****Kyle Rittenhouse Trial-VERDICT WATCH-Day 2****

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9:47a, 11/17/21
Rekieta law makes a good point

The judge believes Kyle is probably innocent. That's my feel as well

The judge would prefer a jury decide the outcome and he believes a reasonable jury would find Kyle innocent

If this is the case, then the judge let's the jury do the work and wouldn't appear to be putting his opinion into it, regardless whether his dismissing of the case being entire proper.

If they come back hung or guilty, the judge can dismiss later on the grounds of prosecutorial misconduct
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:47a, 11/17/21
Guitarsoup said:


Binger's wife.
It's Jim Lahey from Trailer Park Boys!
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:47a, 11/17/21
Flapjack teets, 2/10 WNB
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In reply to JonBonQuiQui • 9:48a, 11/17/21
JonBonQuiQui said:
Guitarsoup said:


Binger's wife.
What in the fluff is that hairline?
Not something I noticed.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:48a, 11/17/21
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Binger's wife.


He plays for both teams?
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In reply to Proc92 • 9:48a, 11/17/21
Proc92 said:
You sure about that?


Pretty sure, yes. I don't think it was prejudicial to Rittenhouse, regardless. I think it actually helps set the scene of this random mob of people attacking him, that we don't even know this dude's name and the name we're using to refer to him is a violent act itself.
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9:49a, 11/17/21
Hawg,

If the jury comes back with a guilty verdict on one of the lesser counts, can the judge reduce sentencing to nothing - instead of overturning their verdict?

Really, can you walk through the scenario and possibilities that can happen once a verdict is returned?

The deeper the dive, the better!
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In reply to wbt5845 • 9:49a, 11/17/21
wbt5845 said:
Guitarsoup said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-b-5585056/

Binger graduated Michigan Law in 96 and 25 years later is just a lowly Kenosha County ADA?
FWIW - some people like that work. I have a family member who is an ADA in a large Texas county and she enjoys sending trash to prison for the rest of their lives.
A fantastic calling, for sure.

I would imagine that most people like that are interested in truth and justice.

Binger doesn't seem interested in either.
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9:50a, 11/17/21
He's a confirmed "bottom."
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:50a, 11/17/21
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aggiehawg said:
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Tailgate88 said:
Just read the Motion, and the copy they provided to the defense was 480x212 but the copy the state retained and did not share was 1920x844.
Can the judge dismiss the case at 9 if he wanted to or once the jury starts deliberating is that it for motions?
Judge can dismiss at any time, including after a jury verdict or hung jury.
How does criminal procedure work post trial in Wisconsin?

Can Schroeder call a mistrial between verdict and the court entering final judgement?

The criminal rules of procedure seem so circular, and I can't tease out what happens after the trial.
They are basically the same they just use different terminology. But the authority for the judge to take the case away from the jury is the same.
Thank you so much.

So he will typically write an opinion / analysis on why he takes the case away, right? I think if all of this malfeasance is condensed into one document, then it would provide the judge some additional cover.
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In reply to DTP02 • 9:51a, 11/17/21
I was under the impression that the state expressly denied to the court knowing of his identity during the trial. Can't you assume that the name was not included in state disclosures? Isn't that a problem?
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9:51a, 11/17/21
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9:52a, 11/17/21
Anyone here that would volunteer and have me point an AR15 at you with my finger on the trigger … let's do it in a courtroom so nobody is biased.
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In reply to Proc92 • 9:54a, 11/17/21
Proc92 said:
I was under the impression that the state expressly denied to the court knowing of his identity during the trial. Can't you assume that the name was not included in state disclosures? Isn't that a problem?
Yes.

The state knew. You can't convince me otherwise. His name was revealed just after closing arguments.... What a coincidence! They didn't want him revealed because it would mean either they have to call him in as a witness (where he'd further help destroy their case) or they'd leave him out, which looks extremely suspicious.
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In reply to AggieChemE09 • 9:54a, 11/17/21
AggieChemE09 said:
DA knew who "Jump Kick Man" was.

Jump Kick Man offered his testimony in exchange for full immunity of his long list of crimes.

Flufferboy(Binger) represented in the trial that the identity of Jump Kick Man was unknown, and withheld that knowledge from the Defense.
Lord ....... wouldn't that be yet another grounds for appeal or mistrial?
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In reply to BlackGoldAg2011 • 9:56a, 11/17/21
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BlackGoldAg2011 said:
Gosh, reading through that motion for mistrial with prejudice is very eye opening. particularly on the video quality of this lynch pin piece evidence. (caveat is i'm taking the defense at their word on some of these facts)

first just the resolution differences. 480x212 vs 1920x844. in perspective, this means that the copy the defense got was roughly the resolution of the iphone 1, and the prosecution version was roughly that of my 24" HD computer monitor. so prosecution had a nice video, and as discovery, they gave the defense a potato.

second, i asked many times during the trial about what the native video resolution was vs the tv resolution. now we have it. This means we now know for a fact that every time prosecution put the video on the 4k tv so "it looked better", there was massive up sampling occurring. That tv has built in software to handle that, and if i'm not mistaken, most 4k tv manufactures use some proprietary ML to do their up sampling to convert HD to 4K. The important part of this is that means that when they viewed that video full screen on that 4k tv, 4 out of every 5 pixels in that image were being generated by the TV and were not native to the video or picture file. and that is without any zooming in. and that process has none of the controls the crime lab photo team and software have.
did a bit more digging since that full res version of the video they used got posted on twitter. the section of the video thy zoom in on for their "hocus pocus out of focus" image is roughly 100x125 pixels in the native resolution. this means that if they showed that in "full screen" on the 4k tv (it would only be full screen in height, not width), only 5.8% of the pixels on that display are actually in the original image file. the other 94.2% of pixels were generated by some software program after the fact.

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had an error in my math. the corrected number is that 99.67% of the pixels are computer generated in the scenario of viewing that photo on full screen on the 4k tv. leaving only 0.335% of what is being viewed as being actual information contained in the original image file.

so sorry, my math was wrong so i had to edit it to show the correction. spoiler alert, it's worse for the prosecution not better.

continuing to toy with the numbers, that means of they only blew it up to 720p (which would show up as 1/3 the height of the 4k tv screen) there is still 97% computer generated pixels. so my follow up question would be, what is the resolution of the blown up image the crime lab produced? because i'm guessing when they put it on the screen it wasn't shown in its new "native" resolution
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:56a, 11/17/21
Guitarsoup said:
wbt5845 said:
Guitarsoup said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-b-5585056/

Binger graduated Michigan Law in 96 and 25 years later is just a lowly Kenosha County ADA?
FWIW - some people like that work. I have a family member who is an ADA in a large Texas county and she enjoys sending trash to prison for the rest of their lives.
A fantastic calling, for sure.

I would imagine that most people like that are interested in truth and justice.

Binger doesn't seem interested in either.
He's a politician. Crooked one at that.

Or a future CNN legal analyst, if the judge handles this misconduct appropriately after it's over.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:57a, 11/17/21
Guitarsoup said:
wbt5845 said:
Guitarsoup said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-b-5585056/

Binger graduated Michigan Law in 96 and 25 years later is just a lowly Kenosha County ADA?
FWIW - some people like that work. I have a family member who is an ADA in a large Texas county and she enjoys sending trash to prison for the rest of their lives.
A fantastic calling, for sure.

I would imagine that most people like that are interested in truth and justice.

Binger doesn't seem interested in either.
She readily admits it burns her when evidence comes forward that exonerates the accused - they want to win - but the rules are the rules. She says if the bad guy is really that bad, she' gonna have another shot at him real soon.
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:57a, 11/17/21
Guitarsoup said:
Judge isn't going to have the jury meet for a couple days and call a mistrial. He would have called it before he gave it to the jury.
Of course he would wait. If the jury comes back and acquits Rittenhouse, then no muddy appellate issues, no political issues, etc... Case is over and everybody goes home. The jury decided.

If the jury convicts Rittenhouse on anything, the judge could throw out the case. Instant appellate issues and political fallout but if he thinks it should be thrown out, he could do this.

The judge may want to throw the case out, but he'd be an idiot to do it before the jury verdict.
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In reply to BusterAg • 9:57a, 11/17/21
BusterAg said:
aggiehawg said:
BusterAg said:
aggiehawg said:
ShaggySLC said:
Tailgate88 said:
Just read the Motion, and the copy they provided to the defense was 480x212 but the copy the state retained and did not share was 1920x844.
Can the judge dismiss the case at 9 if he wanted to or once the jury starts deliberating is that it for motions?
Judge can dismiss at any time, including after a jury verdict or hung jury.
How does criminal procedure work post trial in Wisconsin?

Can Schroeder call a mistrial between verdict and the court entering final judgement?

The criminal rules of procedure seem so circular, and I can't tease out what happens after the trial.
They are basically the same they just use different terminology. But the authority for the judge to take the case away from the jury is the same.
Thank you so much.

So he will typically write an opinion / analysis on why he takes the case away, right? I think if all of this malfeasance is condensed into one document, then it would provide the judge some additional cover.


And sanctions. Sanctions would be a big part of the headlines, and change the narrative.
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In reply to OnlyForNow • 9:58a, 11/17/21
OnlyForNow said:
Hawg,

If the jury comes back with a guilty verdict on one of the lesser counts, can the judge reduce sentencing to nothing - instead of overturning their verdict?

Really, can you walk through the scenario and possibilities that can happen once a verdict is returned?

The deeper the dive, the better!
My understanding of Wisconsin law is that the jury has no say in sentencing, that is up to the judge.

So in theory, yes, the court could let the conviction stand but sentence him zero jail time, along with whatever fine is in the statute. But would that serve justice?

After all that has been revealed about the prosecution's malfeasance, I don't think the judge will do that to Kyle.

I think he would throw out the conviction due to prosecutorial misconduct and dare the state to appeal his order.
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In reply to Good Poster • 9:59a, 11/17/21
Good Poster said:
What possible justification is there for not having read the motion up until that point?
Too busy playing Jeopardy?
LOL OLD
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 9:59a, 11/17/21
Guitarsoup said:


Binger's wife beard.
FIFY
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10:00a, 11/17/21
So, the judge is reviewing the motion and holding the jury?

Any clue of how long this will be?
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In reply to Guitarsoup • 10:01a, 11/17/21
Guitarsoup said:
wbt5845 said:
Guitarsoup said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-b-5585056/

Binger graduated Michigan Law in 96 and 25 years later is just a lowly Kenosha County ADA?
FWIW - some people like that work. I have a family member who is an ADA in a large Texas county and she enjoys sending trash to prison for the rest of their lives.
A fantastic calling, for sure.

I would imagine that most people like that are interested in truth and justice.

Binger doesn't seem interested in either.
I know many who are well into 20+ years as an ADA. Remember, everyone except one elected official is an ADA in the county. In bigger counties there may be a "No. 2", and then the power rests with the felony chiefs.

Usually to get to felony chief, you have to be a believer and dedicated to the cause. One of my best friends is an 25-year ADA who saw his buddies move over to the defense before the Lykos bloodbath rather than change counties like him. They are driving Benzos and buying ranches. He does not care or want that. He wants to put scumbags in prison.
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10:03a, 11/17/21
So the court still hasn't convened or did it already go back to the jury?
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10:05a, 11/17/21
Yes it was reported the jury started right at 9
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10:06a, 11/17/21
The much "clearer" version video that the prosecution switched to always struck me strange and as being wrong.

How could there have been two versions and how did they play the wrong version?

Oh because they pulled one over on the court. They played the version that everyone in the court had initially, not their own version.

They gave the defense no ability to review and use the prosecutions own version if they desired to because they didn't have that until the end of the trial
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In reply to BlackGoldAg2011 • 10:06a, 11/17/21
BlackGoldAg2011 said:
BlackGoldAg2011 said:
BlackGoldAg2011 said:
Gosh, reading through that motion for mistrial with prejudice is very eye opening. particularly on the video quality of this lynch pin piece evidence. (caveat is i'm taking the defense at their word on some of these facts)

first just the resolution differences. 480x212 vs 1920x844. in perspective, this means that the copy the defense got was roughly the resolution of the iphone 1, and the prosecution version was roughly that of my 24" HD computer monitor. so prosecution had a nice video, and as discovery, they gave the defense a potato.

second, i asked many times during the trial about what the native video resolution was vs the tv resolution. now we have it. This means we now know for a fact that every time prosecution put the video on the 4k tv so "it looked better", there was massive up sampling occurring. That tv has built in software to handle that, and if i'm not mistaken, most 4k tv manufactures use some proprietary ML to do their up sampling to convert HD to 4K. The important part of this is that means that when they viewed that video full screen on that 4k tv, 4 out of every 5 pixels in that image were being generated by the TV and were not native to the video or picture file. and that is without any zooming in. and that process has none of the controls the crime lab photo team and software have.
did a bit more digging since that full res version of the video they used got posted on twitter. the section of the video thy zoom in on for their "hocus pocus out of focus" image is roughly 100x125 pixels in the native resolution. this means that if they showed that in "full screen" on the 4k tv (it would only be full screen in height, not width), only 5.8% of the pixels on that display are actually in the original image file. the other 94.2% of pixels were generated by some software program after the fact.

edit:
had an error in my math. the corrected number is that 99.67% of the pixels are computer generated in the scenario of viewing that photo on full screen on the 4k tv. leaving only 0.335% of what is being viewed as being actual information contained in the original image file.

so sorry, my math was wrong so i had to edit it to show the correction. spoiler alert, it's worse for the prosecution not better.

continuing to toy with the numbers, that means of they only blew it up to 720p (which would show up as 1/3 the height of the 4k tv screen) there is still 97% computer generated pixels. so my follow up question would be, what is the resolution of the blown up image the crime lab produced? because i'm guessing when they put it on the screen it wasn't shown in its new "native" resolution
The crucial part of this is ****THERE WOULD BE NO PROVOCATION INSTRUCTION WITHOUT THIS EVIDENCE BEING ADMITTED!!!***
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In reply to HtownAg92 • 10:07a, 11/17/21
HtownAg92 said:
Guitarsoup said:
wbt5845 said:
Guitarsoup said:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/thomas-b-5585056/

Binger graduated Michigan Law in 96 and 25 years later is just a lowly Kenosha County ADA?
FWIW - some people like that work. I have a family member who is an ADA in a large Texas county and she enjoys sending trash to prison for the rest of their lives.
A fantastic calling, for sure.

I would imagine that most people like that are interested in truth and justice.

Binger doesn't seem interested in either.
I know many who are well into 20+ years as an ADA. Remember, everyone except one elected official is an ADA in the county. In bigger counties there may be a "No. 2", and then the power rests with the felony chiefs.

Usually to get to felony chief, you have to be a believer and dedicated to the cause. One of my best friends is an 25-year ADA who saw his buddies move over to the defense before the Lykos bloodbath rather than change counties like him. They are driving Benzos and buying ranches. He does not care or want that. He wants to put scumbags in prison.
My cousin was one of those ADA's who went out the door and now works defense.
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10:07a, 11/17/21
Branca is on Rekieta
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In reply to aggiehawg • 10:07a, 11/17/21
If the jury comes back with a not guilty verdict, is there still a path for action to be taken against Binger and team for their actions/prosecutor malfeasance?
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10:08a, 11/17/21
If they have a new trial and that's a hung jury do they ever have a third?
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In reply to OaklandAg06 • 10:09a, 11/17/21
OaklandAg06 said:
If the jury comes back with a not guilty verdict, is there still a path for action to be taken against Binger and team for their actions/prosecutor malfeasance?
Rittenhouse can file a complaint with the BAR.
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