Gator92 said:

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Jury directions seem one sided favoring the state. Why no directions on self-defense?

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These are generalized instructions, not in written form. But he's mangled these so badly not sure the written ones will be much better.

State up for opening statements.

Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

Hit in head with skateboard, deceased had skateboard but was unarmed?

Why does antifa carry skateboards again?

aggiehawg said:

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Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

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yeah that's not good.

The people who came to Kenosha were "tourists"??? "Drawn like moths to a flame"????

Complete BS.

GarryowenAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

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yeah that's not good.

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Rosenbaum was shot four times?? Why haven't we heard about that before now?

aggiehawg said:

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Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

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Couldn't easily find the autopsy report but BuzzFeedNews has this from the criminal complaint linked within:

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Dr. Kelley of the Milwaukee Medical Examiner's Office conducted an autopsy on Joseph Rosenbaum. Dr. Kelley indicated that Rosenbaum had a gunshot wound to the right groin which fractured his pelvis, a gunshot wound to the back which perforated his right lung and liver, a gunshot wound to the left hand, a superficial gunshot wound to his lateral left thigh, and a graze gunshot wound to the right side of his forehead.

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GarryowenAg said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

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yeah that's not good.

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Not really

aggiehawg said:

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Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

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Will be interesting to see how it happened.

Shot in the back doesn't mean it's unwarranted. Guy was shot four times. How fast was he shot. Was the shot in the back first or last?

Not cut and dry.

On the original video, you could hear several shots as Rittenhouse was cornered by Rosenbaum. Sounds like most of them hit him.

Isn't it all on video? There was nothing like a guy running away and getting shot in the back.

aTmAg said:

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Isn't it all on video? There was nothing like a guy running away and getting shot in the back.

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I believe so. The video I saw was Rittenhouse retreating/running away with Rosenbaum chasing him like a nutjob hothead, throwing what later was shown to be a celophane bag towards him, getting him seemingly cornered between a building and I think a parked car and you hear some shots fired. During the chase across the parking lot, someone away from the chase fired a gun.

Yes. It is very clear that Rosenbaum was pursuing Rittenhouse and acting aggressively as he was shot, front first. I'm sure the prosecution will argue that the shot to the back killed him, was unnecessary, and not an act of self defense, but I think the video will easily show that Rittenhouse had no time to make any kind of assessment on how injured Rosenbaum was.

Prosecutor just stated that Rosenbaum was shot in the back as he fell forward toward Rittenhouse after being shot in his lower extremities.

As for the others, they attacked Rittenhouse while trying to supposedly disarm and detain him. That may be a little murkier territory because they were, in theory, acting as good Samaritans. However, Rittenhouse was very obviously moving towards police, they had no authority to do so, and they quite obviously came prepared for trouble as one of them was armed with a handgun.

I'm sure am Illinois prosecutor would call this a case of mutual combat and move on. IMO, that's the closest thing to it. Neither side is technically wrong here when it comes to the second and third shootings. There was just a misunderstanding. Rittenhouse was just a better shot and kept his **** together.

da just lied, Rittenhouse is on video on the phone( I assume calling for aide) and another individual pulls a shirt off

Agthatbuilds said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Rosenbaum was shot in the back?? News to me.

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Will be interesting to see how it happened.

Shot in the back doesn't mean it's unwarranted. Guy was shot four times. How fast was he shot. Was the shot in the back first or last?

Not cut and dry.

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Rittenhouse shot him first in the pelvis and thigh. State just said that Rosembaum fell forward and landed face down taking a round to the back that killed him.

Enviroag02 said:

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Prosecutor just stated that Rosenbaum was shot in the back as he fell forward toward Rittenhouse after being shot in his lower extremities.

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So he admits it's a case of a receiver getting hit a split second after he drops the ball. Not a late hit IMO.

I still don't understand the narrative of Kyle being in front, face to face with Rosenbaum, two shots to Rosenbaum's legs, Rosenbaum is falling face first towards Rittenhouse yet there is a penetrating shot to Rosenbaum's back from the same distance? They are still face to face?

Confused by Binger's description of how that took place.

Glad I'm not the only one confused by this sequence.

russaggie said:

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Kyle needs a Red Bull or something. He's making me sleepy watching him yawn over and over again.

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nerves

that's a terrible carving

I expect a significant difference between the use of video in this case vs the Chauvin trial. It that one they beat the horse dead to illicit a disgust response by the jury. In this situation the video makes you see members of a mob attacking a retreating Rittenhouse and makes you sympathetic to him. They'll lean on misdirecting language and out-of-context stills.

I'd love it if the defense simply stood up and agreed with almost everything the ADA said.

Chased by Rosenbaum, kicked at by unknown male, hit with skateboard by Huber, approached by Grosskreutz holding a gun in his hand.

pacecar02 said:

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da just lied, Rittenhouse is on video on the phone( I assume calling for aide) and another individual pulls a shirt off

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Lied about what?

You assume wrong - as the video you posted indicates, all evidence shows that he was calling his buddy.

The guy that pulled his shirt off and is helping Rosenbaum is McInnis.

said he didn't stop and attempt to render aide, He circled around the car and came back to Rosenbaum

If one of the first shots shattered his pelvis he is probably falling forward. A follow on shot can enter the back in a downward trajectory while there was no turning and running that occurred. It depends on where is entered and the angle it entered that I am hoping is to see demonstrated.

pacecar02 said:

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said he didn't stop and attempt to render aide

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He didn't. He viewed the body, called his buddy, and ran off.