etc. once russia refused to call off its general mobilization, germany had no choice. Ww1 was set up by factors much more in the control of england and the other powers, germany simply should not take the blame there and frankly were not 'the relative bad guys' in that war in any traditional sense.

In hindsight ww1 was the worst thing to ever happen to the world, damned shame.

Ww2 is another matter and germans were certainly 'bad guys' there, but it is also myopic to say germany started ww2…unless you take the world in a vaccuum and arbitrarily call ww2 as starting at poland's western border in 1939. That ignores all of the italian, Japanese, and soviet invasions of the late 30's, not to mention other military interventions all over the place. The leadup to war in the 30's was a massive, world wide shakeup, and we only view it the way we do focussed on germany-poland and japan-pearl because our greatest generation shed a lot of blood fighting the nazi's and japanese, and holding our noses and looking away from uncle joe. The soviets were nastier, invaded more countries, and were more dangerous than germany before, during, and after ww2.

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If you could read this link below it will help

https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/last-ditch-effort-prevent-war

it is the exchange of letters between tzar Nicholas and Kaiser Wilhelm. Clearly states that tzar Nicholas was trying to prevent the war - yes he was building up troops because his ally was invaded - the Kaiser was trying to prevent war as well but endorsing and backing the invasion of AH (German ally) into Serbia (Russia ally). AH asked For germanies approval to invade Serbia.

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/germanys_blank_cheque_to_austria-hungary

Austria Hungary wanted to weaken Russian interests in the Balkans and needed Germany's help to stabilize the region once Serbia was out of play.

The Kaiser was also building up troops as well and then declared war on Russia and invaded France through Belgium which got England involved.

The Kaiser went on the offensive by being defensive in the letters in my opinion and lashed out on the world. Russia wouldn't have mobilized if their ally wasn't invaded and AH wouldn't have invaded if they weren't backed by Germany the entire time.

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LMCane said:

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When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

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Are you blaming Russia for starting WWI

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Wait, you dont get that england and russia are by far the most culpable parties starting ww1?

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England Russia Germany leaders were all cousins in ww1

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Yes indeed, but germany was the power that worked the hardest to avoid the war, and the only major power that had not started any wars in the prior 30 years

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Wait a minute you are saying Russia started ww1 - Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Austria Hungary then invaded Serbia backed by Germany and then. Due to alliances, Russia got involved to defend Serbia. Germany then declared war on russia and then Germany attacked France which was a major ally of russia and then that action made Britain due to an alliance with Belgium go into the war. Germany went through Belgium to France.

If Austria Hungary didn't declare war on Serbia, Russia wouldn't have prepared for war. Austria Hungary only declared war on Serbia because they were backed by Germany. Russia preparing for war is inconsequential. Germany declaring war on Russia because they are preparing for war and then invading Belgium (Britain ally) and France Russian ally) is the reason they are blamed for starting the war. Russia didn't invade anyone nor did they declare war against anyone until after they were declared against first.

July 28, 1914
Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia.
August 1, 1914
Germany declares War on Russia.
August 3, 1914
Germany declares war on France.
August 4, 1914
Britain declares war on Germany.
August 6, 1914
Austria declares war on Russia.
August 23, 1914
Japan declares war on Germany.
August 25, 1914
Austria declares war on Japan.
April 6, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Germany.
December 7, 1917
The U.S. declares war on Austria-Hungary.

It is well documented that Germany started both ww1 and ww2

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I dont necessarily dispute the technical details of that timeline, and certainly ah kicked it off by declaring on serbia. My point is germany worked harder than anyone to avoid the ww1 and tried to quell the mobilizations, most particularly russian mobilization. Germany wanted the war the least and didnt think it could win. Germany's problem in both wars was that its ONLY chance to win was to seize the initiative and try to knock one front out before the other fully mobilized against it, thus the schlieffen plan, etc. once russia refused to call off its general mobilization, germany had no choice. Ww1 was set up by factors much more in the control of england and the other powers, germany simply should not take the blame there and frankly were not 'the relative bad guys' in that war in any traditional sense.

In hindsight ww1 was the worst thing to ever happen to the world, damned shame.

Ww2 is another matter and germans were certainly 'bad guys' there, but it is also myopic to say germany started ww2…unless you take the world in a vaccuum and arbitrarily call ww2 as starting at poland's western border in 1939. That ignores all of the italian, Japanese, and soviet invasions of the late 30's, not to mention other military interventions all over the place. The leadup to war in the 30's was a massive, world wide shakeup, and we only view it the way we do focussed on germany-poland and japan-pearl because our greatest generation shed a lot of blood fighting the nazi's and japanese, and holding our noses and looking away from uncle joe. The soviets were nastier, invaded more countries, and were more dangerous than germany before, during, and after ww2.

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If you could read this link below it will help

https://www.facinghistory.org/resource-library/last-ditch-effort-prevent-war

it is the exchange of letters between tzar Nicholas and Kaiser Wilhelm. Clearly states that tzar Nicholas was trying to prevent the war - yes he was building up troops because his ally was invaded - the Kaiser was trying to prevent war as well but endorsing and backing the invasion of AH (German ally) into Serbia (Russia ally). AH asked For germanies approval to invade Serbia.

https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/germanys_blank_cheque_to_austria-hungary

Austria Hungary wanted to weaken Russian interests in the Balkans and needed Germany's help to stabilize the region once Serbia was out of play.

The Kaiser was also building up troops as well and then declared war on Russia and invaded France through Belgium which got England involved.

The Kaiser went on the offensive by being defensive in the letters in my opinion and lashed out on the world. Russia wouldn't have mobilized if their ally wasn't invaded and AH wouldn't have invaded if they weren't backed by Germany the entire time.

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I'll read it. Thanks. Be back after.

God bless America no one has starred this bot post.

Richest man in the world and most well known philosopher of modern times discussing probability of nuclear exchange.

Great. Outstanding work people Carry on.

March 2023 ww3 update ... TDS still at all time high while warnings that global financial collapse 'imminent'

Focus has shifted to criticizing what Trump may have done to prevent WW3 ... if he had the opportunity.

Carry on.

I don't know if Ukraine is the ultimate trigger or not, but one small EMP enhanced nuke would erase every advantage we have over our enemies. If you believe Zeihan, Putin is committed to retaking the old buffer provinces at any cost, including NATO regions. We know they can't do it conventionally, so something will have to give.

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Nah

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An estimated 3,000 demonstrators in the Swiss capital, Bern, have come out against the exports of Swiss war materiel and economic sanctions in the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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They demanded a policy of strict Swiss neutrality.

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Swiss neutrality lasts a little more than 500 years.

Sounds like they had a good run.

20 March 2023 update

-Global financial system at tipping point; SVB and Credit Suisse implode; regional banks on deck
-conventional warfare rages on in eastern Europe; shows no sign of deescalating; US sends more $, more arms
-Protests and social unrest rage in France
-Continued escalation in South China Sea.

US MSM focused on imminent trump perp walk arising from 2006 payment to geriatric porn actress.

Carry on.

April 22, 2023 WW3 Update:

Multinational troop buildup in Sudan ongoing. Public has been assured that this has everything to do with evacuating embassies and NOT Sudan cozying up to Russia by authorizing a Russian Navy base on Red Sea. Ukraine getting systimatically worn down in spite of massive support from western nations. Money and weapons continue to pour in with little to show for it.

Meanwhile in the US, top news stories are:

-Trans people generally; no story is hotter than the plight of trans people; cans of Bud Light with trans Tik Toker causes ongoing outrage while trans people fight back through string of mass shootings.

-Twitter blue checkmarks; Hollywood and media glitterati obsessed over blue check icon on social media app; no issue is more pressing.

-Fentanyl and opioid overdoses still kill 500K a year; nobody cares.

-Destruction of Nordstream pipeline a non-story as the New York Times says 'perhaps we are better off not knowing the truth'

-Battle against Donald Trump continues; as 1990s rape case set for trial after state of NY makes special exception tolling statute of limitations.

-Outbreak of UFO talk, UFO sightings and UFO hearings as latest distraction and catalyst for social control ramps up.

-Nary a peep about Covid-19 as people pretend like it never happened; a smattering of talk of the 'next pandemic' occasionally litters the news cycle. No-one wants to broach the topic of the biggest failure of all time as media and politicians demand to regain credibility with the masses.

Carry on.

3 May 2023 update ...

Ukraine attacks Kremlin with a drone and Russia big mad.

Meanwhile in the US...

The string of bank failures rolls on; PacWest on deck.

Trans mania continues as US Navy uses active duty transvestites as recruiting tool; cross-dresser on a beer can dominates news and social media. All things trans is hot hot hot.

Trump still on trial for rape and criminal trial for business records violations.

Covid still in the news as CDC organizes superspreader event to help deal with covid.

Hunter Biden babymomma goes back to court to get an increase on Hunter's $20,000 a month child support.

Writers guild goes on strike to protest jobs being taken by Chat GPT.

Carry on.

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Brig Gen Jesse Morehouse at US Space Command, the arm of the military responsible for space operations, said Russian aggression and China's vision to become the dominant space power by mid-century, had left the US with "no choice" but to prepare for orbital skirmishes.

"The United States of America is ready to fight tonight in space if we have to," Morehouse told reporters in a briefing at the US embassy in London. "If someone was to threaten the United States of America, or any of our interests, including those of our allies and partners with whom we have treaties of mutual defence support, we are ready to fight tonight."

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-Memorial day 2023 update brings us... ... war in space.

-The Taliban attacks Iran with US weapons left behind in Afghanistan over water rights.

-Earlier in the week US Senator Lindsey Graham meets with Zelenskyy on Friday, noting the fact that "Russians are dying" in the war, adding that the U.S. support for Ukraine is the "best money we've ever spent."

-No discussion of deescalation; no sign of deescalation; all we hear about are calls for more money and more armaments.

-The past 15-months has brought no improvement in overall global stability. Things continue to get worse on almost every front.

Ukraine uses an unmanned drone to attack a Russian ship. We've never seen anything like this in the modern era. The video of this incident is wild. This may be unprecedented in the modern era.

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I say yes.

The US is not the US we all wish we were. America was not
made great again thanks to CMs, Big Tech, and election fraud.

US of old would be on the brink of nuclear war with China for starting Covid and Russia would have never considered invading Ukraine.

We are soft, corrupt, indebted, and divided. Our currency is weaker than ever and we have the worst President we have ever had.

Naturally, the beginning of the end happens just as the Ags get positioned to win a Natty.

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All the things Trump said about Biden at their debate have turned out true, even the laptop which Biden swore was Russian disinformation. When half of America voted for Biden it was the confirmation of the end of the US. The real end was actually the second time Obama was elected.

Definitely been a top 3 in terms of world wars over last 120 years.

-Serbians attack NATO troops in Kosovo.

-Turkey makes threats agains US and NATO.

Expansion of NATO was a mistake and is causing more problems than it prevented; that trend shows no sign of slowing down.

Happy memorial day.

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-Serbians attack NATO troops in Kosovo.

-Turkey makes threats agains US and NATO.

Expansion of NATO was a mistake and is causing more problems than it prevented; that trend shows no sign of slowing down.

Happy memorial day.

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And most of them injured were Italian. Not like Italians haven't started a few wars of their own.