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State calls Dominick Black to the witness stand

Worth keeping in mind that Black is facing his own criminal charges by prosecutors for the gun purchase for Kyle, so he's obviously under some degree of coercion--testify as the state likes here, maybe his own case is favorably resolved.

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Why is he allowed in this trial? That's a blatant conflict of interest.

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The straw purchase is a federal offense. And the ATF takes it serious.

Also, these days, most gun guys would have at least one AR. It's a great sporting/hunting rifle. With its interchangeable parts/barrels etc, it's a firearm version of Legos..

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Really? The ATF takes straw purchases seriously? You really think that?

Other than this case, how many federal charges have been brought under this statute in the past 5 years? I'll wait.

BadMoonRisin said:

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He's a staunch defender of pedophiles, rapists, child abusers, and drug addicts regardless of the facts.

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Oof

Im curious about this as well. I don't know if we have seen information about the entrance wounds and if they are all from the same weapon/caliber. Have wondered since this happened if the shot in the back came from the warning shot.

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aggiehawg said:

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Guys are throwing rocks at him, DA asked, "What did you do?" "Dodged them."

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LOL. Ouch, but the witness just testified that he has better decision making and trigger discipline while having rocks thrown at him than Kyle has having a cellophane bag thrown at.

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This take is disingenuous at best. Kyle was also shot at while being chased by someone who had just told him he would kill him.

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Disingenuous must be the board's newest word. Kyle was never shot at, the Zimenski (sp?) fellow was shown pointing up firing a warning shot, and not at Kyle.

Also, if in self-defense, doesn't a responsible gun owner at least try to identify the person shooting at them first and then defend against the offender? Or just fire at people nearest to them.

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Tell me you haven't watched the video without telling me you haven't watched the video.

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I have seen videos though maybe not any particular video that depicts someone showing firing AT Rittenhouse. The ones I have seen, a shot can be heard but I haven't seen one with anyone shooting at Kyle. I get the description from new sources [emphasis added]:

Kenosha News:

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A man who was earlier charged with firing a gun into the air just before Kyle Rittenhouse shot three people during protests in Kenosha was charged Tuesday with arson, alleged to have set a dumpster on fire.

Joshua Ziminski, 35, of Racine, was charged with arson of property other than a building, a felony, and disorderly conduct-use of a dangerous weapon. His wife Kelly Ziminski, 30, was charged in December with several misdemeanors for her actions at the same time.

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Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

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An hourlong analysis of different videos from that evening by Neil Kiernan, a Michigan-based blogger, posted Sept. 26, properly identified Ziminski and breaks down his presence near the gas station where Rittenhouse first fires his AR-15 rifle, killing Rosenbaum.

Ziminski and his wife are seen with Rosenbaum several times, including as they all confront Rittenhouse right before Rosenbaum starts chasing Rittenhouse into the car lot where their encounter turned fatal.

When Kenosha detectives interviewed Ziminski on Oct. 7, he said he had fired a "warning shot" and that gun he used, and is seen holding in various videos from that evening, has since been stolen.

According to the criminal complaint, videos show Ziminski pointing the gun up near the corner of 63rd St. and Sheridan Road, just a few yards from where Rosenbaum, 36, had chased Rittenhouse into an area of parked cars. As the shot is heard, Rittenhouse turns back toward Rosenbaum.

Witnesses say Rosenbaum then tried to grab the rifle from Rittenhouse, who then fired four times.

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It was very clear that the arrangement was that Black would hold the weapon, secured in his step-dad's gunsafes until Kyle turned 18. Neither Kyle nor even Black ever had the keys or the code to open those safes.

The only reason the safes were opened and guns staged around the Black household was because of the rioters and fear their home would be attacked. Dominick has several brothers living in that house. I presume they are also proficient with weapons since he said it was family "hobby." That's why Dominick wanted an AR to fool around with different attachments or "builds."

That's really not the same scenario as a true straw purchase. Under any other circumstances, doubt that would be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

This is the screen cap of the "warning shot" I've seen. He does appear to be shooting skyward-ish.



But "warning shot" is a much more charitable term than "reckless discharge of a firearm" I suppose.

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A warning shot. Horse ***** More like recklessly discharging a firearm. Kyle was disengaging from the threat. He was running from a man who had just vehemently yelled he was going to kill him. Then he hears a shot/s and turns to face the threat. It is not unwarranted at that point to defend yourself especially when the person is trying to take your rifle away from you.

This trial may play out where this young man is wrongfully convicted. But to white knight for the scum that died that night is disgusting.

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Ziminski is being charged with that exact charge, and agreeably so.

White knight? Please, when I have ever said anything favorable about him? I actually think Rosenbaum's murder is probably the nearest one to justifiable, but don't believe it's justifiable in this case.

Anyways, gotta go pick up the kiddo and can continue this later.

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• You're in a dangerous environment, but you repeatedly identify yourself as offering medic help.
• A crazy person identifies you as a target of potential mob violence.
• You yell "friendly, friendly" to make it clear you're there to help
• The crazy person chases you and throws something at you, still yelling to incite others.
• The crazy person corners you.
• You hear a loud gunshot
• The crazy person runs at you with violent intent

That is a self-defense situation.

I don't think Kyle should have been out there, but that is pure self-defense.

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I agree, and I think he should have been out there, and I wish more Americans had been doing what he was doing.

Whoever this witness is, it is taking a long time. Feed is cut. Not sure they even come back other than to recess for the evening.

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Whoever this witness is, it is taking a long time. Feed is cut. Not sure they even come back other than to recess for the evening.

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hmm ive had it going the 30 mins or so on this link

Thank you!!!!

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Tell me you haven't watched the video without telling me you haven't watched the video.

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He's a leftist. They're consistent.

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Under duress how is one to assume that individual was not an imminent threat to themselves?

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I mean, yeah, absolutely. Rosenbaum was clearly aggressive--and from the looks of the videos of him earlier that night, unhinged and looking for a fight--and trailing and in pursuit of Rittenhouse when Ziminski fired his weapon skyward while also trailing behind Rittenhouse. If I were Rittenhouse in that situation, yep, I'm believing that I'm now in an active gunfight and am looking to neutralize deadly threats. And that's even before Rosenbaum tries to snatch the rifle away. So I get it. That part seems reasonable.

What doesn't seem reasonable to me is being a minor in possession of a firearm, and going into an active riot zone in defense of some dude's used car lot. Eff all that noise. Why would you ever insert yourself in that mess? But regardless, being a dumbass and going into a riot doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself.

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I'll never understand why folks are so against an Americans defending their community and shooting rioting communist....

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Because they want all of us disarmed, so they can force what is best for all of us upon us. Democrats did that with slaves, too. They even formed the KKK as their enforcers.

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What doesn't seem reasonable to me is being a minor in possession of a firearm, and going into an active riot zone in defense of some dude's used car lot. Eff all that noise. Why would you ever insert yourself in that mess? But regardless, being a dumbass and going into a riot doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself.

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That's a bingo.

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What doesn't seem reasonable to me is being a minor in possession of a firearm, and going into an active riot zone in defense of some dude's used car lot. Eff all that noise. Why would you ever insert yourself in that mess? But regardless, being a dumbass and going into a riot doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself.

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"Dumbasses" stormed the beaches at Normandy. They ran up the stairs at the World Trade Center. I mean, why else would someone do that?

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What doesn't seem reasonable to me is being a minor in possession of a firearm, and going into an active riot zone in defense of some dude's used car lot. Eff all that noise. Why would you ever insert yourself in that mess? But regardless, being a dumbass and going into a riot doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself.

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"Dumbasses" stormed the beaches at Normandy. They ran up the stairs at the World Trade Center. I mean, why else would someone do that?

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BRO, no you didn't. LMAO

There are less than 2 seconds between the gunshot, Rosenbaum yelling "**** You!", and Rittenhouse turning around to Rosenbaum being 3 feet from him.

What is the point of this? Just reinforces what a chaotic scene it was that night?

While discussing the behavior of dumbasses, what about the child sex offender telling a peaceful man that is clearly armed to shoot him several times, then yelling, threatening to kill him, chasing, and throwing stuff at him?

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What doesn't seem reasonable to me is being a minor in possession of a firearm, and going into an active riot zone in defense of some dude's used car lot. Eff all that noise. Why would you ever insert yourself in that mess? But regardless, being a dumbass and going into a riot doesn't mean you forfeit your right to defend yourself.

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"Dumbasses" stormed the beaches at Normandy. They ran up the stairs at the World Trade Center. I mean, why else would someone do that?

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BRO, no you didn't. LMAO

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I am not saying what he did was heroic on that level, but he definitely put others before himself to protect his friends' property. Taking any of those risks defies human nature.

Yes, he would be the dumbest ass yet.