Player To Be Named Later said:

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Is there any world in which this jury may intentionally be going to declare they're a hung jury to save their asses from the mob their liberal echo chamber?

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Agthatbuilds said:

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DTP02 said:

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TAMUallen said:

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Fatlock basically admitting that his entire case rides on the video

Pulling a Binger too, just talking alot and hoping he can get his way

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In his closing he literally said that it's nowhere near the best argument or evidence they have.

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The judge has used crayons to tell the ada their case is a house of cards and that it just got heavier.

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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And taking the Ted Kennedy route on this doesn't solve the fundamental issue here. That drone video should have never been allowed in the first place. If the judge wants experts to testify, who would the state produce? Jack Armstrong again?

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Pretty sure the judge wants an expert to testify about the different file sizes and what happened during the file transfer, with the attorneys responding under oath.

I've been wrong on these things before, but that is what I heard from the discussion.

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Though not under oath, Krause is going to really regret he earlier statements.

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"I didn't say that."

"I was mistaken."

"I'm a moron."

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hbtheduce said:

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AG 2000' said:

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rgag12 said:

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Kashchei said:

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Corn Pop said:

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Passive judge and passive defense team is not a good combo against a slimy unethical prosecution team.

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Why isn't the defense up in arms over this??

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Don't know, but maybe they feel extremely confident on a not guilty verdict no matter what the prosecution does? If your confident the evidence shows self-defense from all angles it won't matter if the prosecution lied about what version of a video was made/sent or whatever?

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You don't roll the dice like that though as defense.

They had the judge on the brink of declaring a mistrial. You gotta shove him off the damn cliff. Not hope the jury that's been deliberating on this for a day and a half over a clear cut case of self defense does the right thing.

Especially given how wishy washy the judge has been, push him.

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I think you get fatlock and binger under oath on this issue, bring in the expert to destroy them, and then push for mistrial.

Got to think long term. You want flufferboy continuing his work in Kenosha? Welcome to lawfare.

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aggiehawg said:

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There is no fixing this trial at this point. We are talking about Kyle's fundamental constitutional rights here. He has been deprived of due process repeatedly

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Just saw this: If the metadata is amiss you must dismiss

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aggiehawg said:

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Did youtube pull down the Rekieta feed again?

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aggiehawg said:

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Did youtube pull down the Rekieta feed again?

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aggiehawg said:

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Did youtube pull down the Rekieta feed again?

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aggiehawg said:

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Did youtube pull down the Rekieta feed again?

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aggiehawg said:

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There is no fixing this trial at this point. We are talking about Kyle's fundamental constitutional rights here. He has been deprived of due process repeatedly

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aggiehawg said:

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Did youtube pull down the Rekieta feed again?

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AggieChemE09 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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There is no fixing this trial at this point. We are talking about Kyle's fundamental constitutional rights here. He has been deprived of due process repeatedly

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Do we have a running list of all the constitutional rights that have been violated or ignored? Seems like rights do not exist anymore.

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AggieChemE09 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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There is no fixing this trial at this point. We are talking about Kyle's fundamental constitutional rights here. He has been deprived of due process repeatedly

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Do we have a running list of all the constitutional rights that have been violated or ignored? Seems like rights do not exist anymore.

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aggiehawg said:

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Did youtube pull down the Rekieta feed again?

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aggiehawg said:

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Waffledynamics said:

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So will Krauss go under oath? Is an expert being brought in? What's happening?

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As in everything, Schroeder is waffling. might reopen evidence for expert testimony? Might let the jury see the video via USB in the jury room? Have no freakin' idea right now.

I'm not sure how Wisconsin law works on writs of superintending control but that is basically asking an appellate court to rein in the judge. Writ of mandamus for a suspension of jury deliberation.

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I dont think the jury has asked for the contested video yet which is why the judge is willing to let them see the other videos. He's basically hoping they don't ask for it.

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And taking the Ted Kennedy route on this doesn't solve the fundamental issue here. That drone video should have never been allowed in the first place. If the judge wants experts to testify, who would the state produce? Jack Armstrong again?

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TxLawDawg said:

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I've been in meetings for a while so just trying to catch up.

I'm a civil litigation and don't have any experience in criminal law, but these technical issues are addressed by attorneys ALL THE TIME in litigation of all types. And there are tons of technical solutions on the market to deal with them. Attorneys always have to deal with the transfer of large amounts of data in native format. Transferring discoverable material is rarely done via email for the very reasons and limitations discussed here. It's unconscionable to transfer the files via email and not in a manner than guarantees the sanctity of the file.

Also, most document storage products used by attorneys save multiple versions of the same file, saving each time a change is made. So it's not like a traditional windows file where you can't have two files with the same name. It just saves subsequent versions.

I don't see how this can be explained away.

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TxLawDawg said:

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I've been in meetings for a while so just trying to catch up.

I'm a civil litigation and don't have any experience in criminal law, but these technical issues are addressed by attorneys ALL THE TIME in litigation of all types. And there are tons of technical solutions on the market to deal with them. Attorneys always have to deal with the transfer of large amounts of data in native format. Transferring discoverable material is rarely done via email for the very reasons and limitations discussed here. It's unconscionable to transfer the files via email and not in a manner than guarantees the sanctity of the file.

Also, most document storage products used by attorneys save multiple versions of the same file, saving each time a change is made. So it's not like a traditional windows file where you can't have two files with the same name. It just saves subsequent versions.

I don't see how this can be explained away.

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AG 2000' said:

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hbtheduce said:

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AG 2000' said:

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rgag12 said:

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Kashchei said:

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Corn Pop said:

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Passive judge and passive defense team is not a good combo against a slimy unethical prosecution team.

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Why isn't the defense up in arms over this??

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Don't know, but maybe they feel extremely confident on a not guilty verdict no matter what the prosecution does? If your confident the evidence shows self-defense from all angles it won't matter if the prosecution lied about what version of a video was made/sent or whatever?

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You don't roll the dice like that though as defense.

They had the judge on the brink of declaring a mistrial. You gotta shove him off the damn cliff. Not hope the jury that's been deliberating on this for a day and a half over a clear cut case of self defense does the right thing.

Especially given how wishy washy the judge has been, push him.

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I think you get fatlock and binger under oath on this issue, bring in the expert to destroy them, and then push for mistrial.

Got to think long term. You want flufferboy continuing his work in Kenosha? Welcome to lawfare.

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I agree with you, I just don't think the defense team has the competency to play that level of chess.

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TxLawDawg said:

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I've been in meetings for a while so just trying to catch up.

I'm a civil litigation and don't have any experience in criminal law, but these technical issues are addressed by attorneys ALL THE TIME in litigation of all types. And there are tons of technical solutions on the market to deal with them. Attorneys always have to deal with the transfer of large amounts of data in native format. Transferring discoverable material is rarely done via email for the very reasons and limitations discussed here. It's unconscionable to transfer the files via email and not in a manner than guarantees the sanctity of the file.

Also, most document storage products used by attorneys save multiple versions of the same file, saving each time a change is made. So it's not like a traditional windows file where you can't have two files with the same name. It just saves subsequent versions.

I don't see how this can be explained away.

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AG 2000' said:

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TxLawDawg said:

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I've been in meetings for a while so just trying to catch up.

I'm a civil litigation and don't have any experience in criminal law, but these technical issues are addressed by attorneys ALL THE TIME in litigation of all types. And there are tons of technical solutions on the market to deal with them. Attorneys always have to deal with the transfer of large amounts of data in native format. Transferring discoverable material is rarely done via email for the very reasons and limitations discussed here. It's unconscionable to transfer the files via email and not in a manner than guarantees the sanctity of the file.

Also, most document storage products used by attorneys save multiple versions of the same file, saving each time a change is made. So it's not like a traditional windows file where you can't have two files with the same name. It just saves subsequent versions.

I don't see how this can be explained away.

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Krauss also admitted he was provided the video anonymously via his personal gmail and then shared to defense.

So Fatlock's chain of custody is *****

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Just saw this: If the metadata is amiss you must dismiss then your prosecutor is an unethical, low-life POS whose license should be suspended and whose recent convictions should be reviewed for similar misconduct

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Bondag said:

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If file sizes differ they need an expert to explain why they are different. The fact that didn't happen before they were introduced is pretty damning.

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