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His weakness cant fix China's social and economic Achilles heals.

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You forget China doesn't think short term and it's people believe in sacrificing for the greater good.

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No. This is not the beginning of WW3. The hysteria is off the charts.

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If Putin raps on how close he brings his military to Poland, Hungary and the Baltic's. 70% of Putins Army is really close. Maybe he takes a few other small countries.

The more the NATO plays a weak hand the increased likely hood Putin will grab more…….but Ww3 is much more dependent if China moves on Taiwan.

I am not sure how anyone can look at the events of today and not be concerned.

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Putin doesn't have the military/infrastructure/wealth to win a world war. He knows that. He's definitely not going to try to invade a NATO country. It would be national suicide. If he does try to take more non-NATO territory, it will be incrementally. He'll take Ukraine and allow the dust to settle.

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….address the calculus if China becomes connected to Russia. You are right if the discussion is Russia alone ….WW3 is less likely. If it expands as a multi country effort then it all changes for the worst.

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His weakness cant fix China's social and economic Achilles heals.

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You forget China doesn't think short term and it's people believe in sacrificing for the greater good.

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China doesn't have a longterm, their society as constructed is doomed by the middle of this century. That's part of the point.

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I doubt it...but one historical fact that would lend to your proposition - the West is seriously unprepared.

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Happens every time.

WWI
WW2
Vietnam
Occupation of Iraq/Afghanistan

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If Putin gets the itchy finger and starts in on other border countries, maybe so.

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This makes absolutely no sense to me and lacks historical perspective.

here is the truth, Let's ask some questions.

How many times has Russia seen major attacks from the west in the last 300 years?
How many times has Russia ever aggressively launched an offensive against the west to take over?

Every offensive measure Russia has ever taken has been counter measure, meaning they were attacked first. And furthermore anything the do in regards to taking and hold territory has been to create a barrier between the ever aggressive west, especially the Germans.

NO WAY PUTIN IS GOING TO CARRY ANY OFFENSIVE MANUEVERS BEYOND THE UKRAINE< NOT FREAKING WAY. All Putin has asked for is guarantees the the Ukraine will not be made a NATO nation and I DON'T BLAME THEM ONE BIT. When the USSR sought to have a Cuban satelite nation on our border (Cuba) the US went nuts. Well that is what NATO and the west is doing (AGAIN) as they have done over and over again, Seeking to make draw them in to NATO, NOT HAPPENING> PERIOD.

PUTIN is not stupid. Ukraine has been a den of corruption for Soros, Biden and others for a LONG TIME> I will not grieve over a Russian take over in Ukraine. And Putin will stop right there. This is not the USSR. Putin is no fool, he does not want a war with Europe and there is frankly nothing to gain by engaging in it!

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Putin doesn't have the military/infrastructure/wealth to win a world war. He knows that. He's definitely not going to try to invade a NATO country. It would be national suicide. If he does try to take more non-NATO territory, it will be incrementally. He'll take Ukraine and allow the dust to settle.

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The problem here is we do not have many that have actually been out of their US comfort zones and have no first hand perspective of what is really going on in the world. So their perspective is crafted for them by the media and various other political positions.

Russia today is not the USSR, Putin is no fool. The US is not going to engage in armed conflict with Russia over the Ukraine. and there are many reasons for that, some of them are self centered.

What you say is mostly right, with one big exception. Puig is not scared of a war with anyone in Europe. He can mow down any military over there in short order if he chooses. The ONLY deterrent is the United States. Since we are more focused on being the most woke military in the world run by a bunch of incompetent people, and there are feckless leaders throughout this *administration there is no deterrent for for them.

But I tend to agree, that the United States needs to get back to energy independence and stop meddling in other countries affairs. This is simply a diversion tactic by Biden and Co.

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Puig is not scared of a war with anyone in Europe. He can mow down any military over there in short order if he chooses.

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I have to assume you meant Eastern Europe, otherwise this is just nonsense.

Even then though, Russia in its current state would be tested by Poland.

I don't think so. I'm of the opinion that an all out nuclear war is more likely than WWIII. Its really the only way Russia could be competitive.

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I think we have some distance before Ezekiel 38.

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Ahhh yea we do, at least in accordance with scripture.

More truth: Gog and Magog are mentioned (at least as far as nations or principalities) twice in the Bible. It might be a good idea to see what both references have to say.

Once in the famous Ezekiel chap 38,39 passages that many love to quote and then try to fit modern day Russia and other countries like Iran into it as a some sort of sign for the Lord's return.

I have a real problem with that, not because I don't believe the scripture and biblical prophecy is true, for anyone who knows me at all, knows that is not the case. I totally believe in biblical prophecy. Wrote a massive article called "As in the Days of Noah" (https://www.surefoundint.org/2021/11/25/as-in-the-days-of-noah-2/) delving deeply into this very subject.

The reason I have a problem with the Ez 38,39, as an end times perspective is pretty simple.

There is no way Ez 38,39 has any thing to do with this time. NO WAY. Why?

Well, first if you read about Gog and Magog in Ez 38 and 39 it mentions somethings that just flat cannot happen in todays world. Like the gathering up of weapons and the burning of them as fuel for an extended period of time:
Ezek 39:9-10

"Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears; and they will make fires with them for seven years. 10 They will not take wood from the field nor cut down any from the forests, because they will make fires with the weapons; and they will plunder those who plundered them, and pillage those who pillaged them," says the Lord God.
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There is absolutely nothing symbolic about this language. So my question is, if this today then how are they going to gather and burn as fuel weapons of modern warfare!?!?

They are not, because these chapters have nothing to do with today, at least according to scripture.

The only other mention of Gog and Magog is in Rev 20:7-10

Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.
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The Gog and Magog of Ez 38,39 arrive AFTER CHRIST HAS REIGNED ON EARTH FOR A THOUSAND YEARS, not before!

And we have not seen him return yet. We are seeing signs for that for sure, but it has nothing to do with Gog and Magog and Ez 38,39. At least according to Scripture.

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What you say is mostly right, with one big exception. Puig is not scared of a war with anyone in Europe. He can mow down any military over there in short order if he chooses.

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This is not true, ground warfare is not what it was back in WWII. If you think the Germans are defenseless and that NATO has no military capability you are naive. Putin knows this, and again there is no reason to go any further than the Ukraine, NONE NADA ZIP.

I could write up more but people just don't want to see things through a different lens.

One could make a case that WWIII was fought between 1945 - 1991.

We are in a cultural war a '5th generation' type of warfare at this time.

All of this choreographed in my opinion. Biden and the snakes need a massive attention turner 'a false flag' to divert the attention of the masses from the absolute failure of everything they have done. The Covid lie is being 'unmasked' (literally) more and more.

Look at this, massive stock downturns, crypto crashes over this? PLEASE!

The new battlefields are going to be bioweapons (like covid) and cyber attacks (like we're about to see)

In that context maybe we are

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Not sure we'll see war like WW1 or WW2, but there is undoubtedly a shift in world power going on.

China has grown quite formidable, beginning to challenge the US in ways we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Though it's worth noting that their population age demographics are a huge economic time bomb waiting to happen.

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This is why China believes it must act now and integrate new land and populations into "China".

If they fail to do so soon then the population collapse will be catasttophic and they have no other way to avoid it.

China knows this and is simply waiting for the most opportune time to strike.

Gee....i wonder when that might be

More likely it is the start. China and Iran are now emboldened. Biden put military aircraft in play. Even if in a support role if Russia shoots one down and US servicemen are killed Biden will have to act. Even he doesn't want to look that weak.

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I'm no historian, but we are due and it feels like things have aligned in a way that could lead to China, Russia and Iran teaming up against the West.

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I'm given to understand that there are Biblical references Revelation (interpretation) of a union between Russia and Iran. But I don't find any interpretation that mentions the US of A. I'm wondering if the last election which endorsed/approved the homosexual lifestyle/ marriage as an acceptable family option and the murder of 60 million plus babies in the name of a woman's freedom to have sex with whomever wants it and wherever is convenient we are in the process of receiving God's judgment as did Israel and Judah. Don't believe in Him then go look in the mirror and explain the existence of what you see.

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I'm no historian, but we are due and it feels like things have aligned in a way that could lead to China, Russia and Iran teaming up against the West.

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No

Biden is too weak to stand up to anything that is coming down.

this is more like 1938 with the italians just conquering Ethiopia, the Japs conquering Manchukuo and invading China, and the Germans beating the Soviets in Spain

iranians will laugh at Biden's weakness and take his billions of dollars- and keep working on their nuclear bomb program.

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Unlikely. FJB going to rollover and let Putin do whatever he wants. Kamala ain't doing nothing either.

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What would you have them do right now?

Russia, China and Iran v the west? My money is on RCI, but ultimately I need to see how the payout is handicapped.

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Russia, China and Iran v the west? My money is on RCI, but ultimately I need to see how the payout is handicapped.

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What's Royal Caribbean got to do with this? Civilian navy?

Sri Lanka.

The Netherlands.

Shinzo Abe in Japan.

Boris Johnson.

Biden's got big problems.

Now problems in France with Macron.

Russia / Ukraine

Gas on Nord Stream cut (for maintenance of course).

Petrodollar

Taiwan

It's gettin' thick out there.

I don't want to go full general quarters on this.

But my finger is on the button.

China and Russia - two countries that historically don't really care for or trust each other - versus the rest of the world? Seriously, good luck with that. Besides, our submarine fleet - by itself - could send them both, along with the Iranians, Norks, and Cubans all to hell on any afternoon. I sleep tight knowing that if they get stupid, I won't be dead alone.

Yeah, I take comfort in that too.

SSBNs have done more to keep the peace than any other thing on the planet.

But on the other hand, **** look like it about to come unglued.

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Sri Lanka.

The Netherlands.

Shinzo Abe in Japan.

Boris Johnson.

Biden's got big problems.

Now problems in France with Macron.

Russia / Ukraine

Gas on Nord Stream cut (for maintenance of course).

Petrodollar

Taiwan

It's gettin' thick out there.

I don't want to go full general quarters on this.

But my finger is on the button.

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At present I do not see WW3. But, I could see possible collapse of a lot of things in the west such as energy, govt, supply chain and food supplies. If that does happen then lots of other things will definitely happen. WW3 could be one of those things.

Who would have thought that shutting down the entire worlds economy over a virus would cause all of this ? ? ? Well just about anyone with 3 months of experience in Logistics or Supply Chain Mgmt would have. They said so too. But, our so very smart Elite Class ignored them and shut it all down anyway.

They weren't ignored; it was shut down on purpose

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Sri Lanka.

The Netherlands.

Shinzo Abe in Japan.

Boris Johnson.

Biden's got big problems.

Now problems in France with Macron.

Russia / Ukraine

Gas on Nord Stream cut (for maintenance of course).

Petrodollar

Taiwan

It's gettin' thick out there.

I don't want to go full general quarters on this.

But my finger is on the button.

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At present I do not see WW3. But, I could see possible collapse of a lot of things in the west such as energy, govt, supply chain and food supplies. If that does happen then lots of other things will definitely happen. WW3 could be one of those things.

Who would have thought that shutting down the entire worlds economy over a virus would cause all of this ? ? ? Well just about anyone with 3 months of experience in Logistics or Supply Chain Mgmt would have. They said so too. But, our so very smart Elite Class ignored them and shut it all down anyway.

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We could have had leadership from the top and cheap or 0% loans to keep industrial orders open. Instead we got PPP.

Since Jan 1 of this year,overall global stability has deteriorated to the point that we can only guess at what things gonna look like In fall.

We been frog in the pot on this.

Week to week and teetering on edge.

Anything could pop off at any time and cascade us into a world of ****

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This makes absolutely no sense to me and lacks historical perspective.

here is the truth, Let's ask some questions.

How many times has Russia seen major attacks from the west in the last 300 years?
How many times has Russia ever aggressively launched an offensive against the west to take over?

Every offensive measure Russia has ever taken has been counter measure, meaning they were attacked first. And furthermore anything the do in regards to taking and hold territory has been to create a barrier between the ever aggressive west, especially the Germans.

NO WAY PUTIN IS GOING TO CARRY ANY OFFENSIVE MANUEVERS BEYOND THE UKRAINE< NOT FREAKING WAY. All Putin has asked for is guarantees the the Ukraine will not be made a NATO nation and I DON'T BLAME THEM ONE BIT. When the USSR sought to have a Cuban satelite nation on our border (Cuba) the US went nuts. Well that is what NATO and the west is doing (AGAIN) as they have done over and over again, Seeking to make draw them in to NATO, NOT HAPPENING> PERIOD.

PUTIN is not stupid. Ukraine has been a den of corruption for Soros, Biden and others for a LONG TIME> I will not grieve over a Russian take over in Ukraine. And Putin will stop right there. This is not the USSR. Putin is no fool, he does not want a war with Europe and there is frankly nothing to gain by engaging in it!

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seriously WTF

this is so wrong on so many levels. it's just not accurate history at all.

Russia LITERALLY just attacked the West in Ukraine.
Russia just attacked the western oriented country of Georgia back in 2008

it was RUSSIA that mobilized and invaded Prussia and Austria in August 1914 (they did have a rationale but still it was St. Petersburg's decision to back Serbia and square off against Germany) Germany was not invading Russia and would have preferred to just fight France on the Western Front.

pretty hard to claim that Russia did not invade Europe in 1944-45 when they rolled over Hungary, Bulgaria, Poland and then refused to withdraw back to agreed upon lines from the Yalta Conference with the West.

When Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia, Serbia's ally Russia started mobilizing for war.

Austria-Hungary's ally Germany demanded Russia stop preparing for war.

When Russia refused, Germany declared war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

Historians will look at this as the moment that kicked off WW3. First strike was a biological attack in September 2019.

Trump interfering in NK was a mistake. He was trying to do the right thing, but got out over his skis.

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Historians will look at this as the moment that kicked off WW3. First strike was a biological attack in September 2019.

Trump interfering in NK was a mistake. He was trying to do the right thing, but got out over his skis.

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It took you four months to come up with that response?

when economies collapse war follows. two options declare bankruptcy or take someone else stuff.

Do what?