Should be randomly MOAB'd if that starts happening. Need more of "do what Russia would do" than what has held to date.
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Just rewatched "12 Strong" to think back to the beginning. What a sad contrast this withdrawal is to how it all started. Text from the end of the movie:


Also, right towards the end, Dostum has a quote: "This is Afghanistan, graveyard of many empires. Today you are our friend tomorrow you are our enemy. Soon, America will become just another tribe here. You will be cowards if you leave, and you will be our enemy if you stay."

I realize it's a fictionalization version of the true events but damn if it doesn't hit different watching it in light of the last few weeks.

Great post. Thanks for the time you took to write this and God bless.

A friend of the family has been struggling since everything hit the fan. He's a veteran that was deployed to Afghanistan and has lost guys from his team both in combat and from suicide since coming home. He's battled PTSD for quite some time and recently got sober, was in a really good place mentally. Now he sits around watching footage from tv just getting upset that everything he was involved in fighting for has been thrown away. His long term girlfriend, who is best friends with my wife, is concerned and doesn't know if/when he can pull out of this hole he's in this time.

These actions, or lack thereof, have far-reaching consequences at home and abroad. If you know anyone that was deployed there, keep them in your thoughts, they're probably struggling with this news more than you know.

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Just rewatched "12 Strong" to think back to the beginning. What a sad contrast this withdrawal is to how it all started. Text from the end of the movie:


Also, right towards the end, Dostum has a quote: "This is Afghanistan, graveyard of many empires. Today you are our friend tomorrow you are our enemy. Soon, America will become just another tribe here. You will be cowards if you leave, and you will be our enemy if you stay."

I realize it's a fictionalization version of the true events but damn if it doesn't hit different watching it in light of the last few weeks.

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That ending is so true too. How is it not? Even the Reich probably never could have subdued them. The clue is the Mongol foray, as well as the British Empire in the 19th C (an actually meaner people than we).

The average IQ in A-stan is 84, below the world average. That's a large part of the problem. Mexico is 88.

They are tribal and "backwards" and always will be. But that's OK, imo. Let them live the way they want and stop trying to change them.

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A friend of the family has been struggling since everything hit the fan. He's a veteran that was deployed to Afghanistan and has lost guys from his team both in combat and from suicide since coming home. He's battled PTSD for quite some time and recently got sober, was in a really good place mentally. Now he sits around watching footage from tv just getting upset that everything he was involved in fighting for has been thrown away. His long term girlfriend, who is best friends with my wife, is concerned and doesn't know if/when he can pull out of this hole he's in this time.

These actions, or lack thereof, have far-reaching consequences at home and abroad. If you know anyone that was deployed there, keep them in your thoughts, they're probably struggling with this news more than you know.

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I have a cousin who was a Marine sniper over there.

When he got out, he locked himself in a room for a year to try and deal with his survivor's guilt. Thankfully, he stayed away from the booze and drugs, but his head wasn't right.

He finally got out of that space, got a nursing degree, a wife, and a young kiddo now. I can't imagine what he's going through at the moment. I need to find out.

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I have now directly responded to three other vets making the point to bring all terps to the US ASAP with minimal clearance.

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

And then the 15,000 Americans that are sheltering in place would then be what?
Hostages?
Dead meat?
Rape bait?

I respect this guy's view, from over 15 years ago. The people thinking we could 'reform' afghans into a modern society (and also think it's ok to fly refugees here) are just 100 percent wrong.

1/ Spec Forces veteran in Afghanistan Paul Avallone wrote IN 2003 why the delusive, morally bankrupt (& bankrupting) strategy of making Afghanistan Safe For Sharia concocted by See-No-Real-Islam COINdinista generals, bureaucrats, & politicians was doomed to catastrophic failure pic.twitter.com/EWSGN6UYjU

— Andrew Bostom, MD, MS (@andrewbostom) August 19, 2021

9/ "A teammate of mine summed it up perfectly when he noted that he 'would rather be a dog in America than
a woman in Afghanistan'”

— Andrew Bostom, MD, MS (@andrewbostom) August 19, 2021

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I have now directly responded to three other vets making the point to bring all terps to the US ASAP with minimal clearance.

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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Whatever data you think the DoD has on actual interpreters etc., isn't being used. They're just flying whoever gets to the airport out, and then offering them US, Canada, Europe or Australia. There is no vetting.

Told you there was no vetting pic.twitter.com/zilHB2aOWf

— Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) August 19, 2021

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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Whatever data you think the DoD has on actual interpreters etc., isn't being used. They're just flying whoever gets to the airport out, and then offering them US, Canada, Europe or Australia. There is no vetting.

Told you there was no vetting pic.twitter.com/zilHB2aOWf

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That does not negate my post that we have data. When I actually see them just randomly dumping them on the street then that may be something but them showing up in a refugee center for further processing to a final destination then buy into the claim nothing is being used but having done counter intel work for a good number of years in my past.....

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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But did that information make it out of the embassy to be easily accessible at the airport? That's the question here. Was the State Department taking care of business? Because the guys from DOD keep saying hell if they know about any of that.

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I have now directly responded to three other vets making the point to bring all terps to the US ASAP with minimal clearance.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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But did that information make it out of the embassy to be easily accessible at the airport? That's the question here. Was the State Department taking care of business? Because the guys from DOD keep saying hell if they know about any of that.

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That would have been at the bases with the screening cells and damn well should be maintained as it is classified information. We're screwed if Hillary was ever there

Russians couldn't win
We have been there for 20 years
$1 trillion dollars , and no end

And yes. I am republican and conservative! Cut our loses

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Russians couldn't win
We have been there for 20 years
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And yes. I am republican and conservative! Cut our loses

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I always hat the big numbers the throw out there....are we really going to gut the size of our force now that the soldiers are home?....no?.....so, we're still paying them. They still have to go out and train, still have maintenance on equip, still shoot rounds.......and yes, all less that being in a live theater but what was the incremental costs over those 20 yrs and what were we actually paying lately? Now I won't answer that even though I could if I pulled up the #s at work but it ain't gonna be no 50B/yr.

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I have now directly responded to three other vets making the point to bring all terps to the US ASAP with minimal clearance.

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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But did that information make it out of the embassy to be easily accessible at the airport? That's the question here. Was the State Department taking care of business? Because the guys from DOD keep saying hell if they know about any of that.

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That would have been at the bases with the screening cells and damn well should be maintained as it is classified information. We're screwed if Hillary was ever there

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The bases are gone. And until just this week, there were very few military commanders in country after Bagram was abandoned.

With everything else that has gone wrong would it be such a surprise if that info was somehow lost or misplaced?

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I have now directly responded to three other vets making the point to bring all terps to the US ASAP with minimal clearance.

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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Kind of hard to vette people without any documentation.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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But did that information make it out of the embassy to be easily accessible at the airport? That's the question here. Was the State Department taking care of business? Because the guys from DOD keep saying hell if they know about any of that.

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That would have been at the bases with the screening cells and damn well should be maintained as it is classified information. We're screwed if Hillary was ever there

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The bases are gone. And until just this week, there were very few military commanders in country after Bagram was abandoned.

With everything else that has gone wrong would it be such a surprise if that info was somehow lost or misplaced?

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I'm old school intel so it wouldn't on my watch....but like the old Ags say here about "new Army".....I sure hope there exists the professionalism there used to be. I mean hell, these aren't like maintenance files or a file drawer full of 1348s in a supply room.

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I have now directly responded to three other vets making the point to bring all terps to the US ASAP with minimal clearance.

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I am one of those Vets that feels that the Afghans that risked their lives helping us should be removed from Afghanistan for their safety and I know others have agreed, but I don't recall anyone calling for them to be allowed in with minimal clearance. My suggestion was a third party country while they are vetted or in the states in a controlled community with constant over watch while the background checks are fully investigated.

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Kind of hard to vette people without any documentation.

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What are you talking about. They go through CI screenings every 6 months (or did). At a minimum there is all the data collected on them from the screening cells. You would have the units they served under to interview commands etc.

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But did that information make it out of the embassy to be easily accessible at the airport? That's the question here. Was the State Department taking care of business? Because the guys from DOD keep saying hell if they know about any of that.

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Are you doubting that career government bureaucrats would not give 100% effort 100% of the time?

What evidence (beyond 100 or so years of history of the bureaucratic administrative state) do you have to support such a scurrilous accusation?!

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Just rewatched "12 Strong" to think back to the beginning. What a sad contrast this withdrawal is to how it all started. Text from the end of the movie:


Also, right towards the end, Dostum has a quote: "This is Afghanistan, graveyard of many empires. Today you are our friend tomorrow you are our enemy. Soon, America will become just another tribe here. You will be cowards if you leave, and you will be our enemy if you stay."

I realize it's a fictionalization version of the true events but damn if it doesn't hit different watching it in light of the last few weeks.

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I just watched and it is a great movie. The secrecy of this mission is typical of the US Army Special Forces. There is no fanfare and they quietly go back to duty or home. Oh, and I seriously doubt you will see any books, unlike the SEALS.

This thread just makes me mad all over again. One of the greatest geopolitical failures of the past half century and we brushed it off so damn quick, my mind is still spinning. I actually tried to look up the fate of those left behind a couple weeks ago and nothing. I could find no information. No one cares anymore. Not sure if anyone really ever did aside from those who had been there.

This whole event should have been a noose that drug down Biden and in a just world, it would have. The true power of the MSM relying on their greatest strength, attention span of the average American, was cemented for me. Maybe even more so than the election run up of '20.

We moved on as a nation and swept all of this under the rug and I am beyond positive that it was "encouraged" by both the government and the MSM.

Maddening.

Hard to believe its already almost been a year.