Jonathan Karl - ABC WH journalist is strumming up attention for his book. Excerpts popping up all over the place.

Let me preface I don't know all of his sources or first-hand knowledge so take it with a grain of salt. Whole book could be a lie, etc etc. Trump also invited him for an interview at MaraLago after he left office, which I'm sure he used for the book.

Karl this week also wrote a piece in The Atlantic (I know) Nov 9 2021 re: Johnny McEntee's involvement as an alleged center-piece leading up to the Jan 6 joint-session. Karl also wrote about Trump and Barr's fall out earlier this year, but that's another story. McEntee was a Fox News prod. assistant > Trump's luggage guy for 2016 campaign and into office > Fired from WH in 2018 > Trump Senior Campaign Advisor 2020 > Rejoined Trump WH in 2020 as defacto Head of Personnel per Karl.

Karl shares the text of text messages allegedly sent by McEntee to Pence's chief of staff on Jan 1, with a bunch of claims as to why Pence had constitutional power to overturn the election:

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McEntee sent the memo via text message on January 1 to Pence's chief of staff. Here it is, in its entirety:

• Jefferson Used His Position as VP to Win
• The Constitution sets precise requirements for the form in which the states are to submit their electoral votes.
• In 1801, the ballots of all states were in perfect conformity except Georgia's.
• Georgia's submission dramatically failed to conform to the requirements.
• VP Jefferson presided over the counting of the ballots even as he was one of the candidates.
• Had the defective ballots been rejected, Jefferson would have most likely lost the election.
• Senate tellers told Jefferson in a loud voice that there was a problem with the Georgia ballots.
• Rather than investigating, Jefferson ignored the problems and announced himself the winner.
• This proves that the VP has, at a minimum, a substantial discretion to address issues with the electoral process.

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I believe McEntee is/was in the group the Jan 6th committee subpoenaed.



But now as excerpts are coming out from Karl's book and he's running his mouth, his depictions of Pence on the 6th are quite interesting.

Supposedly Pence's VP Photographer was with him the entire day/night on Jan 6--which is not surprising of course.

But Karl has claimed in the book and on recent social media and talk shows that photos were taken of Pence (and his family) in a holding area underneath the Capitol shortly after being evacuated (I believe his team moved him out fast, relatively speaking). One such photo, Karl, claims, depicts Pence's Chief of Staff showing him his cell phone with Trump's just-tweeted:

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Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!

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I look forward to one day seeing the look on Pence's face in the photo as part of the National Archives. Some think he completely failed America. Some think he was always going to betray Trump. Others think he did the right thing.

Everyone thinks he's a beta male.

Retired FBI Agent said:

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McEntee sent the memo via text message on January 1 to Pence's chief of staff. Here it is, in its entirety:

• Jefferson Used His Position as VP to Win Georgia did not have enough electoral votes to change the outcome of the presidential election.
• The Constitution sets precise requirements for the form in which the states are to submit their electoral votes.
• In 1801, the ballots of all states were in perfect conformity except Georgia's.
• Georgia's submission dramatically failed to conform to the requirements.
• VP Jefferson presided over the counting of the ballots even as he was one of the candidates.
• Had the defective ballots been rejected, Jefferson would have most likely lost the election. Had Jefferson rejected the votes, the Federalists still would have lost by 6 electoral votes.
• Senate tellers told Jefferson in a loud voice that there was a problem with the Georgia ballots.
• Rather than investigating, Jefferson ignored the problems and announced himself the winner. No, the story is more interesting. Under the rules of the electoral system in place before the 1804 ratification of the 12th Amendment, each member of the Electoral College cast two votes, with no distinction made between electoral votes for president and electoral votes for vice president. Prior to the election, each party formed a plan by which one of their respective electors would vote for a third candidate or abstain so that its preferred presidential candidate (Adams for the Federalists and Jefferson for the Democratic-Republicans) would win one more vote than the party's other nominee and avoid an election in the House of Representatives, as mandated by the Constitution. The Democratic-Republicans plan failed and both Jefferson and Burr had the same number of votes. This led to a continuous election battle in the House of Representatives which was controlled by the Federalists. From February 11 to 17, the House cast a total of 35 ballots; each time eight state delegations voted for Jefferson, one short of the necessary majority of nine. The deadlock was broken on February 17, on the 36th ballot, when Hamilton convinced the delegates from Maryland and Vermont to change their votes from no selection to Jefferson.
• This proves that the VP has, at a minimum, a substantial discretion to address issues with the electoral process. It was a moot point to the Federalist and this constitutional problem was not litigated. The Federalist would likely have filed lawsuits for the Supreme Court to rule if Georgia's votes would have changed the outcome of the election.

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"I was disappointed in one thing, but it was a big thing. Mike should have sent those crooked votes back to the legislatures and you would have had a different result in the election, in my opinion.

"I think Mike has been very badly hurt by what took place in respect to January 6. I think he's been mortally wounded, frankly, because I see the reaction he's getting from people."

Poor Mike. Trump was really hoping he would have done what he said or delayed the vote (been scared off by a raging mob) on January 6.

You and the Sock Patroll create and perpetuate the worst threads.

Don't disagree with you generally, but there are still people that believe this Trump line that Pence should have "sent it back to the states". OP pushes it in multiple threads. Can't blame the liberal socks for this terrible thread.

Guess we can be thankful none of the TDS crowd (both varieties) have heard about the Jenna Ellis memo.

BMX Bandit said:

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Don't disagree with you generally, but there are still people that believe this Trump line that Pence should have "sent it back to the states". OP pushes it in multiple threads. Can't blame the liberal socks so this terrible thread.

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More important than some yahoos on a football forum, the de facto Republican party leader, former President Trump, believes it and is still pushing the narrative to this day.

I've been a trump fan. His repeated and continued emphasis on a stolen election, and made up procedural powers to Mike Pence really make me question a lot about him. It is embarrassing.

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Guess we can be thankful none of the TDS crowd (both varieties) have heard about the Jenna Ellis memo.

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Yes, Ellis made the 'two slates of electors' argument to the VP.

If you think that theory is crazy, what do you think about this text from a currently unknown lawmaker advocating for the President's Chief of Staff to have a go of it on November 4th, before the presidential election was over?

Don't think this one has fully sunk in yet: A member of Congress suggested that GOP-controlled states anoint Trump electors **before those states were even called.**

This wasn't overturning the election. This was scrapping democracy before the votes were even counted. pic.twitter.com/gzf89U52jD

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) December 15, 2021

Then you also have the texts that Jordan was sending to the President's Chief of Staff on January 5th which advanced the idea that the VP could reject electoral votes that he unilaterally deems were cast by "unconstitutionally appointed electors". How do you feel about that legal theory?

i have no problem with that text. if PA etc. legislature wanted to say the slate of electors was wrong, that is their prerogative.

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i have no problem with that text. if PA etc. legislature wanted to say the slate of electors was wrong, that is their prerogative.

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TBC, you are okay with a President and his staff lobbing states legislatures, usually controlled by their party, to submit alternative slates of electors contrary to the election results based on a categorical lie, that never comes close to being proven in a court of law?

If that is how the game will be played hence forth, won't the party that controls the House and VP get to pick the President?

if they belive the electors are fraudulent, then whats wrong with expressing that?

you think fraud should be okay?

and guess what? not a single legislature was swayed by any lobbying. the republic will survive Trump wanting something he didn't get.

The fraud being perpetuated, to this day, is the belief the electors, or the 2020 presidential election, were fraudulent.

Democracy in our republic dodged a bullet. This fraudulent idea perpetuated by Trump and his supporters is not dead yet. I suspect our republic will be tested by it again.

Jmiller said:

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The fraud being perpetuated, to this day, is the belief the electors, or the 2020 presidential election, were fraudulent.

Democracy in our republic dodged a bullet. This fraudulent idea perpetuated by Trump and his supporters is not dead yet. I suspect our republic will be tested by it again.

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No fraud???

LoudestWHOOP! said:

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Jmiller said:

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The fraud being perpetuated, to this day, is the belief the electors, or the 2020 presidential election, were fraudulent.

Democracy in our republic dodged a bullet. This fraudulent idea perpetuated by Trump and his supporters is not dead yet. I suspect our republic will be tested by it again.

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No fraud???

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Trump OWN election Security Czar correcting Trump's own fraud disinformation.

Another one in the administration that bit the dust by defending truth.

its FMP day

Jmiller said:

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LoudestWHOOP! said:

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Jmiller said:

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The fraud being perpetuated, to this day, is the belief the electors, or the 2020 presidential election, were fraudulent.

Democracy in our republic dodged a bullet. This fraudulent idea perpetuated by Trump and his supporters is not dead yet. I suspect our republic will be tested by it again.

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No fraud???

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Trump OWN election Security Czar correcting Trump's own fraud disinformation.

Another one in the administration that bit the dust by defending truth.

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You know how this works. That guy is just another RINO libtard. He wasn't before, but clearly, he is now.

FMP is a Beta Male.

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if they belive the electors are fraudulent, then whats wrong with expressing that?

you think fraud should be okay?

and guess what? not a single legislature was swayed by any lobbying. the republic will survive Trump wanting something he didn't get.

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It won't didn't survive the majority of Americans voting for something they didn't get.

OP sadly bumps his embarrassingly wrong thread.

bb is another cm supporting the deep state and the globalist system and an embarrassment to all ideas in american conservatism. Trump is our best hope, and cms like bb are our greatest adversaries, for defeating the entrenched elites that handed the election to fjb.

I support Trump and conservatives. Biden, who so far is worst president in history, is there because of massive voter fraud. None of that changes your original post is an enormous lie. I'm partly convinced you are a jmiller troll account created to make republicans look silly. he's doing a bang up job so far


sorry to expose your continued lies.

nobody is disputing the facts in my op but you. Trump Pence Quale and Brody not only have none of them disputed the reporting they confirmed it. Pence was spineless and failed to protect our Constitution by sending the fraudulent elections back to the states. none of that is a lie. it is all fact.

yes, its a fact Trump wanted him to do this. it also a fact nothing in the law permitted it.

please cite any law or case law that says Pence could send it back to the state;

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This is a complex and non-uniform state-based process, designedlike the U.S. Senate, which was originally composed of Members chosen by state legislatures, not the peopleto filter public opinion through a "deliberative" intermediate institution. But the Electoral College has produced recurring political controversy over the centuries and also experienced significant constitutional, legislative, and political upheaval and revision. Today few people would consider the Electoral College to be a "deliberative" body as it was once imagined because the Electors are appointed mechanistically to winners according to vote totals in the states. Although the Electors meet in their state capitals at a December date set by Congress to cast their ballots, in practice they simply follow the election returns and never conduct substantive discussion or debate about who should be president. Still, the Electors do possess the legal prerogative to vote as they wish, and under extraordinary circumstances they might exercise that prerogative to change the expected outcome dictated by popular election returns.

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wait first you said Im telling lies but now I just want what Trump wanted which you think is ignoring the law. pick a lane buddy.

and you say you support Trump.

you lied when you said Pence betrayed the country, lied when you said he failed to do his duty, lied when you called him a traitor, lied when you claimed he could send it back to the states, then lied about me because you could not defend your previous falsehoods.

well done jmiller. you got us.

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Still, the Electors do possess the legal prerogative to vote as they wish, and under extraordinary circumstances they might exercise that prerogative to change the expected outcome dictated by popular election returns.

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unfortunately, the days of true faithless electors are gone as states have set up laws to make sure only those they can trust get the elector spot.. and SCOTUS has ratified that legislatures can punish electors that are faithless.

But Pence did betray the country and he failed to do his duty and that makes him a traitor. that not only my belief, it is the belief of most republicans and Trump. ive defended and defeated your attempts to prove you baseless points. bb you can say you support Trump but you can not hold that view and the one you are using to lie about me

I 100% support Trump. I also support the constitution. Many of us without TDS do.

the idea most republicans think Pence is a traitor is laughable. Pence's duty was to follow the law. Sorry that offends you.

You've defeated nothing. Still waiting for that citation

bb if you and Pence support the constitution then you both would support sending known fraudulent results back to the states. that is the constitutional thing to do. that was Pences duty to the law and constitution. it is also what trump supported too. sorry that offends you.

Still no citation to law supporting you. Please show us what in constitution says he could "send to back to the states."

cite yourself and show me were he cant send it back.

damiond said:

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cite yourself and show me were he cant send it back.

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Troll confirmed. You got me.

So you think that if the constitution does not say the executive branch specifically cannot do something, That means I can do it. How leftist of you

This really was a masterful job by JMiller.

Post under a sock pretending to be a Trump supporter, and pushes a leftist fan fiction book "peril" from Bob Woodward and Robert Costa.


Bravo.

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cite yourself and show me were he cant send it back.

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The Constitution also doesn't say the feds cannot mandate a vaccine.

So you support Biden mandating it for all, since the Constitution doesn't say he can't?