ErnestEndeavor said:

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This girl is yet another victim of Bill Gothard fundamentalism.

I'll repeat what I put on the GB thread on this. I am angry.

Their faith doesn't seem to prevent them from molesting kids. Their church tells them they have to confess sin and they do...but everything is handled in-house, police aren't contacted, and victims are told they are sinning if they don't forgive the offender.

Women in that church are subjugated by design. There's a reason Josh's wife still refuses to divorce him. She's been told repeatedly her entire life that divorce is an abomination and she is to be led by the man even if he gets sentenced to 11 years for possessing horrific videos of children. She believes it's her godly duty to be the good little subjective wife and she would be shunned from her church community if she ever left him.

You also have a situation where the parents, even if the dad wasn't a complete POS which he is, they don't have time to actually spend time with their own kids. The kids are raising the other kids.

I have a lot more thoughts but I don't really want to write 50,000 words. I want the dad to be in prison and I want the rest of the kids to leave that church. Some of them have and seem to be well functioning adults.

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They need some indictments for the church administration, then. Priests and Pastors are still legally considered mandatory reporters.

edit: It appears that Utah passed a law in ( HB432 )2024 to make Priests and Pastors mandatory reporters where that wasn't the case prior to that. That was fallout from the first Duggar kid's trial.

I guess you cant charge them retroactively for it, though. For shame.

Their parents should hang. He should too, not excusing him, but his dad and clown car vagina mom should swing from a rope until the tree falls over.

Monsters.

What I found looking up that bill is that they have the option to report without fear of liability, not that they are mandatory reporters.

Wow, you are right. I posted based on the AI summary, which the actual bill is certainly not the case; thanks AI, 100% wrong again.

here are the two amendments:

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(4) (a)When a member of the clergy receives information about abuse or neglect from
any source other than confession of the perpetrator, the member of the clergy is
required to report the information even if the member of the clergy also received
information about the abuse or neglect from the confession of the perpetrator.

(b) When a member of the clergy reasonably believes that a child is the subject of
ongoing abuse or neglect, the member of the clergy may report the information even
if the perpetrator made a confession to the member of the clergy regarding the abuse
or neglect.

(b) (c) Exemption of the reporting requirement for an individual described in
Subsection (3) does not exempt the individual from any other efforts required by law
to prevent further abuse or neglect by the perpetrator.

(d) A report by a member of the clergy under Subsection (4) is not intended to have any
effect on the application of a privilege outlined in the Utah Rules of Evidence.
(5)The physician-patient privilege does not:

(a)excuse an individual who is licensed under Title 58, Chapter 67, Utah Medical
Practice Act, or Title 58, Chapter 68, Utah Osteopathic Medical Practice Act, from
reporting under this section; or
(b)constitute grounds for excluding evidence regarding the child's injuries, or the cause
of the child's injuries, in a judicial or administrative proceeding resulting from a
report under this section.

Section 2. Effective date.
This bill takes effect on May 1, 2024.

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BadMoonRisin said:

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Wow, you are right. I posted based on the AI summary, which the actual bill is certainly not the case; thanks AI, 100% wrong again.

here are the two amendments:

Quote:

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(4) (a)When a member of the clergy receives information about abuse or neglect from
any source other than confession of the perpetrator, the member of the clergy is
required to report the information even if the member of the clergy also received
information about the abuse or neglect from the confession of the perpetrator.

(b) When a member of the clergy reasonably believes that a child is the subject of
ongoing abuse or neglect, the member of the clergy may report the information even
if the perpetrator made a confession to the member of the clergy regarding the abuse
or neglect.

(b) (c) Exemption of the reporting requirement for an individual described in
Subsection (3) does not exempt the individual from any other efforts required by law
to prevent further abuse or neglect by the perpetrator.

(d) A report by a member of the clergy under Subsection (4) is not intended to have any
effect on the application of a privilege outlined in the Utah Rules of Evidence.
(5)The physician-patient privilege does not:

(a)excuse an individual who is licensed under Title 58, Chapter 67, Utah Medical
Practice Act, or Title 58, Chapter 68, Utah Osteopathic Medical Practice Act, from
reporting under this section; or
(b)constitute grounds for excluding evidence regarding the child's injuries, or the cause
of the child's injuries, in a judicial or administrative proceeding resulting from a
report under this section.

Section 2. Effective date.
This bill takes effect on May 1, 2024.

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Protecting pedos, because muh confession.

More like protecting pedo protectors because of muh confession.

All this bill really did was let them report and have no fear of retribution from confidentiality clauses and it's legal entanglements.

They still could just not report it and claim privilege, which is what they are almost forced to do by the church itself, anyway.

I'm somewhat torn on that issue. The Catholic faith considers confession, especially of mortal sins, to be necessary for salvation. They don't want people to stop going to confession. It's a very serious issue. The priest parishioner privilege is very important for that purpose. Priests will tell people like this to confess to other people and turn themselves into police. But the priest can't do it.

The Duggar's church operates differently though. A lot of these things are known throughout this church because of the practice of group discipline and most people who know about these issues do not have clergy privilege.

When Josh Duggar first confessed to church elders that he molested his sisters at least four adults, possibly up to six or more, knew. Only one was the pastor. His parents knew, the pastor and the pastor's wife knew, and at least one other couple likely knew.

During his CP case, Josh Duggar's attorneys tried (unsuccessfully) to bar the pastor's wife from testifying about Josh's prior confessions to molesting his sisters, claiming she had clergy privileges. The only problem with that is the church specifically bars from women being clergy. Oops. She testified. The jury heard it all.

And I haven't read this entire thread yet but I hope everyone is aware that the mother of these 20 kids or however many is forced to have them. She's been brainwashed to believe her husband can use her for sex whenever he wants and she can't say no. That's the teaching of the church.

She's so infantilized that when she wrote a letter to the Federal judge in Josh's case she signed her name with a heart over the letter I. She is perpetually mentally in junior high.

If I understand the charges correctly, he could be looking at 25 to life.

For child sex offenders, it should just be a bullet between the eyes.

Arkansas police at the Duggar family compound today.

Joseph's wife Kendra has now been arrested by Arkansas police for child endangerment and false imprisonment. Joseph facing new charges in Arkansas.

ErnestEndeavor said:

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Arkansas police at the Duggar family compound today.

Joseph's wife Kendra has now been arrested by Arkansas police for child endangerment and false imprisonment. Joseph facing new charges in Arkansas.

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Internet think it's her sister.

Good Grief! Joseph Duggar’s wife Kendra just turned herself into police. This is after he confessed to molesting a 9 yr old. His brother Josh Duggar is serving 12 years for child p, but also molested 4 of his sisters.

She is charged with four counts of endangering the welfare… pic.twitter.com/j0xm4AXZHt

— Melanie King (@realmelanieking) March 20, 2026

Josh Duggar, confessed child molester and convicted purveyor of illicit images of children, released a statement through his attorney professing his brother's innocence (how in the hell would he know?) and also maintaining his own. He's blaming everything on people targeting them for their fame.

The guy who, when the FBI showed up at his business, spontaneously asked without knowing why they were there "was someone looking at child pornography?" The guy who's Linux partition contained the illicit images and videos was secured using his bank password. Who at trial attempted to blame another guy who was three states away at the time the images were accessed at the business. That guy. He's innocent because they were targeting him for fame. They got his brother now too.

The doggone luck for this family. A bunch of innocent victims, all of them.